Mini 980 - Trader Mafia (Game Over)

[VasudeVa]

@Fish: Fair enough.

I have three categories of suspicion(borrowed...somewhere from someone sometime ago)
Shot - Scummy but not to the point that I want to lynch him right now. If I were a vig, I would shoot those in this category. (Incidentally, deadline lynches go should go here.)
Investigate - Looks reaally protown, but is very suspicious(ie. probable bussers, someone who looks like he's scum hunting but not catching scum etc.). If I were a cop, I would investigate if only to know his true intentions.
Lynch - Cream of the crop scum. No discussion is needed for his lynch, ie: someone who was found guilty, claimed scum, hammered a claimed cop etc.

You are in 'investigate'.

Jack vote was just that: He was anti town and I found him scummy(recent reflection makes me think it was this annoying little OMGUS instinct I can't get rid off that made me think that). Anything wrong with thinking that and voting him?

[Fishythefish]

Of course there's nothing wrong with thinking that, if that's what you thought. My problem is that you mentioned several aspects of Jack's play as reasons you were voting him - lying about the double vote, self voting and the way the wagon on him fell apart. I don't see how any of these are indicative of Jackscum - and more to the point I don't understand why you thought they were.

Now you may realise that there was some element of OMGUS to your stance on Jack - but when you voted him, that wasn't your reason. Why did you find him scummy (rather than just antitown) then?

What is it about my play that makes me "very suspicious"?

[farside22]

Wow most people know that I can't talk as much lately and look a wagon happens.
I even had valid reason's for both my votes and my wagon is based on meta.
VV you want to supply those meta reads?
Jack: Yes more set up talks then scum hunting but as soon as the MS was taken from my computer at work I'm doing the best I can with only 1 or 2 times I can post. I would also say I did scum hunt looking at SK and explaining why I find VV scum.
This is the game I'm basing my scum read of VV percy game

oh and for those missing it and basing my lack of discussion in the game so far there is my comment in General Discussion that explains that work took MS and blocked it at work. So please use a better excuse.

[SaintKerrigan]

##Unvote: Farside22
##Vote: VasudeVa

I forgot that Farside was going to be less active in general. My missing that makes me less wary about her missing things that I said. Vote's now going on VV since he isn't at L-1.

@ Fishy: I saw an opportunity to try and get some info from Farside and I took it.

[Nobody Special]

Why did you ask that question if you aren't interested in VV's scumbuddies?

@Fish: I don't have

much

interest in who might be buddies with whom.

Not much != none.

[Zang]

Why is everybody changing their vote off of VV?

[SaintKerrigan]

FoS: Zang

[Jack]

You know who is lurking hardcore this game?

##vote:Andrius

[VasudeVa]

This game needs a shot in the arm.

Replies soon.

[zoraster]

Day 1 Vote Count

Nobody Special ( 1 ) Andrius,
farside22 ( 1 ) VasudeVa,
Zang ( 0 )
Jack ( 1 ) Zang,
SaintKerrigan ( 1 ) Steam-Powered Shovel,
Zajnet ( 0 )
NavyCherub ( 0 )
VasudeVa ( 4 ) Fishythefish, Zajnet, farside22, SaintKerrigan,
Andrius ( 2 ) Jack,
Fishythefish ( 0 )
Steam-Powered Shovel ( 1 ) NavyCherub,
flashstorm ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 2 ) Nobody Special, flashstorm,
Total Votes ( 13 )
Deadline: June 14th at 23:00 EDT
With 13 total votes, 7 needed to lynch.

[zoraster]

ATTENTION:

It is roughly 5 days away from the deadline. Regardless of when you lynch, the new marketplace abilities (with the exception of #5 which is now open) will be opened for bidding on June 15th. Here is a preview of those abilities.

Note: You may not place bids until June 15th

(except for the World Cup Petty Bettor). I give you this preview in case anyone wants to sell their current abilities to try to finance a bid tomorrow. Remember that an ability owned right now will work tonight, but the bids previewed here will not work until later.

Please note that the World Cup Petty Bettor is now OPEN for bids!

Marketplace

To place a bid, PM Zoraster with the highest price you would be willing to pay.

1 Mugger x 1

- This one-shot ability may be used at night against another player. This will steal all cash and abilities from that player, leaving that player with nothing. That player will retain any debt they had before. You may NOT mug yourself and if you are mafia you may not mug your teammate.
MB: 50 CB: 0 Deadline: Not Yet Open - Opens 6/15

2 Banker

- This gives the ability to set the interest rate on debt. You may set it at 2%, 5%, 10%, or 15% . You must submit this before the night, and it will be in effect the night after you have submitted. So if you submit 5% on Day 2, it will become the interest rate for night 3. Players will be informed of the upcoming interest rate. Finally, this ability gives the Banker a 20% discount on all abilities being sold because of bankruptcy. For example, if Ability X is put on the market because of bankruptcy, and the Banker ends up purchasing that ability for $100, he will only have to pay $80.
MB: 10 CB: 0 Deadline: Not Yet Open - Opens 6/15

3 Gunsmith

- This ability gives its owner the ability to investigate one person a night to see if they have a gun. Night Killers, Muggers, Cops will have guns. There are other abilities that may be purchased in the future that will also have a gun. If a player holds both a gun-role and the investigation immunity role, they will come up as not having a gun.
MB: 5 CB: 0 Deadline: Not Yet Open - Opens 6/15

4 Promotion

- You receive a $75 wage increase (in addition to your current wage), but in order to receive this increase each night you must choose one player to promote under you. This player will receive a permanent $25 wage increase (in addition to their previous wage). You may only promote each person once.
MB: 75 CB: 0 Deadline: Not Yet Open - Opens 6/15

5 World Cup Petty Better

- You may PM the mod with a full list of the result you believe will occur in each group stage World Cup match (who will win or draw). For every correct choice, you will receive $1. This PM must be received BEFORE the Mexico-South Africa match begins on 6/12. In the event this is stolen or sold, the new owner will get a chance to pick any games that come after the PM with selections is sent to the mod. The old owner will no longer receive money from future choices.
MB: 1 CB: 1 Deadline: 18:58:00 6/10/2010

Current bids may not be up-to-date. Current Bids and Deadlines will only be kept up-to-date by edit until the next vote count is posted.

[farside22]

Oh wow well here is a few ways to make more money. I have no clue who is even in the world cup. I fail.
God that mugger ability is so hot

[zoraster]

AlmasterGM replaces flashstorm

[AlmasterGM]

Sup kiddos.

I will be reading tonight and posting tomorrow.

See you then, hopefully this thread is good.

[Zajnet]

Posting from phone no internet unexpectedly will post soon

[Andrius]

I'm back from my self-imposed exile.

My vote is on Andrius because his posts

feel

scummy to me,

Oh really? Like slimey or just dark and ominous?
Sorry, I think we've been over this before. /fail

It appears the Mafia B have a name. Did no one else notice this? It seems obviously relevant.

What does it mean, anyway? Anarcho-Syndicalist? Some type of political party?

Meaning: if I get asked this question again I am going to bust some skulls.

SK is threatening us. Be wary of NKs from her.

This, btw, should be why I'm obv town right about now. I've been at L-1 for a while you know.

Are you sure you're not a bomb in this game? Where's ooba when we need him?

OK WOW GUYS. We're arguing over a GRAMMER ERROR? Sheesh. I am not getting involved with an ESL discussion.

In other news: I'd think there are 2-3 scum in {Jack, Fishythefish, Steam-Powered Shovel, Zajnet, farside22}.

I'm surprised SK isn't in this list. You don't find SK scummy?

Ok wow. The farside wagon jumped up out of nowhere. I agree with it to an extent. I just hope these wagons don't push us to what happened in a current game, where the town (before I replaced in) decided to wagon 3 people to L-1 and force claims. /bad idea

Ok wow. That farside22 wagon dispelled really fast. I'm willing to bet game money that there was a scum on that wagon (even if farside was scum herself. Nothing like bussing.)

I have no clue who is even in the world cup. I fail.

I have no idea what sport this world cup is for.
...
it is a sport, right?

Hi Almaster! Me an' Jack an' VV an' Alm. 4/12 isn't bad.

Oh great. A Banker. Because we're not

un

motivated enough to pay off our loans, someone can raise the interet amount? Just great.

God that mugger ability is so hot

WIFOM. Will she really bid on it? Does she even like it? Is this sarcasm? /20 Questions

[Nobody Special]

ITT Andrius reveals he is not a Monty Python fan.

[Andrius]

ITT means what?

And yes, I loved Monty Python and the Holy Grail. I'm not a huge fan though, so. :/ Did I miss something important?

[Jack]

Ok wow. The farside wagon jumped up out of nowhere. I agree with it to an extent. I just hope these wagons don't push us to what happened in a current game, where the town (before I replaced in) decided to wagon 3 people to L-1 and force claims. /bad idea

Why on earth would you be worried about that? You can't possibly be. No one has been asked to claim, and a claim can't clear anyone because scum can buy the abilities just like town can.

This is totally fake. Andrius needs to be lynched.

[Fishythefish]

##vote: Andrius

Not a good catch up post. The alignment related things in it:
1. Asking an already OMGUSy player to become more OMGUSy.
2. On the farside wagon. Some fence sitting - the bad kind where you aren't undecided, just have no intention of doing anything until other people do.
3. A prediction that there is scum on the dispelled farside wagon. He doesn't give a reason for this (why is being on a fast dispelling wagon a scumtell?).
I dislike the comment on grammar - while it seems a silly thing to be arguing over, I think it's quite obvious here that the grammar of that sentence is hugely relevant to whether someone dropped an enormous scumtell. To dismiss that as irrelevant just because it's talking about grammar is both easy and wrong.

[VasudeVa]

I am so sad that we are lynching Andrius today. . I wanted to see him do that thing he did in Greek Mythology(ie. Prance around the thread being confirmed scum. Also call out to your scumbuddies.).

Still, this feels staggeringly similar to his earlier D1 play at Greek Mythology(when I was still alive). (btw, Do other Greek Mythology alumni agree?)

##Vote: Andrius

[farside22]

Is no one else noting the wagon hopping from this guy ^^

First me now Andrius. Please lynch obv scum.

[SaintKerrigan]

##Confirm Vote: VasudeVa

@ Andrius: We're lynching VV today (barring other epic claims of scumtastity), but don't worry, we'll come 'round for you tomorrow...

[Jack]

No. Andrius is the lynch for today.

[SaintKerrigan]

Explain to me why we should lynch Andrius over VV today?