Mini 985:Madness at Night: Game over

[crypto]

Also GTFO Spyre.

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

@

All

, do you generally prefer to lead or follow?

I haven't really done much leading in bandwagons, but that's something I like doing. I also like to follow when I think I have a legitimate case against a person and I have original thoughts on it.

[hiphop]

Present

I also confirm that AlmasterGM and Super Smash Bros. Fan are in this game, and understand (so they say) their roles (or should I say their jobs).

That's kind of an odd joke... assuming it's a joke.

*(inserted by hiphop)because I say so*

Why do you assume it is a joke? And if it is one(not sure myself), why is it odd?

@Mod: 2/3 of the people here have confirmed. Will our votes count since 2/3 of the people have confirmed, despite us not officially starting Day 1 yet?

That is not very nice Just because I guy showed up early, does not mean he doesn't have a voice.

First off I would like to

vote:nopointinactingup

because he is the new guy in town. My logic is this. I have been around everybody but him, and the trouble just started, therefore it must have been brought in by somebody new. Hence the only logical suspect. But then llamaeatataco joined my town. so

vote:llamaeatataco

for ruining my well thought out plan.

But then again. The only logical person for me to do is

Vote: Podium

<---Policy vote for being obv town when scum.

P.s SSBF the next time you are a PR, please do not claim vanilla. What is worse is that when someone said they were willing to hammer, you did not make it known you were a PR. Why? If you are not going to help the town then you are no better then scum.

Oh in response to your rvs questions.
1.no
2.no
3.no
4.no
5.no
Thank you very much.
Three of the questions I believe have no relevence to the game of mafia, and the other two, well... I am not your seretary.

@

All

, do you generally prefer to lead or follow?

Definitely to lead, except when you are playing.

[AlmasterGM]

so you are not going to tell us what time zone you are in.

are you trying to be obnoxious on purpose?

[SpyreX]

NO U

In THEORY I'd prefer to follow awesome people making awesome moves but that doesn't seem to happen near enough to be in practice so I put on the powerhat 9000 and get a movin'.

Hiphop's entrance is...something else.
What is so fragrantly bad about those questions that not only do you opt to not answer you get all uppity. Is SSBF scum? Are those questions somehow bad?

[charter]

I'm gonna make the easy vote.

vote Hiphop

EDT
A lot
Dunno
Neither
CATCHER OF SCUM

[crypto]

Unvote. Vote: AlmasterGM.

For greater justice.

[hiphop]

so you are not going to tell us what time zone you are in.

I am pretty sure that if you check the thing that is under my awesome avatar, you might figure it out. You know the thing that says Location... that has been there since, I don't know, and sorry to not be exact, but this is only a guess, a month after I signed up at ms.net.

Hiphop's entrance is...something else.
What is so fragrantly bad about those questions that not only do you opt to not answer you get all uppity. Is SSBF scum? Are those questions somehow bad?

Thank you very much. Nice to be playing with you again. .

And in answer to your questions. Maybe, and maybe.

Now a question for you. How do

all

these questions help you to play mafia? Notice how I bolded the all.

Being that 80 percent have played with me before, 70 percent when I was town, and 40 percent when I was scum, I am sure any relevent information will be brought up anyways.

Wicked? SSBF? Almaster? Do you agree with my policy vote?

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

SSBF?...Do you agree with my policy vote?

I actually do. This is a solid way to gain reactions from him and put pressure on him. It also reminds him that we are not going to underestimate him again.

[AlmasterGM]

Why does podium need pressure, he's already proven he's pro by completely pwning you both.

@hiphop - it took you longer to refuse to give your time zone than to just say what it was. whenever you spend more time and effort refusing to do something than it would take to just do it, that fits my definition of being obnoxious on purpose.

Vote: hiphop

. wagon teim.

also, whats up crypto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgCM46CSwd8

[hiphop]

Why does podium need pressure, he's already proven he's pro by completely pwning you both.

Hence the term Policy vote.

[AlmasterGM]

So your policy is to vote for people who are good?

[podium123456]

SSBF?...Do you agree with my policy vote?

I actually do. This is a solid way to gain reactions from him and put pressure on him. It also reminds him that we are not going to underestimate him again.

my reaction --> meh

Why does podium need pressure, he's already proven he's pro by completely pwning you both.

Hence the term Policy vote.

Hiphop, please dont give the scum an easy target by acting like a buffoon right out of the gate.

[hiphop]

So your policy is to vote for people who are good?

"Now you're not making any sense at all "

He was scum, where everybody thought he was town, remember. If I was policy lynching someone who was good, my vote would be for Spyrex.

@hiphop - it took you longer to refuse to give your time zone than to just say what it was. whenever you spend more time and effort refusing to do something than it would take to just do it, that fits my definition of being obnoxious on purpose.

Sorry for taking up 48 minutes of your time, but I doubt it was that important to you. Please tell me why it matters to you at all? I would think what would matter more is what time of day I am posting, not what time zone I am in. By the way don't ask. When I get on I get on. Besides I think you can tell exactly what time I am posting being it says on every post

Hiphop, please dont give the scum an easy target by acting like a buffoon right out of the gate.

But..but...why not? Curious to say, I wonder how many town would go after an easy target.

Cryto, can I steal you sig?

[crypto]

Whatever floats your boat . . .

AlmasterGM, what's the connection between hiphop being obnoxious and hiphop being scummy?

Podium, why do you think hiphop is town?

SSBF, what do you think of the attacks on hiphop?

Also, I like my vote where it is. AlmasterGM is the correct wagon at this point.

[AlmasterGM]

There's no connection at all. He's just being annoying.

[podium123456]

Podium, why do you think hiphop is town?

One would assume that scum would want to lay low and not do anything odd to stand out from the crowd, especially at the start of a game.

He's done the opposite of that.

That view is subject to change, of course.

[hiphop]

AlmasterGM, what's the connection between hiphop being obnoxious and hiphop being scummy?

Thank you crypto.

Everybody pay close attention to this:

@hiphop - it took you longer to refuse to give your time zone than to just say what it was. whenever you spend more time and effort refusing to do something than it would take to just do it, that fits my definition of being obnoxious on purpose.

Vote: hiphop

. wagon teim.

Reason for vote. Not a random vote at that. Therefore I am scummy.

And then:

There's no connection at all. He's just being annoying.

Votes me because I am being obnoxious, but that does not make me scummy. Interesting.

[hiphop]

One would assume that scum would want to lay low and not do anything odd to stand out from the crowd, especially at the start of a game.

He's done the opposite of that.

Most scum. You are an exception of course.

vote: almaster

[Sando]

Sup, this game started just as I went to bed, then work, then bludging around at home, so post time!

I'm aussie btw, so GMT +10. This would make about a dozen games for me.

Hiphop was looking very good till the vote on almaster. The whole 'I'm going to act like an idiot to catch opportunistic scum' was a bit labored, and I think hiphop isn't addressing why almaster actually voted for him.

Podium is most town by far so far.

Questions:

Wicked, jumping over RVS questions pings my radar, they're a fairly common tool used, mainly to move the RVS along, why do you appear to dislike them?

Hiphop/Crypto, why, simply because almasta decided to call hiphop obnoxious, does that automatically mean that's what the vote is for?

Hiphop, why does there being no connection between obnoxious and scummy mean you're not scummy?

[hiphop]

Hiphop was looking very good till the vote on almaster. The whole 'I'm going to act like an idiot to catch opportunistic scum' was a bit labored, and I think hiphop isn't addressing why almaster actually voted for him.

Since I missed it, and you seem to see it, why did Almaster vote for me? And don't go making up something, give me a quote.

Hiphop/Crypto, why, simply because almasta decided to call hiphop obnoxious, does that automatically mean that's what the vote is for?

Hiphop, why does there being no connection between obnoxious and scummy mean you're not scummy?

Simple, Almaster gave no other reason why he voted for me, therefore the only reason he voted for me is because I am annoying. Until another reason is given, or should I say until he makes one up, that is what the vote stands for.

Who says I am not? Where did I say I was not? Am I scummy to you? Why?

Oh and you never answered all the SSBF questions, some people might find you scummy for that.

[Wickedestjr]

These questions IMO are easier to look back at evidence. With RVS, reactions is basically why it exist. With RQS, you're able to look at the play style and how they answered the question. For example, if I were to notice you bandwagon frequently and attack inexperienced players, I would use that as evidence against you. Now I wouldn't say you're scum because you were doing those thing, but it does raise the possibility of you being scum if that's the case. RQS is basically more of a long-term benefit then RVS.

What kind of helpful evidence do you think could be drawn from those questions? Aside from question 4, I don't think any of those questions help to find scum. (For example, your timezone has no relevance to your allignment in this game)

Another good thing about RVS is that you can point out flaws in it that bothers you, which can also help spark discussion. For example, with your answer to #4, you said you preferred RQS to RVS. However, then you called me out for the questions. What type of questions during RQS would you consider beneficial?

You have avoided my question. What kind of discussion were you hoping to start from those questions? In answer to your question, I would prefer any questions that would actually generate responses that could be used to get an idea of a person's allignment. Any questions that a player would answer differently or in a different way as scum.

Yeah, wicked. Is there some strategy to that question? Because it seems utterly pointless.

I was interested in seeing how he responded/reacted to the question.

@All, do you generally prefer to lead or follow?

I prefer to lead. This is mostly because I don't like following, and that is because I usually have different suspicions then everybody else.


More later.

[llamaeatataco]

/confirm, will post actual post in about 2 hours.

[crypto]

Hiphop/Crypto, why, simply because almasta decided to call hiphop obnoxious, does that automatically mean that's what the vote is for?

He made an observation about hiphop and then voted hiphop. I assumed the two items were connected as opposed to bizarrely disconnected.

[crypto]

This game needs more voting.