Mini 234: Astuto-Umore (Finished!)

[Fritzler]

I like the sound of Kerplunk too. ker-PLUNK

vote: kerplunk

[Fritzler]

Overnight Sewer Cleaner sounds like it could have had abilities, but maybe not.

I don't want to claim, but I will say with confidence that he had a night choice.

[Fritzler]

Well, kind of two. Stoofer was also wondering about it.

[Fritzler]

Yea, you're prob right in retrospect. I think I need to think before I post.

[Fritzler]

No, he was agreeing with you that he didn't like CA's post.

[Fritzler]

I'll admit I didn't see it as a joke, but I don't find anything overly scummy about him saying.

[Fritzler]

Hmm, CA, you're one from lynch, and I like lynching people, and I'm not voting yet, so..... you mihgt want to claim soon.
PS:

unvote

[Fritzler]

@Fritzler - I hate claiming day one, for the record. I'm Giacomo Albero, a gardener. As far as helpful night actions, I'm sure you could do much worse than lynching me. Though I'd take a good look at the people on my bandwagon. I don't really have any good guess as to which person on my bandwagon is scummiest, since they all seem to have weak reasons for voting for me. If you're going to lynch me, at least don't blow off the first day tomorrow just because it was "day one, and day one is always hard."

Are you claiming vanilla townie?

[Fritzler]

Well, I just have one question, do you have a night choice? Any kind at all?

[Fritzler]

I do not have a night choice. I believe I understand why you are asking.

Hmmm, lies,

vote: commodore amazing

[Fritzler]

Bye buddy.

[Fritzler]

vote: phoebus

[Fritzler]

With 8 people remaining, it will take 5 votes to lynch. Have at it!

Is it 8 or 9?

Also, guys there is night info behind my Phoebus choice. I'd prefer to not reveal cuz it could prevent me from catching scum in the same way.

[Fritzler]

OK, I'm gordo, the Hobo that lives under the bridge. Every night I see everyone who crosses my bridge. The only ones to cross last night were Polarboy and Phoebus. The night before that CA crossed it, and that's how I knew he was lieing when he said he had no choice.

[Fritzler]

And he wasn't one of the 5 that crossed on night 1 (three of which are dead: Coron, CA, and Polarboy)

[Fritzler]

Yes. Because only two people crossed it, and one of them had to commit the mafia kill (at least that's what I'm assuming cuz CA crossed it). Just lynch him.

[Fritzler]

Except Polar boy died at nihgt. And crossed the bridge both nights.

[Fritzler]

No, according to my count you haven't crossed the bridge either night. If you've had a night hcoice either night, then there's more to my role then I think.

[Fritzler]

With 5 people crossing night 1, its plain that it is not just scum who cross the bridge each noight. So I don't think that the fact that Phoebus crossed the bridge is evidence against him (without more).

I thought it was people with night choices. I'm obviously wrong.

[Fritzler]

Ohh,

unvote

. Yea, I'd like to hear why my claim isn't believeable.

[Fritzler]

Fritzler, why did you reveal your role so fast?

Cuz I thought Phoeb was scum, and would happily trade 1 for 1.

[Fritzler]

vote: olio

YAY.

[Fritzler]

I'd guess it has some importance, but none I can guess. What if it everyone who crossed the bridge targetted someone on the other side? Or something like that. I dunno.

[Fritzler]

Oops. I totally hacked your idea. My bad.

[Fritzler]

Fritzler, in the light of island-theory, do you see which way people cross the bridge?

No, I just see that they cross the bridge. I get a message saying "people who have crossed you bridge:"

[Fritzler]

Night 1? Yes. Night 2? No.

[Fritzler]

But then why did no scum cross my bridge if they are in seperate towns? Maybe a roleblocker. I don't know...

[Fritzler]

unvote vote: coolbot

W/E.

[Fritzler]

WAIT. In everyone else's pm does it say what town they're in? And I live alone, under a bridge?

[Fritzler]

unvote vote: draygn_mage

[Fritzler]

No that's two. Fishbulb and I both unvoted, then I revoted, making it me and stoofer on dragyn mage.

[Fritzler]

Two things.
1. draygn never crossed the bridge night 1, so he could be mafia or sk.
2. Should I reveal who else crossed the bridge night 1, so we have some confirmed "not mafia" people?

[Fritzler]

Oh and on two, it would only confirm one more as not mafia, since we already outed fishbulb.

[Fritzler]

Oh, you're right. Like a mafia roleblocker. Good point. Never mind.

[Fritzler]

One question to Fritzler: Did I cross the bridge on Night 1?

Yes.

[Fritzler]

ok geniuses, (and I hope this makes you ALL look at fishbulb now.

I am an average citizen of astuto. (by trade I am a fisherman)

Who is scum? Me for theorizing that the scum are in one town and the townies in the other? Or fishbulb for being positive about it?? THIS IS CRAPLOGIC and fishbulb is scum.

One problem, you were first to say it was scum on one island and townies on another:

I suppose. The way my PM is worded, it sounded like the mafia was on one island and the town on another. It neer occurred to me that we would be intermingled. But that also raises the question- if the bridge isn't important, why create a role around it??

Draygn mage, also, I like to believe that eveyrone in this game has a night hcoice (so as to make me not useless in certain endgame scenarios).

[Fritzler]

You voted CA on day one with little to know reasoning during our almost random vote phase (And I have seen scum often vote the other during this phase, and try to use it as justification). You gave no justification, and weren't even posting during the build up on CA. All your vote was:

vote commodore amazing

for being the second vote on stoofer

you didn't even say anything to CA after that, but knew you couldn't withdraw your vote, cuz if you did it would be scummy.

[Fritzler]

I had AMPLE time to withdraw my vote. After all, my vote was placed early on in day 1. I have played in other games with CA and as town I got the impression that he usually worries more about his image than when he is scum. His second vote stuck out to me and I voted him for it on a gut hunch. If I remember right, I even bypassed someone else who had cast a second vote on someone first, didn't I? I saw no reason to move it the whole day.

You later said that's because you didn't notice my second vote:

@Coolbot- hadn't noticed. Commodore's was the first one I picked up on.

Also, you knew you couldn't withdraw your vote for two reasons:
1. If he came up to be scum you would look guilty
2. You said you didn't know we were lynching him and you hadn't been on the site for a few days:

what the hell just happened? I finally get a chance to log in and read the thread and we lynched someone? btw, I wasn't lurking, I haven't been on the site for a couple of days.

Go ahead and lynch me if you think I'm scum, but when I come back town, my dying request is that you lynch fishbulb. I would rather you lynch scum than me, but I would rather you lynch me than a power role.

We will.

[Fritzler]

Bye bye d-mage.

[Fritzler]

My bad. So do we have night talk now?

[Fritzler]

What does sarnath'd mean?

[Fritzler]

I've got no help for you guys. He was the only one to cross my bridge.

[Fritzler]

I could get behind an olio bandwagon.

vote: olio

[Fritzler]

2. Voted Fritzler (we lynched draygn_mage for this).

That is an obviously scummy activity.

[Fritzler]

Yea, major FOS on the stooferizzle, you want to claim?

[Fritzler]

Would you rather be lynched?

[Fritzler]

Yea, don't make me get a picture of an owl to make ou claim.

[Fritzler]

No wonder you're suspicious of Olio. Happy with my vote there.

[Fritzler]

PS Why aren't there any homeless drives to help me out?

[Fritzler]

I think he's scum. LYNCH HIM. LYNCH THE SCUM! Plus, I think anyone who vigs night 1 would vig nights 2-3.

[Fritzler]

Mass claim time? And so whats up with Coolbot's death? That kill type hasn't been seen before, has it?

[Fritzler]

You could do better anyways.

[Fritzler]

I want to see if they match up with what phoebus claims before I do that. (I assume you're ok with that?)

[Fritzler]

Eeeh.
I need to talk to the mod and re read.
You get people who cross your bridge, right? How does my claim have anything to do with that?

Based on your night choices.

[Fritzler]

Right, because you know exactly where everyone lives?
Still waiting on massive.

No, but if you were like, I didn't have a choice on

x

night, I could be like, but you crossed my bridge that night!!!! If you really want me to claim results before you claim we can have Kerplunk decides who claims first.

[Fritzler]

Well, I thought you were suspicous of me. I'll tell you I mildly trust that claim. The reason is, he only crossed the bridge night 1.

[Fritzler]

How long does it take you to get your question answered?

[Fritzler]

Cross bridge night 1:
Commodore Amazing
Coron
Fishbulb
Kerplunk
Polarboy
Night 2:
Phoebus
Polarboy
Night 3:
Fishbulb
Night 4:
Yosarian2
Phoebus

My participation is flippant? What?

[Fritzler]

Oh, I see, that was still at Kerplunk. MY bad. Do you both live in Astuto? (I'm trying to put together a list of where everyone lives and targets).

[Fritzler]

Fritzler-No Town
Kerplunk-Astuto
Phoebus-Umore
Coron-Astuto (we know this because CA crossed the bridge to attack Coron)
Commodore Amazing-?Umore?
Polarboy-Umore
draygn_mage-Astuto
Fishbulb-Astuto
olio-?Umore?
Mr Stoofer-Umore (must have because Coolbot didn't cross my bridge last night when he killed stooferizzle)
Coolbot-Umore
Yosarian2-?????? (Only one we have no info on, but I would guess Umore, from his constent assurance that there were townies in Umore.)

I guessed all the mafia lived in Umore, cuz otherwise they'd have to cross my bridge to talk to each other.

Now, lets observe the SK kills:
Coron-Astuto
Polarboy-Umore
Fishbulb-Astuto
Coolbot-Umore

You'll notice phoebus crossed my bridge nights 2 and nights 4. A citizen of Umore was killed both of those nights. This leads me to believe pheebs is an sk who lives in Astuto. Makes sense, huh?

[Fritzler]

If Kerplunk is an sk (which I haven't ruled out) he has an additional power, which shows up on my bridge (hell, it may even be the masonry, I made a sk and mafia masons once), and his kills don't show up on my bridge.

[Fritzler]

Err... I think Fishbulb lives in Umore. Because I targeted him on Night 1. Also, I would like to know you're exact name Fritzler. Do you have a surname?

Nope, just gordo.

And you guys are right, let me touch up that list in a bit.

[Fritzler]

Fritzler-No Town
Kerplunk-Umore
Phoebus-Astuto
Coron-Astuto
Commodore Amazing-Umore
Polarboy-Umore
draygn_mage-Astuto
Fishbulb-Astuto
olio-Umore
Mr Stoofer-Umore
Coolbot-Umore
Yosarian2-(guess umore)

Night 2, Polarboy and I crossed your bridge. He lived in Umore, I live in Astuto. If we were in different places, pray tell how I killed him?

You could have killed him after you got back.

If Kerplunk is an sk (which I haven't ruled out) he has an additional power, which shows up on my bridge (hell, it may even be the masonry, I made a sk and mafia masons once), and his kills don't show up on my bridge.

Can you clarify that?

Well, I can't think of many scenriaos for Kerplunk crossing my bridge N1, and not any other nights, unless, he has a nadditional night choice (in addition to killing people).

[Fritzler]

Agreed on the kill methods. I'm curious, what did you use to translate them? And I'm lost at what to do. My ability seems to imply phoebus is scum, but I"m just as likely to believe it could be kerplunk. Gah, I need some more time to think about this.

[Fritzler]

Yosarian2, the policeman, has to have killing powers. If he hadn't then two of us would have killing powers, I surely one of us would have said that (I think). And he is the vigilante then, because if he was the SK, we would have won already. With what dod he kill then? I assume a vig doesn't kill on Day 1. That would mean the policeman kills with a fishing knife. That's strange. But I don't think there's any other sensible explanation.

Agreed, unless phoebus has killing powers and is keeping it a secret. But it still doesn't make any sense.

Then the mafia would have killed with either bullets or mutulation. Could be either one, IMO.

Do you honestly think the sk would kill with bullets and not mafia? Seems like your trying to make it look like you don't know anything about the SKs kill methods.

Were you told, Kerplunk, that you were looking for the mafioso's daughter?
What was that supposed to achieve? You'd think she'd tell you all the names? What was supposed to happen? Reeks of traitor to me.

Agreed, or maybe they became lovers and itwould be easier to kill her. I dunno.

In any case, since Fritz helped catch scum, even if he is evil SK, I'd be OK giving the win to him.

Earlier didn't you say it was easier for sk to find scum? This seems contradictory to me.

[Fritzler]

I don't know how to respond to this.

I do think your scum looking for a way out.

Vote: Kerplunk

[Fritzler]

Also, I have two questions for you:

So you think there would be an SK who couldn't kill everyone?
and
Why wouldn't I fake my results if this was true? Cuz if it was, I could easily fake them so it didn't incrimnate me?

[Fritzler]

Sorry, one more thing.

I don't know how to respond to this.

I do think your scum looking for a way out.

Vote: Kerplunk

Did it look like I needed a way out? Phoebus' claim was so shabby, I think I could lynch Phoebus.

Not as shabby as yours.

Also, I have two questions for you:

So you think there would be an SK who couldn't kill everyone?

An SK with an excellent roleclaim.

What would happen if this sk got stuck in a town with people it couldn't kill? (I.e. you with your claim [which i still don't buy], stooferizzle [who btw, said my role fit perfect with his results] and draygn_mage. He couldn't kill anyone, including stoofer who I think is our cop.

Why wouldn't I fake my results if this was true? Cuz if it was, I could easily fake them so it didn't incrimnate me?

Yeah, I know. I think you'd think that your claim was safe, so no need to lie about things. Maybe we had more information then we said, that could incriminate you if you posted lies.

But wouldn't it be better to be safe, and take one or two people off my list that were killed? I.E. I could take off yosarian and nobody would be the wiser.

I have a question for you. If I would be scum, why would I go after you and not Phoebus. Phoebus is far more easier to lynch then you.

Cuz you knew Phoebus was about to vote you, so you wanted to give him a reason to vote for someone else. Phoebus was definetly against you, and you're trying to prevent that.

[Fritzler]

Damn it. Good game guys. I knew I should have faked my results.

Oh, and kerplunk, I wasn't setting myself up for a claim, I really thought Phoebus was scum then.

[Fritzler]

So kerplunk, if I barely messed with the results and removed, say, Yosarian, would you have noticed?

[Fritzler]

It's lordo. I misspelled it, then when I saw lordo = dirty, I figrued I'd stick with gordo.

[Fritzler]

Awesome set-up indeed, massive. Definitely /in for your next game.

So the information I got from my customers was useless?

Um, no, it caught you a member of the mafia.