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Post Post #1650 (ISO) » Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:51 am

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So that these don't get lost... Opinions please all.
Chronopie wrote:
Possibly Lich


3. JPSalazar (Galuf Baldesian [commuter: Earth element])
16. bill1148 (Regent Cid from FF9 [vanilla])
19. AdumbroDeus (Ingus from FF3 [vanilla])
21. Midnight's Sorrow (Rikken from FF12 [vanilla])

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Not Lich


8. Glork (Rosa from FF4 [doctor])
10. Chronopie (Leviathan [Vig: Water element])
11. Antifinity (Fiona from Crystal Chronicals [vanilla])
13. thatguy00 (Ceodore Harvey from FF4: After Years [doctor])
17. dramonic (Ramuh [Lightning element])
NB: Antifinity makes the Not Lich list because he claimed RB'd on a day when we had doom.
Chronopie wrote:Looking back through Bill's Iso, I found some more scumslips. 20:20 hindsight is epic.
Personally, I believe that the Blind & Anon. Vote are from the same player and the same ability.
This proved to be MPR, blinder/vote thief.
but if there exists a "double-voter," and if Blind and Anon. Vote are two separate abilities used by two different players, do you know how small the probability is that the same player was targeted by two different players in the same Night Phase?
Translation: "I know something you don't."
The other likely mafia to Marilith's team are:

Lich- (Doom?)
Kraken- (Blind?)
Tiamat- (???)
Oh look, Lich = Doom. lol. inside knowledge scumslip. (Tiamat was goon).
Except it was guaranteed to work D1 and D2 if used. The minimum required votes to kill someone D1 was, what, 12? The minimum required votes to kill someone D2 was 10. In both situations, it would not have mattered whether we just FOS' or not. The player with Doom would die regardless if we intended to lynch anyone.
I know how doom works!!11!!
"Doom" (Starbuck & Devo) is HIGHLY UNLIKELY to be a Vig or SK. Because a) it was used on two of the more pro-town players here. and b) if it were an SK ability, it would greatly limit his ability to kill.
I know doom is a Mafia ability.
To sum it up, I theorize this:

Electrocution is a SK
Drowned/Reduced to Nothing + Doom is Mafia

OR

Electrocution + Doom is Mafia

Drowned/Reduced to Nothing is a SK

OR

Electrocution (and maybe Doom) is one Mafia
Drowned/Reduced to Nothing (and maybe Doom)is a second Mafia
Bold emphasis mine. Tiamat + Lich.
Kdub (Tiamat) wrote:I was targeted by the brown cloaked music man last night.
Duly noted.
Doom- either Lich, one of the four mentioned below, or a Vig/SK (doubtful).
Translation: I know Doom = Lich. before it became common knowledge.
Interesting that no one was doomed last night. I'm going to assume that our Doomer decided it is pointless to use the ability any longer, since it only gives away other player's factions. Which means Doom is defintely not a Vig or SK.
My Doom has been rendered ineffective, so I've stopped submitting it.
a) There is no guarantee that Lich exists; it's still possible that there are two scum groups of 3, which would mean one scum group has already been eliminated.
After saying that Lich exists, all of a sudden it's "nope Lich never existed *Whistle nonchalantly**"
Lich being the only enemy left is impossible.
Why?
Umm...no, I'm not Lich.
Lich would say that. He can't be protected, bc that kills Lich, and as such, would die the very same night.
And JP is probably lying. He claimed Earth elemental in the same post he claimed Galuf: Commuter (Post 1443). Then he said he had no strengths or weaknesses (Post 1534). If thats true, WHY HAVE AN ELEMENT.
"I am earth element, but I claimed vanilla, cos I'd die otherwise. But I know you're lying"

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tl;dr Bill knew about Doom specifics earlier than the rest of us, but knows that He can't claim Lich, as that will see him either a)Swinging, or b) Swimming (Failing at swimming)
We can add to this some of the posts from the last couple of pages. but all in all, it's alot of Lich crumbs.
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Post Post #1651 (ISO) » Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:54 am

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Glork wrote:Another thing, Chrono: How do you know that Dram isn't the "non-mafia elemental player" in the game?

I find it awfully funny that you're saying "there can't be another scumgroup because that would put all of the elements into scumgroups" while
automatically concluding that Dram is scum if there are two scumgroups
.



Slip-up ftw.
Dram claimed Ramuh, Lightning.

Given the number of elemental claims (3), that would put Dram in the remaining scumgroup, along with a fakeclaiming townie.

Or do you think we have Ramuh-Lightning + Lich + 4 elemental scum?

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Post Post #1652 (ISO) » Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:56 am

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My point is that Dram might
NOT BE FAKE-CLAIMING
and there might be
TWO NON-ELEMENTAL TOWNIES WHO ARE LYING SCUMBAGS
.


Yet you automatically conclude that Dram must be in a "second hypothetical scumgroup," which is definitely a slip-up. Way to drag your scumbuddy down with you, Chrono.



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Post Post #1653 (ISO) » Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:24 am

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Glork wrote:Also, it's pretty obvious that the scumgroup is {Chrono, JP, Dumbro, Dram} given the triplegangbang on Bill, even though I've pointed out a billion times over that if Bill is Lich, he
SHOULD NOT BE LYNCHED TODAY
.


Protip, guys: Tunnel-visioning on outing the last scum in the mostly-dead scumgroup isn't good town play. The ONLY town play today is to lynch someone from the FULL scumgroup.




So I have three questions that I demand Chrono, Dram, and Dumbro each answer in each of their next posts:
1) WHY HAVEN'T YOU BOTHERED TO LOOK FOR SCUM OUTSIDE OF BILL, ESPECIALLY IF YOU THINK BILL IS LICH?
2) WHICH FOUR PLAYERS DO YOU THINK ARE IN THE SECOND SCUMGROUP, AND WHY?
3) WHO DO YOU WANT TO LYNCH TODAY, AND WHY?

WTF?!


I already said that Chrono should be lynched tonight.

For fuck's sake I was leading the charge to get him lynched.




I think it's pretty obvious who the second scum group is after Chrono's impassioned defense that the second mafia could not be elemental, which I SAID BEFORE.



If Chrono flips scum (as in, 4 FF4 fiends), then dram and JP are the obvious choices, especially considering that dram's been on my radar throughout the game for his passivity.



The point is, at this point, Bill is positively identified as first scumgroup, I NEVER SUGGESTED he needs to be lynched toDay, in fact just the opposite. Just so we know so he doesn't screw us later.


Tunneling at it's best Glork.
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Post Post #1654 (ISO) » Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:32 am

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Now that I'm finished repeating stuff that I said like 50 times before...


@Glork
, why did you ignore my previous statements on the other scumgroup/who we should lynch toDay?

Especially who we should lynch toDay, considering I was the person who suggested it first, and my questioning of bill revolved primarily around why he wasn't pushing to lynch chrono since Chrono was the obvious safest lynch choice. How could you ignore that seriously?
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Post Post #1655 (ISO) » Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:59 am

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Glork wrote: Thatguy, Antifinity, Midnight (and Bill): Do you agree with my assessment of the second scumgroup?

If not, who do you think is in the second scumgroup?

If so, do you think it might be worthwhile to try and lynch the Mafia2 Roleblocker instead of Chrono today?
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Post Post #1656 (ISO) » Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:03 am

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AdumbroDeus wrote:Now that I'm finished repeating stuff that I said like 50 times before...


@Glork
, why did you ignore my previous statements on the other scumgroup/who we should lynch toDay?

Especially who we should lynch toDay, considering I was the person who suggested it first, and my questioning of bill revolved primarily around why he wasn't pushing to lynch chrono since Chrono was the obvious safest lynch choice. How could you ignore that seriously?
No, you're right, I am completely consumed by the fact that Chrono is trying to autowin today by pushing bullshit lynches.

The triple combined pressure on Bill the last page looked like you were hoping someone would ride the wave onto voting him, so the groupoffour could off him.



Midnight: Do you think that there are more than one remaining scum in the Orange Scumgroup, then? I still refuse to believe that Lich does both Doom
and
roleblocking, so there is definitely at least one other scum.

And one scumgroup still doesn't explain the "Reduced to Nothingess" kill on ABR N1.
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Post Post #1657 (ISO) » Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:07 am

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I have never said that there wasn't more then one scum left. I keep saying that there probably isn't more then one 'mafiosi' left. I think its A mafiosi and SK(or Third Party) that we are dealing with here.
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Post Post #1658 (ISO) » Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:09 am

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@Glork: what would be a potential kill flavour for someone who can cast doom?

and if said scum can kill
and
use their ability at the same time...

and if said group was given 2 kill options every night... (assuming doom to be a delayed kill)
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Post Post #1659 (ISO) » Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:56 am

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Glork wrote:Also, it's pretty obvious that the scumgroup is {Chrono, JP, Dumbro, Dram} given the triplegangbang on Bill, even though I've pointed out a billion times over that if Bill is Lich, he
SHOULD NOT BE LYNCHED TODAY
.
Erm, Glork?
I said I was intent on voting Chrono, just waiting for you and Anti to get your stuff together.
The fact I'm pointing out that Bill is obv-lynch doesn't mean I wanna lich him.
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Post Post #1660 (ISO) » Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:57 am

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erm...
obv-lich, lynch him.
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Post Post #1661 (ISO) » Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:34 am

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Glork wrote:
AdumbroDeus wrote:Now that I'm finished repeating stuff that I said like 50 times before...


@Glork
, why did you ignore my previous statements on the other scumgroup/who we should lynch toDay?

Especially who we should lynch toDay, considering I was the person who suggested it first, and my questioning of bill revolved primarily around why he wasn't pushing to lynch chrono since Chrono was the obvious safest lynch choice. How could you ignore that seriously?
No, you're right, I am completely consumed by the fact that Chrono is trying to autowin today by pushing bullshit lynches.

The triple combined pressure on Bill the last page looked like you were hoping someone would ride the wave onto voting him, so the groupoffour could off him.



Who was the third though, JP was riding him earlier, and chrono to a degree, but it was just me pressuring him that page, dram just jumped on at the last moment (scum buddying?).


I don't think anyone's stupid enough to toss a vote in, Chrono's been scummy enough now that anyone following the game knows it's lylo.

Regardless, I'm looking to encourage cross kills, and now that he's obvious lich, he's become the number 1 target for the opposing scum group since he's the most dangerous player that they can kill with any reliability.

dramonic wrote:erm...
obv-lich, lynch him.
Heh? Didn't you say the opposite last post?
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Post Post #1662 (ISO) » Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:43 am

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Also, I'm gonna say it again, if Chrono flips Cagnazzo, we have two identified elemental fiends from FF4 Scarmiglione (because of the cursed song), and as I said before, reduced to nothing fits Barbarriccia's flavor.


Therefore, if so, I'd suggest killing all identified elementals immediately (not like they haven't been scummy). But we're still missing rubricant.



If people agree with me on this point, I have an idea on how we might utilize this to our advantage.
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Post Post #1663 (ISO) » Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:49 am

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AdumbroDeus wrote:
dramonic wrote:erm...
obv-lich, lynch him.
Heh? Didn't you say the opposite last post?
I mismatched lynch and lich in the last post.
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Post Post #1664 (ISO) » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:11 pm

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So I see logic has gone right out the window. AD wants to kill off the commuter, vig et al.

Glork is much the same. Dram's been suckered in to it. Bill's pushing for my Lynch because I'm pushing for his.

With Dram voting me, that's your Lynch majority right there. So it's moar super secret info time.

...

...

Wait for it.

...

I know that there is no second scum group, 'cos I'm SK, not vig. 2 mafia teams + SK is overpowered against the town. I am still Leviathan. According to my role, which is based on FF IV: after years, I am unlynchable.

Thus my gambit for Lynch bill, and I'll take it tomorrow.8:1:1 => 8:1 => 7:1 => 7:1 etc. Basically, when Lich dies, as the last scum, as there were no
actual
vig claims (Which is what I was trying to draw out), I win. Eat that suckers.
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Post Post #1665 (ISO) » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:16 pm

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Seeing as I'm 8/9th convinced that Bill is Lich, thus cannot be protected, I am officially waving my dick around in victory. (To borrow from PoA)
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Post Post #1666 (ISO) » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:18 pm

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^That should read 7/8ths. Still laughing at you (town) though.
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Post Post #1667 (ISO) » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:20 pm

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Ok... so why would you reveal that?


Let's lynch him to be sure.
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Post Post #1668 (ISO) » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:21 pm

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Wait. F&%K. gg town. premature celebration is premature. Well Lich, Mexican stand-off. 2 men (or at least elementals) enter, neither leaves alive.
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Post Post #1669 (ISO) » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:24 pm

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Why did I reveal unlynchability? to wave my dick in victory at the town, have a good ole laugh, and watch you all mill around aimlessly, while you either a) Do my job for me, or b) lynch a vanilla, hoping for scum, or c) test me, or d) Give up and vote No lynch. idc anyway. I'm screwed, Mexican Stand-Off style.
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Post Post #1670 (ISO) » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:32 pm

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One way or another, lets end this Façade.
Unvote, Vote: Bill
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Post Post #1671 (ISO) » Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:14 pm

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I'm so lost...
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Post Post #1672 (ISO) » Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:22 pm

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No owl, you are moar lost. Vote Bill so I can win.
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Post Post #1673 (ISO) » Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:38 pm

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DON'T LYNCH HIM YET!


I wanna see what the rest of town thinks of my analysis of the remaining scum if he flips Carn.



Chrono, that doesn't make sense, we're still missing an anti-town roleblocker. I think you're lying, but to what end? We have no reason not to lynch you to test it out.

Is this the "cute kitten defense" 2.0? Why's this game a magnet for stupid defenses?
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Post Post #1674 (ISO) » Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:44 pm

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Roleblocker can't stop me being unlynchable. But having two scum teams + SK is even worse for the town, I doubt that it's that unbalanced.

Lynch Bill. I want this over with.
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