Mini 961: Insane Asylum II: GAME OVER :O!

[UncertainKitten]

The Twenty-Fourth "Asperger's Syndrome" Vote Count

"Asperger syndrome or Asperger's syndrome is an autism spectrum disorder, and people with it therefore show significant difficulties in social interaction, along with restricted and repetitive patterns of behavior and interests. It differs from other autism spectrum disorders by its relative preservation of linguistic and cognitive development. Although not required for diagnosis, physical clumsiness and atypical use of language are frequently reported"

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1. magnus_orion (0)
2. StrangerCoug (0)
3. SocioPath (3): farside22, Dramonic, StrangerCoug
4. farside22 (0)
7. Tarhalindur (0)
8. DrippingGoofball (0)
9. Haylen (1): Tarhalindur
10. Iecerint (3): DrippingGoofball, magnus_orion, SocioPath
11. Dramonic (0)


Not Voting (2): Haylen, Iecerint

Sociopath is at L-2!
Iecerint is at L-2!

Prod Clock (New): Off
Players still needing to respond to prod: No one

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline is in 8 days at 10:00 PM EST, Tuesday, June 8th, 2010

[DrippingGoofball]

Icerink is still ALIVE???

[Iecerint]

JUSTICE ALWAYS PREVAILS.

But I can't really blame people too much. I'm ambivalent about SP, too. That's why I don't wanna vote SP to let Haylen hammer, etc.

[SocioPath]

Hardly. The kind of inconsistencies I've made are towntells if anything, and the nature of my defense is not that which I would employ as scum.

Do not worry.
It has nothing to do with your "defense".

[Iecerint]

What does it "have to do" with?

[farside22]

Caughting up on what I missed. Tar are you still of the belief that one of the neighbors is scum? If so why?
DGB and Haylen what is your view on one of the neighbors being scum?

I feel like I'm missing something with the Iec case. I'm going to

unvote:

take time on Tuesday and reread a few things on the case and I want a respond to the question I asked above.
DGB: You still owe me a link to this meta you have on SP.

[Iecerint]

I was looking back a few things and saw something Glork mentioning that he reverse's the sanities of a player. So if a sane cop investigates him they would get insane results. If a sane doc targets him then a sane doc turns insane. Would that explain his kill? I see a scapel slash. That to me indicates doctor.
So if Glork indicates this possiblity why would a doctor target him during the night?

Dumb doctor. Or they didn't know/misjudged their sanity. Or there's an SK/scum player with doctor flavor.

[SocioPath]

What does it "have to do" with?

This:

*INTROSPECTION*

I would never ever present myself that way as scum. Ever.

*/INTROSPECTION*

This:

Tar, which of those SPs is an SC?

And This:

So, I'd vote SP, but I don't want to put him at L-1.

The context of the first shows lack of attention to detail, as does the second in a different regard; and the third is a terrible, terrible reason to ever not vote someone in a game, let alone one with twilights such as these.

Then there is the whole meta crap I won't even get into.

[Iecerint]

1. I don't know what you're even talking about in the first case
2. The second one SHOWS attention to detail. Tar claimed to have both a scum read and town read on you, but didn't list a read on SC. He made the same mistake I'd just made on the previous page.
3. I disagree. In this circumstance, there's no reason to vote you until I'm ready to lynch you.

[magnus_orion]

inecerint, I'm confused about why you think SP is scum. Your reasoning doesn't really make sense to me.

Haylen posting would be nice.

Dramonic, why are you confused about the sanity issue?

[Iecerint]

I have never played with townSP ever. He was SK to my mafia in OS and he was scum with me in Fables. There's also some ongoing stuff (where we have both flipped). His play in this game is not different from his play in those games IMO. On the other hand, I think I read through an old townSP game once, and he was pretty scummy-seeming to me in that one, too. So he's not a player I'm very confident about reading in general.

(Also want to see DGB's town meta on SP.)

In spite of that, DGB's listed VC is pretty persuasive with regard to one of us being scum, especially if SC is town. So ye know.

[magnus_orion]

Ok, new line of questioning.
Because you say this:

I am giving you an answer that is 100% honest. It is luckily not the same as the answer I would give you as scum.

I ask this:
what is the answer you would give me as scum? Explain why you wouldn't give the answer you gave, and why you would give the other answer instead, and why that other answer in particular.

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB: You still owe me a link to this meta you have on SP.

Check FableTown mini. Also, Mixology (which was abandoned) where he was scum and made exactly ZERO sensible statements the whole game.

Here SicioPath is making sense and being logical. That's how I'm so sure he's town.

Also, Icerink is behaving like caught scum giving up, which I interpret as him being caught scum giving up.

[Iecerint]

If I were scum, I would have invented a universe where there was maximal consistency with my prior play, and I would try to position myself as the logical party/voice of reason. I would also more aggressively position a specific player as The Bad Guy. For real-life examples of what I'm talking about, refer to D3/D4 of Fables or to D3 of Disgaea D3.

In Fables, a just-NK'd daycop's mason claimed a guilty result on me, and I responded by linking a bunch of connections on the part of the mason to deadscumfriendSP and fabricating/misreading inconsistencies in his claim. He was lynched. Then D4 I avoided certain suspicion by claiming that I was masons with my remaining scumfriend (DGB) and cherry-picking D1 exchanges between the two of us as breadcrumbs. NL D4 (I had been made voteless), no kill N4 (there was a busdriver alive), then we lynched the busdriver D5 to win.

In Disgaea, a Cop claimed a guilty result on me D3, and I used context (I had just let slip that I was not his rolename, e.g.) to make it seem like he was fakeclaiming. Then I argued that it made more sense to lynch UK (not the Cop), because fear of scumfriendUK's death was what led the Cop to fakeclaim something that would out him, etc. This one almost worked, but the last townie wanted to lynch the Cop proper and got suspicious that I didn't want to do so (he suspected Mafia Usurper shenanigans; I just didn't want my scumfriend to have to follow me to the other wagon), so he lynched me.

I could give other examples, but they are ongoing-where-I've-flipped.

Only other example is that I did have a little bit of a long wagon D1 in OS as scum, but it was because people thought I was scum with townVaya. Then I was NK'd by SPSK N2.

So, that's my self-analysis. As town, instead of trying to make up a Fairy Godfather to save me, I just reflected a little and answered honestly. The result isn't particularly compelling, but it accurately characterizes my feelings about SC.

[Iecerint]

Also, Icerink is behaving like caught scum giving up, which I interpret as him being caught scum giving up.

You know better than almost anyone that that is not how I (historically) respond to being "caughtscum."

[SocioPath]

GAH.

DGB: You still owe me a link to this meta you have on SP.

Check FableTown mini.

I WAS SCUM.

Also, Mixology (which was abandoned) where he was scum and made exactly ZERO sensible statements the whole game.

I WAS TOWN.
ALSO: ZERO SENSIBLE STATEMENTS?

1. I don't know what you're even talking about in the first case

State the context of your statement in the first case.

[SocioPath]

Here SicioPath is making sense and being logical. That's how I'm so sure he's town.

Logic != town. Ever.
DGB has shown that she doesn't understand me as a player, or my playstyle.
Especially given the examples above.

In fact her SPTOWN rhetoric looks like a guise to hide behind trying to actually understand the context of what I am saying, or to "get a read on me".
If she repeatedly calls me town than she doens't have to explain why as much as when calling someone scum.

HOW IS THAT FOR LOGIC.

I'm torn between DGB/Iec at this point.

Unvote
Vote: DGB

Although given their interactions, it looks like a win/win.

[DrippingGoofball]

I knew you were scum in Fables, how could I forget?

However, wires crossed for Mixology. Mever mind. Weren't you a scumpair with Fate? Did I get that wrong?

[SocioPath]

Weren't you a scumpair with Fate? Did I get that wrong?

No.
He was just being silly.
I claimed my role PM.

I had heavy suspicions on three people: Wolf, camn, tajo.
Wolf and camn were a scumpair.
tajo still has yet to post a role PM.

None of this is relevant.

[Iecerint]

The context of the first case was to point out that my feelings about SC were not the same as what I would give as scum. It's basically the same thing as my 713.

You could criticize it for being self-metaing (even if it's in no way subtle), I guess, but the "attention to detail" claim makes no sense at all, since it's a meta claim and not a claim based on analysis of this game per se.

[magnus_orion]

iecerint. Give me a specific other answer you would've given. Please. It would go towards verifying your claim that you would have answered differently, if you actually give the "different answer"

[Iecerint]

I hadn't thought about it for obvious reasons. Are you asking me to make something up? What would that prove? That I'm creative? Still --

Off the top of my head, I probably would have kept arguing strongly that SC was scum. SCum makes it more plausible that DGB's VC analysis is confounded by no one feeling it necessary to bus with so many alternate wagons. So it would make it possible for both SP and me to be town, so I'd have the possibility of swaying people who're weakly sold on DGB's VC dichotomy between us, but lean scumIec.

To do it, I'd read SC in iso and cherry-pick scum connections and scummy statements and connections, and I'd emphasize his reluctance to push UK on time stamps.

[Haylen]

Hi, yesh, the site has been pretty bad of late and when I've felt like posting it hasn't let me. Btw, I don't do anything at the weekends except modding, cause work makes me feel shitty and depressed.

DGB is town.

Farside, I think it is extremely likely that one of the neighbours could be scum. Just because there can't really be that many players in a neighbourhood and have them all be townies. Yes, I am aware that that is a type of gamblers falacity but *shrugs* It's what I think.

I had heavy suspicions on three people: Wolf, camn, tajo.

camn's in this game? awesomesausage!!! Hi camn <3

[Iecerint]

1. That has to be faked.
(2. Would not be a gambler's fallacy; would be math.)
3.

Unvote; Vote: Haylen

[Haylen]

lolwut?