Werewolf: Wisborg Asylum: GAME OVER, Innocents Win.

[ReaperCharlie]

wtf? crypto was innocent? ugh. at least he wasn't power, lol.

So Kise. How's it going.

HAHA


hmmmm.... yeah Kise... sup buddy?

[Kise]

I get the feeling [at least] one of you are scum taunting me.

The semi-flavored scene I got yesterday said I was overhearing men in lab coats; crypto supposedly left his mark on Chronopie. However, that scene/ability/mechanic has nothing to do with my role. I mentioned that I'd be able to get more results because I was hoping to draw a scum roleblock (if present & possible). When I said crypto's DNA was on Chrono, that was more so feigning a forensic/coroner role (half-gambit, yes). And as for what my role is, is that important right now?

I've been thinking all weekend about what the hell happened here. Either I got punked, or.. fuck knows. I could speculate, but there's no point with this little information. Would anyone guess that multiple factions = bastard game? My role PM doesn't suggest anything deceiving, nor does it suggest I'm a crazy member of the asylum who may imagine things.

I'm looking at MME, SV & Reaper today. BBS with quotes.

[Deer]

So guys can you help me understand something?

N1: Two NKs (not counting ani)

N2: 0 NKs, but two poisonings

N3: 1 NK

So can the separate scumfactions (I assume werewolf/vampire) either choose to kill someone in the night or poison someone during the day? Does that mean we're getting a poisoning today?

And about Kise, I think I kind of believe him for now. I get the feeling he's somewhat honest. It seems way too ballsy to throw something like that out as scum knowing it'll lead to a townie lynch, but then again, he could be running some sort of crazy scam and I'm just getting played like a fiddle.

[don_johnson]

howsabout

vote:kise

soundsaboutsrighteh?

[Kise]

@Deer: I'm the one who got played like a fiddle. I'm hopehopehoping that crypto is (in the words of Antifinity) a Death Godfather and we are told during fallout that he was really mafia.[/joke... but no srly wat da fck]

@d_j: I expected to be today's (limited) subject...

i think he's claiming "bisexual".

what the hell is going on? was that a gambit?

Why did you think I was gambiting?

Vote: cyrpto

happy scumday, Kise!

So if the wolves killed Nightson, then that should mean the vamps killed Chrono. Merk, being one of those who killed Chrono, should have known it was he who ate Chrono and not crypto... Sounds far fetched but I'm wondering if the lab men were really vampires in disguise. With Merk wanting to quicklynch crypto, I could see openings for the next day where he helps put me under fire. This of course assumes that Merk and the vampires had anything to do with me overhearing the lab men.

So, things that need to happen in the near future:

3.) Kise coming in and saying what the hell is going on for 100% sure (cryptos response is town as hell soo).

I'm not going after crypto because I still think crypto is town. Although since Kise has cleared up his business its looking like a 1-1 there but even then I'd still lean towards Kise hard first if it has to be tested.

Those dreams,

guaranteed

, are not all true. Especially since, if somehow my dream was true, there would be some kind of corresponding dream similar for the next night. Which there isn't. Its just ohh hay there's three cop-dreams and then some kinda bizarro dream but sure they all work.

It's something to think about when Spy expresses an absolute belief that crypto is town. I think he's expressing he knew crypto was town in order to look good after the mislynch flip, if his team is responsible for my confusion. Seeing crypto flip only shows that Spy's guarantee was correct. I'm questioning why he keeps assuming/assuring that not all of the mechanics are true.

vote: SpyreX

for being anti town.

This was May 22nd, Day 2.

as much as i hate the alliance spyrex has been pretty good this game.

vote:deer

May 26th, the beginning of Day 2. I'm labeling raj as a possible werewolf recruiter to pull a switcheroo like that.

Raj - (4) don_johnson, Dry-fit, Lowell, ReaperCharlie

Deer - (3) SpyreX, crypto, Raj

Crypto - (3) Kise, xRx, easjo
SpyreX - (1) Deer

Unvote; Vote: Spyrex

Wham, bam, thank you ma'am.

The Alliance is dead, long live the New Alliance!

crypto

Deer
Shattered Viewpoint
inHimshallIbe
Dry-fit
don_johnson

and since the vamp's killed spyre, that could very well mean that crypto is vampscum.

unvote, vote: crypto

I know someone reminded you that crypto may be scum and you later rejected him from your alliance, but, additionally, what makes you say that the poisoner is vampire? Whoever it is has poisoned Merk and Spyrex, so unless they were being an asshole, I'd say the poisoner isn't wolf nor bloodsucker. Third party? Maybe. I could buy a town poisoner if the flavor fits.

Spyrex has a dream that SV is innocent, then the Wizard is reported to be a wolf recruit. MME is doing his best to attack the wagon, earlier saying scum hopped on due to the speed. SV voices agreement with Spy dying, but doesn't place a vote.

I'd say those are three wolfmen right there.

Still considering this. MME, you desperately attempted to derail Spy's wagon yesterday; I saw 3 counts of this on a single page. Help me/us understand why the order we lynched crypto or Spyrex mattered so much to you?

Uhhh... well, ok. This proves the Night 1 dreams were all true.

Anyways, this is a suggestion for a new alliance:

- Deer
- ReaperCharlie
- Sucrose
- Kise
- don_johnson
- InHimIshallBe
- Reckoner
- Shattered Viewpoint

I call it "The let's bus spyrex alliance", tlbsa for short. Notable members include Sucrose, Kise and Reckoner.

Right. I bussed Spyrex, says the guy who defended him.

[Kise]

Mod: prods on Jackalope & lukedukepuke please

[don_johnson]

kise: when someone asks "was that a gambit?", they are not implying that they think it was a gambit, they are simply asking "was that a gambit?" make sense?

[Kise]

vote: SpyreX

for being anti town.

This was May 22nd, Day 2.

as much as i hate the alliance spyrex has been pretty good this game.

vote:deer

May 26th, the beginning of Day

3

.

Amended.

d_j, let me ask this another way... what inspired you to ask me that question?

[Knight of Cydonia]

STILL searching for a replacement for JackALope.
Prodding luke.

[don_johnson]

d_j, let me ask this another way... what inspired you to ask me that question?

because i had a dream that seemed in line with spyrex. your "report", for lack of a better word, was kind of out there and you were a bit cryptic about whether or not it was a power or something akin to the dreams. by asking you if it was a gambit, i was offering you a chance to explain yourself if it was. imo, you were either proffering actual investigation results, or you were gambiting for reactions. i just wanted to know.

[Sucrose]

I dreamed that Dry-fit is an innocent last night.

Kise's ability seems horribly complicated, but I guess I understand why he dodged my question yesterday about how sure he was of his results.
Kise, I take it your "men in lab coats" thing was a random event, and you don't have any investigation results? Because I'm going to be really suspicious of anyone who decides to reveal relevant information in the middle of the day.

[Sucrose]

I don't know why anyone would choose Dry-fit to investigate. Makes me wonder if the dreams are also random events. The "Spy has been turned into a werewolf" dream also doesn't seem like it could possibly be a targeted ability.

[Kise]

Now that you mention it, with what's gone down... I'd put money on the dreams/scenes being randomly generated and not enabled by one of you players. I wouldn't even question Dry-Fit at the moment due to him handing us Spyrex. Maybe down the line just to be sure, but not immediately.

imo

, you were either proffering actual investigation results, or

you were gambiting for reactions

. i just wanted to know.

Yet you just said:

kise: when someone asks "was that a gambit?",

they are not implying that they think it was a gambit

, they are simply asking "was that a gambit?" make sense?

1134 would have been a fine answer. Now, saying two different points of logic makes it all useless, however. 1131 gives the impression that you randomly shot out the idea I was gambiting, when 1134 gives the impression you had existing belief I was gambiting. You can't have your cake and eat it. That's how you get fat.

[rajrhcpfreak]

vote: Dry-fit

i have a huge hunch on this. inhim, you should join me if you are town.

@kise,
coiendence, i really did think that he was playing much better later on that day.

@everyone else
sorry about disapearing late yesterday. but i made it clear i was coming back soon the next day. you all are too impatient.

[ReaperCharlie]

Now that you mention it, with what's gone down... I'd put money on the dreams/scenes being randomly generated and not enabled by one of you players.

I disagree. I think players are specifically being guided by other players, which is why I think paying attention to the dreams is a good idea. Your so-called 'results' on crypto were not a dream, every other ACTUAL dream we've had has been 100% accurate.

These are basically cop results. Are you saying that you would not vote to lynch someone with a guilty result? Do you think they are random correct results, or random RANDOM results?

vote: Dry-fit

i have a huge hunch on this. inhim, you should join me if you are town.

You just voted on someone who is confirmed town by dream results, who gave up SpyreXscum to us in a dream. Any particular reason why you feel this is a necessary vote, other than your 'hunch'?

Nobody hunts down my alliance members.

Vote: raj

[My Milked Eek]

ffs, you're still going with that alliance of yours?

Vote: Reapercharlie

[Kise]

Are you saying that you would not vote to lynch someone with a guilty result? Do you think they are random correct results, or random RANDOM results?

In the words of crypto himself, it's possible that there will be some results that are merely here to muddy the truth. It may still be too early to determine whether these are random correct results (which appears to be the case at the moment in regards to dreams) or random random results.

[My Milked Eek]

Still considering this. MME, you desperately attempted to derail Spy's wagon yesterday; I saw 3 counts of this on a single page. Help me/us understand why the order we lynched crypto or Spyrex mattered so much to you?

Right. I bussed Spyrex, says the guy who defended him.

I didn't care for the subjects of either wagon or the order they were lynched in, I cared more for the cause (dreams/your claim) of them being lynch candidates and the order of resolving those causes. I thought you said it was your role, or at least I so interpreted it, so I figured it was better to pursue your claim first as it was more tangible than dreams.

So, Dry-fit came up as innocent on Sucrose's dream? I agree that some of the targets of these dreams are not making any sense.

Raj, does your hunch have anything to do with spyrex' flip yesterday?

[Deer]

I also have a feeling the dreams are somewhat random, at least w/r/t the targets. But, they've been remarkably accurate. I'm not counting Kise's scene, but the dreams about SpyreX, ani, and myself were all true. I assume the others are too.

[ReaperCharlie]

In the words of crypto himself, it's possible that there will be some results that are merely here to muddy the truth. It may still be too early to determine whether these are random correct results (which appears to be the case at the moment in regards to dreams) or random random results.

But aside from your non-dream, which doesn't count, we've had two confirmed truths. I speculated a lot yesterday about whether the dreamers could be turned, or could give wrong results on purpose. I'm still not convinced of anything but I think the results speak for themselves in terms of dream accuracy so far.

I al

s

o ha

v

e something I'm waiting on before I start pushing a raj lynch, but MME is getting under my skin too. But since I agree with a lot of what he said yesterday and I think it's just a personality clash, I can't really see myself voting for him.

Strikingly, for now I believe that you're not scum, Kise. Find me a werewolf or vampire though and I'll be happier. Your results yesterday were not exactly correct.

@ Deer: The results on you are not confirmed yet. Shut up.

Not to mention, I wanna know why SpyreX was trying so hard to take you down with him yesterday. Maybe it was because he believed you were a vamp? Maybe because he thought (or knew, somehow) that you were a town PR?

I more strongly suspect that he knew or believed that you were a (the final?) vampire, which would definitely explain his push. The 'ooh I think he's scum, he itches me, oh noooo' could have definitely been a ruse.

Still wanna hear more from:
inHim
d_j
lowell
zazie
jack (or replacement)
goat
reck

Thanks. Day is here fellas. Get it started.

[don_johnson]

1134 would have been a fine answer. Now, saying two different points of logic makes it all useless, however. 1131 gives the impression that you randomly shot out the idea I was gambiting, when 1134 gives the impression you had existing belief I was gambiting. You can't have your cake and eat it. That's how you get fat.

you are silly. when you bold the parts of a sentence that support your statement and don't bold the parts that clearly support my side, you are going to get what you want. the fact that i thought your report "may" have been a gambit, does not i mean i thought it "was" a gambit. exploring the possibility of something, does not translate into concrete belief.

[don_johnson]

oh.

unvote, vote: raj

alliance = voting block. i don't have a case here, but i'll iso on this soon. either way, the alliance is powerless without action.

[ReaperCharlie]

Actions So Far

Dreams, nightkills, daykills, flips, etc.

Day 1

dramonic (

creature

) lynched

Night 1

NK: Chronopie (

?

) slaughtered in tunnels
NK: Nightson (

?

) slaughtered in tunnels
NKFL: animorpherv1 (

lunatic

) dismembers Fate (

innocent

)

DR: Dry-fit (?) dreams of SpyreX being recruited by werewolves (

confirmed

)
DR: xReckonerx (?) dreams that animorpherv1 is a Lunatic (

confirmed

)

Day 2

LYFL: animorpher (

lunatic

) lynched

Night 2

Note: no night kills take place

FL: Chronopie flips

innocent

FL: Nightson flips

vampire

DR: SpyreX (

werewolf

) dreams that Shattered Viewpoint is innocent (

unconfirmed

)
DR: don_johnson (?) dreams that Deer is innocent (

unconfirmed

)

OTH: Kise (

?

) gets results of crypto's DNA on Chronopie's (dead) body

Day 3

DKFL: Merkabah (

vampire

) poisoned and killed
DKFL: SpyreX (

werewolf

) poisoned and killed
LYFL: crypto (

innocent

) lynched due to kise's results

Night 3

NK?: easjo682 (

?

) slaughtered in tunnels

DR: Sucrose dreams that Dry-fit is innocent (

unconfirmed

)

If that's incomplete, someone let me know.
Dam#, wish we had more results about

guilty

people.

[inHimshallibe]

DR: Dry-fit (?) dreams of SpyreX being recruited by werewolves (confirmed)

This isn't entirely true.

We have no evidence SpyreX wasn't already a werewolf.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Nachomamma8 replaces JackALope2323, effective immediately.

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