Mini 234: Astuto-Umore (Finished!)

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OMGUS vote: Mr Stoofer

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Why is the first vote of a game always on me?

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As far as I'm concerned, let's just say since rite isn't around, I'm doing the shameless bandwagonning while trying to change the current style of play, somewhat.

Why pick me? And DON'T say you like the sound of my name.

*considering if he should change his name*


Seriously,

unvote: Stoofer

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vote: CA

. More a feeling, but his last post seems to me like scum trying to add something trivial to the discussion: "Safe to say he's not a vigilante." And I also don't think he is a cop, doc, tracker, etc. Why would you say he isn't a vig?

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Could you tell what you don't like about my post, Phoebus?

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Aaah...

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Oh it was a joke. Hmm... I took it seriously.

About my current scum-cathcing-tactics: I'm trying to catch scum on the first day by looking at small things/slip-ups in their posts. That's why I voted for CA. But I misinterpreted his post, I thought he was saying that Coron wasn't a vigilante.

In fact he was speculating on the murderer itself. I think I'm keeping my vote on him.

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About my current scum-cathcing-tactics: I'm trying to catch scum on the first day by looking at small things/slip-ups in their posts.

Current? You mean you just started this "tactic"? What was your previous method? That's been my general approach since I've started playing. Haven't been successful... yet.. but what else are you going to do?

Can't remember what my first tactics were. But in one game I used the IS-method (didn't work) and I guess I was in my shameless bandwagonner-period (didn't work either) and then I just did 'stuff' on Day 1 (didn't work at all). But this is going off-topic.


CA, people just think you're comments on the nightkill are 'off'. Some mafiosi tend to post these kind of posts when they have nothing else to say but still want to contribute in fear of being accused of not adding to the discussion. I think.

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It wouldn't really surprise me if Phoebus was scum. Neither if he wasn't. And Fritzler's evidence is rather shaky.

*waiting for Phoebus*

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I think yesterday was just luck.

Luck? LUCK?! It were my genius scumfinding skills that got us a mafia!

*sigh*

the ignorance...

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Fritzler said last night Polarboy and Phoebus were the only ones crossing the bridge. Last night we had one kill which to me implies strongly that there was a succesful protection done last night. Thus if the doc really crossed the bridge, I think he is either of those two and we know their crossings from night one already, right?

Are you actually implying that Phoebus is a doc because we had only one kill (just like the first night) and he crossed the bridge.

What kind of useless crap logic is that?

Because of the same kind of reasoning I voted for CA yesterday:

vote: olio

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unvote: olio

. Sorry about that.

FoS: Mr Stoofer

. I'm suspicious of him for a while for his posts on Day 1 and now hopping on the bandwagon like that today.

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True Stoofer. I apologize.

*needs to focus more*

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One question to Fritzler: Did I cross the bridge on Night 1?


I don't know, but wouldn't it be a good idea to post our locations? I don't think the ultimate powerroles are situated in one part of the city. So, I don't think it would give much away to the mafia.

I think that Fritzler is going to be able to figure out some more when he knows all the players' locations.

BTW: Does everyone agree that when a player targets a player on the other side he has to cross the bridge?

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I don't know, but wouldn't it be a good idea to post our locations?

No. Did you read my last post?

If the mafia knows where all the townie's locations are, then, assuming the mafia has members in both towns, they'd be able to kill whoever they wanted every night without ever having a scum cross the bridge by just sending the scum who's already in that town to do that kill, which would reduce the value of Fritzer's information role to almost zero.

Yeah, I did read your post. I asumed that all the mafia are in one town and if no-one would cross the bridge at night, we then would know in which town the mafia would live. But as you rightly posted, scum can live in both towns.

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I'm with Yosarian on this one.

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Because I am trying to build a case against you, Stoofer. I don't trust you. I'll try to explain.

1. He was not on the CA-bandwagon. It was a typical bandwagon which wasn't sure if it could get CA lynched. Maybe Stoofer had hope that it wouldn't end up in lynching CA and didn't want to add momentum to it.

2. His aggressive voting for olio:

3. Olio has only posted once and did little except associate himself with the growing CA bandwagon, without giving reasons. I think the CA bandwagon is weak and so I find this sort of behaviour suspicious. Vote Olio

It seems that olio was right in associating him with the CA bandwagon.

Also, he Mr S displays strange logic why we should lynch olio. Maybe he doesn't want to find any other likelier candidates? If he is so concerned with the town in trying to find scum, why doesn't find someone else?

3.

I think you are dead Commodore. If there is anything you can say that will help the town please say it. If you are scum, please die like the dog that you are.

Isn't this a bit over the top? It seems he explicitly states he doesn't know CA's role and wants to distance himself from him.

4. Being on the draygn_mage bandwagon. I myself am guilty of not trying to stop it.

5. Gut-feeling. Yeah, that's right!


Things that speak in favor of Mr Stoofer: Saying over and over that CA isn't scummy on Day 1. It could be very well that from experience, that you won't get lynched by overly defending scum. On the contrary. I guess I

vote: Stoofer

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I meant by that sentence that newbies might think you should not be defensive of/on? your scum-mates. You will get lynched for that.

But maybe Stoofer knows from experience this might not always be true or he thinks that because of this assumption he won't get lynched ('cause wouldn't defend their mates).

And maybe I shouldn't be so overanalyzing and I should shut up.


Also, I'd like to say that if Stoofer isn't scum I'm going to look extra hard at olio and coolbot tomorrow.

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And all the eyes are on olio. Can you think of any reason why you would order spaghetti?

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unvote: Stoofer

for now.

While we wait for olio, something about our killers.

Night 1: victim was shot and cut in half.
Night 2: victim was cut in half.
Night 3: victim's only left hand remains.

I guess the cut in half and hand are the same killer. Where did the shooter go?

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I know where the killer of Fishbulb lives. Is there anyone who can do something with this information?

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As I think about stoofer's claim it reeks to crap.

Night 1 he says he researches Fritzler, he doesn't come in his restaurant. How convenient that he investigates that player who claimed his role. And why would he get info the óther night? I got mine the same night. And why would you want to search Phoebus?

FoS: Mr Stoofer

, his claim doesn't feel right. But we need a bit more input from other players.

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*is a tad confused*

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sorry for this double post.

As Phoebus has said, we're in Italy why would one who orders spaghetti be scum?

Then again, claiming a vig who killed someone Night 1 for a very dumb reason is as scummy as it can be. He could be an SK.

But what if we lynch olio and he is the SK, let's say. We do we know about Mr Stoofer's claim then. Nothing. Even if olio turns out to be a vigilante. We still don't know anything about Stoofer's claim. So,

FoS: Coolbot

for saying we do.

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I'm very curious.

(shameless bump)

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It's safe to say we don't have any mafiosi left.

Guesses:

Fishing knife is a (prob) vigilante(?). The mising hand is from the mafiosi whose members all had a different way of killing. And the bullets are from the SK(?).

So, who is the vigilante? Could it be Yosarian, the policeman? But would a policeman kill with a fishing knife? Or are the bullets a vigkill?

I shall claim:

I am

Guillermo Cuorotto

. I wanted to marry Fabia, but her father didn't let me. I was to look for Fabia and if I found her I was able to talk to her at night. More I wasn't told. So, I kinda lynched my true love. But she was mafia anyway, so scr*w her!

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So, we wait for Phoebus now. And Fritzler isn't now the right time to come out with all your investigations?

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I want to see if they match up with what phoebus claims before I do that. (I assume you're ok with that?)

Sure man.

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Kerplunk's contribution has been sketchy.

I lynched scum Day one! You are the one whose contribution is sketchy, Phoebus.

*grumbles*

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Fritzler: What is your exact name?

And I live in Umore, which means that Fishbulb lives in Astuto. Which means that Phoebus does live in Astuto.


@Phoebus, I'm not sure what 'flippant' means. But it wasn't!

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I'll be voting Kerplunk soon for just sitting back after the claim here.

Which claim are you talking about?

Err... I think Fishbulb lives in Umore. Because I targeted him on Night 1. Also, I would like to know you're exact name Fritzler. Do you have a surname?

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SHITE!!!

I had this large post, with all the names of the players translated in Italian! And then suddenly I delete it all. BAH!

What I found out is that a large part of the translations fitted nicely. And that the translation of Phoebus' name is 'walking/wandering' and mine is 'heart'. Gordo, I couldn't find. Also astuto umore means 'shrewd mood/humour'.

Further I leaning to vote Phoebus, because Fritzler's claim is very good and not suspicious. And Phoebus' claim is more vague.

Need to think and read some more.

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Sorry for that ^ weird post.

Does one of you have any ideas with what which killing group killed? Because I can't figure it out.

Yosarian2, the policeman, has to have killing powers. If he hadn't then two of us would have killing powers, I surely one of us would have said that (I think). And he is the vigilante then, because if he was the SK, we would have won already. With what dod he kill then? I assume a vig doesn't kill on Day 1. That would mean the policeman kills with a fishing knife. That's strange. But I don't think there's any other sensible explanation.

Then the mafia would have killed with either bullets or mutulation. Could be either one, IMO. But I would say bullets. Mutulation is more for a psychopath SK or something. Also, after CA died we had still three different mutulations: cut in half, left arm, hand. I first thought every mafiamember has a different kind of kill and I think would have if this was their killing method. But since there were three methods with two mafiosi left, I guess that isn't correct.

IMO:

Policeman (vig): killed with knife
Mafia: killed with bullets
SK: killed with mutulation

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I translated the names from italian to english. You can use any random translator on the internet.

Some more out of the top of my head:
Cuoco - Cook (Stoofer)
Fluenza - Flu (Fishbulb, doc)
Media - Average (draygnmage, townie)
Sacco - sack, bag (Coron, sewer worker)(??)

Of a couple I couldn't find a translation of.

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This is getting drawn out and painful. I'm about to vote Kerplunk.
I'm going on Fritzler's early performance and Kerplunk's seeming contentment to sit back and wait for a vote. Sure, he claimed today but nothing really productive has come out of it.

I'm getting a bit fed up with this. What kind of productivity are you looking for? And you háve been productive this day? I am trying to do decide between you two, but I'm confused. Some things don't make sense.

Were you told, Kerplunk, that you were looking for the mafioso's daughter?
What was that supposed to achieve? You'd think she'd tell you all the names? What was supposed to happen? Reeks of traitor to me.

I wasn't told anything. I asked massive about it, but he said that I would info when I found her. And, Phoebus, I don't know what massive had in mind with my role. You're sounding like it's my fault that I was supposed to look for the mafia's daugther.

In any case, since Fritz helped catch scum, even if he is evil SK, I'd be OK giving the win to him.

I also helped catch scum, remember? When you stubbornly kept voting for me because of a random bandwagon! *sigh*

And, Phoebus for my productiveness how is this:

Night 1: Coron got mutulated (and riddled with bullets)

Coron crossed the bridge

Night 2: Polarboy got mutulated

Polarboy crossed the bridge

Night 3: Fishbulb got mutulated

Fishbulb (and only Fishbulb) crossed the bridge

Night 4: Yosarian got mutulated

Yosarian (and only Yos2 of the dead) crossed the bridge

Cross bridge night 1:
Commodore Amazing
Coron
Fishbulb
Kerplunk
Polarboy
Night 2:
Phoebus
Polarboy
Night 3:
Fishbulb
Night 4:
Yosarian2
Phoebus

I find this very very curious! I would also kind of explain his claiming on Day 2. Where has said that Phoebus was the murderer bc he also crossed the bridge. I did not find that very logical. I think he was setting up a claim. Fritzler is probably someone who knows who crosses his bridge and then gets the chance to kill them. I think draygnmage was right, after all.

I am throwing the towel in the ring:

vote: Fritzler

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Also, I have two questions for you:

So you think there would be an SK who couldn't kill everyone?

An SK with an excellent roleclaim.

Why wouldn't I fake my results if this was true? Cuz if it was, I could easily fake them so it didn't incrimnate me?

Yeah, I know. I think you'd think that your claim was safe, so no need to lie about things. Maybe we had more information then we said, that could incriminate you if you posted lies.

I have a question for you. If I would be scum, why would I go after you and not Phoebus. Phoebus is far more easier to lynch then you.

I think I'm quite happy with my vote.

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Sorry, one more thing.

I don't know how to respond to this.

I do think your scum looking for a way out.

Vote: Kerplunk

Did it look like I needed a way out? Phoebus' claim was so shabby, I think I could lynch Phoebus.

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*high fives Phoebus and gives him cookies*

WOOHOO!!!!

*does a little dance*

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Hmm... dunno know. I had a vague revelation and checked it immediately. It would have been still curious, even if you hadn't included Yos2. I would have mentioned it anyway I guess. I don't know what would have come out of that discussion.


massive, is it Lordo or Gordo? Because I looked up Gordo (of course) and it didn't mean anything in italian but it means 'fat' in spanish. I guess you grow fat from eating humans, I suppose.

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Yeah, great great game massive. Awesome. One of the funnest games I've been in.

I have had some headaches about this.

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Heh, on Night 2 I didn''t realize I lynched my lover. And Night three I figured I could use Fritzler's skill to see who was living where.

Again: awesome setup, massive.