Open 221: unclean - Day 3

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Scumminess is often determined by context, Crazy. Especially at this point, there just isn't the range of information necessary to put actions in context. Noting things for future consideration is hardly an anti-town action.

[Crazy]

Well, things that I note for future consideration are things that I find scummy. That's why I pressured dRool about his post. His reactions I find scummier than his original use of the word "odd." What I particularly don't like is this quote, where he's disowning himself from anything:

I didn't even insist it was odd to begin with! I did not inquire, "does anyone else see this as odd?

[Migwelloni]

I think Crazy is unaware of the rules of the game, or he wouldn't have suggested an idea that is assured not to work on account of the Millers getting townie PMs, thus not knowing they're Millers and obviously being unable to claim.

Not only that; he asks from a town point of view so as to save a cop. It only makes sense to me that he would say that if he were scum, i.e. he gets investigated by the cop on Night 1, found guilty, but claimed Miller so would be guilty, but is infact scum.
Why would anyone discuss such a ridiculous idea so early into the game? A bizarre post to say the least.

VOTE: CRAZY

[Migwelloni]

~ I like playing as mafia better, but I want to enjoy being a townie more. So, I'm trying to play more.

Why did you put the word "want" in italics? Strange thing to do IMO.

[Crazy]

@Migwelloni

(Assume the Millers knew they were Millers, as I thought at first. Also assume I'm scum.)

If a cop investigated me and got "guilty,' then I'd claim miller.
If I claimed miller on Day 1, then the cop would never investigate me.

Your assertion is that I brought up the plan so I could claim Miller? I could just as easily claim miller after a cop got a guilty on me; that really wouldn't change anything. I'm not grasping your logic right now. If you don't explain well enough, I plan to vote for you.

[jmj3000]

Still out of town, V/LA until Tuesday

When I return there will be a catch-up post ASAP.

[Johnny Rotten]

Let's turn up the heat a bit.....

Vote Crazy

[Excedrin]

Vote Count

Migwelloni (1): Crazy
Johnny Rotten (1): smashbro_of_the_SSS
smashbro_of_the_SSS (1): Alduskkel
jmj3000 (1): MehPlusRawr
Crazy (3): Shattered Viewpoint, Migwelloni, Johnny Rotten

not voting: Albatross, jmj3000, DizzyIzzyB13, dRool89
alive: 11 majority: 6

[Albatross]

I would be very surprised if Crazy flipped scum.

I want to see a post from Shattered Viewpoint right now.

One of {Migwelloni, Johnny Rotten} is probably scum. Probably not both though.

[Crazy]

Let's turn up the heat a bit.....

Vote Crazy

Do you agree with Izzy's case or with Migwelloni's case?

Izzy's case is meaningless because I think it's clear my interest in weasel words comes from my own experience as scum, and obviously I'm not just making it up.

As for Migwelloni's case, I have no idea what he was getting at. If you do, I'd actually prefer you to explain it rather than him.

[Crazy]

I would be very surprised if Crazy flipped scum.

I want to see a post from Shattered Viewpoint right now.

One of {Migwelloni, Johnny Rotten} is probably scum. Probably not both though.

I'd agree with you, but your shameless buddying makes it harder for me to do so.

Have you played mafia somewhere else, or are you an alt or something?

[Shattered Viewpoint]

I want to see a post from Shattered Viewpoint right now.

The hell?

[Albatross]

Have you played mafia somewhere else, or are you an alt or something?

yea, I'm an alt.

The hell?

Hi.

[Shattered Viewpoint]

Are you gonna tell us who you are? (I know better asking, but on the off chance...)

[dRool89]

One of {Migwelloni, Johnny Rotten} is probably scum. Probably not both though.

Why? What do you think about:

Let's turn up the heat a bit.....

Vote Crazy

?


Also, Johnny have any reasons for this? You said a few things about the semantics we (Crazy and I) got into earlier but didn't mention anything about Crazy directly.

...Or was the vote really just to "turn the heat up"?

[Johnny Rotten]

...Or was the vote really just to "turn the heat up"?

Thats exactly what it was for. Wanted to see his reaction. Crazy was the only one with any sort of heat on him so far, and I was wondering what he would say/do with 3 votes on him.

Unfortunately, nothing good or telling happened.

Unvote

[Shattered Viewpoint]

...Or was the vote really just to "turn the heat up"?

Thats exactly what it was for. Wanted to see his reaction. Crazy was the only one with any sort of heat on him so far, and I was wondering what he would say/do with 3 votes on him.

Unfortunately, nothing good or telling happened.

Unvote

Yet. Maybe he's just being really careful. I honestly don't think he's town with all this Miller speculation and semantics-arguing.

My vote stays.

[Albatross]

...Or was the vote really just to "turn the heat up"?

Thats exactly what it was for. Wanted to see his reaction. Crazy was the only one with any sort of heat on him so far, and I was wondering what he would say/do with 3 votes on him.

Unfortunately, nothing good or telling happened.

Unvote

Boo. You should have waited at least another 12 hours. Now the tell I was looking for from Shattered has been tainted. >.<

In related news, Migwelloni is my first scum suspect. His vote on Crazy is super forced and comes after two other players have attacked him, the timing of which is indicative of scum wanting go with the flow. All aboard the Migwelloni train.

vote:Migwelloni

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[Albatross]

One of {Migwelloni, Johnny Rotten} is probably scum. Probably not both though.

Why? What do you think about:

Let's turn up the heat a bit.....

Vote Crazy

?

Because I saw a few attacks on Crazy, then a third party throws down a terribly reasoned vote while the first ones don't and THEN johnny joins the bandwagon he had supported. I think one of them is scum that smelt a wagon and wanted to get on early, but I don't think two scumbuddies would act so closely to one another.

Johnny had demonstrated that his vote was for reactions by not sticking with it, and I saw a minor town tell from him earlier, so that makes the decision very easy.

[Alduskkel]

Well said Dizzy

What a useless, buddying post. It looks like it's designed just to make Dizzy like him.

Vote: Johnny Rotten

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Crazy is wrong though, as noting odd things is a good idea for people who reread. Who knows what 2 or 3 Days of information can contextualize.

[Johnny Rotten]

Boo. You should have waited at least another 12 hours. Now the tell I was looking for from Shattered has been tainted. >.<

You know, I thought about that almost immediately after I posted. Sometimes my fingers work faster than my brain.

[Johnny Rotten]

Well said Dizzy

What a useless, buddying post. It looks like it's designed just to make Dizzy like him.

Vote: Johnny Rotten

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Crazy is wrong though, as noting odd things is a good idea for people who reread. Who knows what 2 or 3 Days of information can contextualize.

It seems useless when taken out of context like this. When read during the conversation, it makes a lot more sense.

We were discussing 'weasly words' and various dialects. Dizzy posted something that was far more concise than what I was able to produce, so I commended him on it, while still letting it be known that it was how I felt as well.

[Alduskkel]

Okay.

Unvote

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[Shattered Viewpoint]

Boo. You should have waited at least another 12 hours. Now the tell I was looking for from Shattered has been tainted. >.<

You know, I thought about that almost immediately after I posted. Sometimes my fingers work faster than my brain.

Clue a brother in?

[Johnny Rotten]

Basically, I put a vote on Crazy to pressure him and see how he reacted. When he didn't react right away, I got impatient and unvoted.

Albatross was saying that I should have left my pressure vote on a little bit longer, cause he wanted to see how YOU reacted to the situation. But, I went and fucked it all up.

Clued in brotha?