Mini 989 - Disgaea Mafia Episode 2 (Game Over!)

[TheButtonmen]

[Confirm] Yo. [/Confirm]

[TheButtonmen]

I feel sorry for all of you

/confirm.

Clearly she got a town role and is already preemptively apologizing for her play!

I feel sorry for you given your hate of 'Walls of Text' and my playstyle.

Not sorry enough to refrain, however.

Conciseness is pro-town.

[TheButtonmen]

No need to be an asshole yet, Buttonmen ^-^. Just wait til D3 where I'm flailing against a scum driven wagon and you have to walk in with a cop result that saves me. THEN the assholery can begin :P.

The trick is holding back on the result until the last minute; everyone knows heroes arrive at the last possible second to save the day!

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Vote: MagnaofIllusion

preemptively for threatening deliberate antitown behaviour.

[TheButtonmen]

Wild house party while the mod is gone!

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I think I have a post restriction.......

Just kidding. So, you all make sure to have the mod PM me when the jokes are over.

Vote: Kise

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@Kise

: Not required.

@EveryonenotKise:

Why the flaming turtle ducks aren't you voting him.

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@Iecerint:

I can't help but notice you spelt Kise wrong.

@Kthxbye:

Disconnect between words and actions.

[TheButtonmen]

The vote is for 100% reals; quite for serious some might say; if that's what your referring to.

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Time for a speed lynch it would seem.

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@Foober:

Did you just ask if my for 100% reals vote was for real.....

Also why is Jarti mirroring Iecerint?

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TB: how would a 'speed lynch' give us any information for day 2? Do you really think Kise is scum for not wanting to participate in RVS or do anything to get us out of it? If not, how would a speed lynch of Kise help town?

Lynching scum helps town.

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@UK:

Hmmm No scummy so far? Jarti is answering questions for me and mirroring Iecerint and Kise is displaying cognitive dissonance.

@Jarti:

@Jarti
Why is kthxbye a better wagon then Kise?

[TheButtonmen]

And why would you publicly state it's just a pressure vote?

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....

No.

This ain't random son.

Also in 72 you admit to just going along with town rather then scum hunting.

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@DavidParker:

Do you have any completed games and/or are you an alt?

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@Iec:

If you don't want to hop on this wagon; why not start your own?

[TheButtonmen]

2. Kise has a wagon sufficient to motivate him to participate/scumhunt/explain himself.

Hnnn?

[TheButtonmen]

2. Kise has a wagon sufficient to motivate him to participate/scumhunt/explain himself.

Hnnn?

@ TBM: I don't understand your implicit incredulity.

If he's doing any of the three I've apparently missed it.

[TheButtonmen]

IT WOULD BE LOVELY TO HAVE ADDITIONAL

STEPS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

and/or

To have people say whether KTB is a misunderstood sweetie or what.

POSTS.

FTFY.

Hopefully activity kicks up a notch during the week.

[TheButtonmen]

Heh, I like your style DTM.

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Long time no see people!

'cept for Kittens (Thanks for the mod during marathon!), Magna and that guy who I can never tell is Socio or DTM.

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While I'm concerned with how Foob has seen nothing scummy as of yet, I agree with his mentality.

Useful...

Who's been scummy and how?

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@Mod:

What's the deadline situation?

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This argument has gotten stupid though.

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FINE MAYBE I WILL!

LET'S LYNCH KISE!

[TheButtonmen]

Why would we lynch Kise again?

Sweet we already lynched him!?!?

Oh wait....... way to get my hopes up UK.

The main reason is that he

got a scum role PM

A) was / is showing a fair amount of cognitive dissonance and is actively showing that he isn't going to change the way he is playing. B) his long post on page 7 is about 8 kinds of scummy.

May I add the lack of formal ISO and the lack of posts numbers is giving me multiple sads.

[TheButtonmen]

Not one post; trend throughout every single one of his posts.

Sort thread by authors; Kise starts midway down page 4; just read his posts in order.

It jumps out with neon lights and a safety vest, while waving flares.

[TheButtonmen]

If you want me to highlight specfic examples I'll be happy to but I feel just reading his posts in ISO will get the point across right well.

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@Kthxbye:

Let's go tit for tat; you tell me why you think it's town I tell you why I think it's scummy; the catch is you have to go first. Sound good?

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Sure thing TB, the problem is I'm not looking for your scum findings of Kise's post to be a townie thing for you to do to help me judge/read Kise. I'm asking because I want to judge/read you from your response. Hope that counts as going first for you. Your turn.

A) That posts useless; saying in a game of mafia that your going to judge people / read into their responses is a complete waste of time; of course you are that's the whole point of the game.

B) You don't mention Kise's post once in that post, thus it sure as hell doesn't explain why you find it a town tell.

[TheButtonmen]

I like KTB a lot.

You called him scum a fair amount earlier; but yes depending on how he goes about answering the question I'm in agreement that he isn't a lynch target for today.

[TheButtonmen]

I'm glad he is our new favorite player, though.

Let's not go too far eh?

[TheButtonmen]

Yo; still alive.

Post this evening, father day things today.

[TheButtonmen]

I'm back (freedom!), starting my re-read, doing my "What wrong with that post by Kise - The tat edition" but first I need to comment lulwhut posts this page.

FOS TBM & DTM

There's a whole lot of stalling when it comes to naming TBM's character.

I don't know which "parents" other then TBM is just Adell's dad. That's what it says in my PM, whether adoptive or boss fight. Either way: if you are worried TBM is scum, then he'll be alive past day 3. If he's town, he'd die tomorrow night (considering they'll be smart and attack me). and you'll confirm him via NK. Why the hell are you worried man? "sparkles"

I'm frakin worried because we can lynch his goon ass today. I thought you said you were a name cop? If not, then what is the official title of your role name?

Also, DTM: I learned yesterday that in an alternate ending, Adell can turn into an uncontrollable demon if you fraked up and got the worst scenario possible. In this ending, he brutally tongue rapes his friends to death while hidden behind a black screen. Now I'm not saying Adell is scum in this game -- from the start anyway. What I'm getting at is that anything is possible. Shura is closer to mafia than town since him and Adell's demon mama were serving under the main antagonist (who I suspect is the more important scummer ITT, so it makes sense in a possible 9:3 setup that these 3 characters are the mafia here). You may have done some good here by outing TBM's character. What is it that makes you mistake Adell's dad as auto-town?

Yes; Kise is trying to push my lynch using A) Flavour, B) Super Stretch Flavour (My son apprently can turn evil) and C) Not attacking me for my play and D) Kise could you explain this quote to me?

FOS TBM & DTM

There's a whole lot of stalling when it comes to naming TBM's character.

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@UK:

I'll do that later when I'm not doing other stuff then.

Had a chance yet?

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Huh?

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I don't know?

My role name is Adel's Dad, no name given.

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Iece, you're looking like the lynch today. Either you agree with me that you see Buttons as scum, or you don't and find him town. I noticed earlier how you fueled my wagon, yet slyly did not vote. How many people now have you

knowingly

declared town this phase? I'm sure I've seen you pronounce it more than once (other than TBM).

DTM needs to be more clear whether he's a flavor or name cop. All of these vacations are too inconvenient.

Scum.

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Of course it's selective. If you said something I found pro-townish, I'd highlight it, but it wad not dur. So I highlighted the parts I disfavored. Now, the main point I was trying to make is that you have this "either-or" thing going on... You say it's possible for this, but on the other hand it's also possible for that... Like... get to the money.

Unvote

No L-1ing you because I know someone will hammer (there's more than enough legit reasons to). Our precious pet wants to do some iso, so we should honor that.

You dumb son?

You were the only one voting me, not exactly L-1.

Eager to unvote and move on once you see your strictly flavour case wasn't complelling anyone?

OH, well we could have built a wagon on someone and- nuuh, nevermind. I can't name an orthodox way to end the jokey intro part of Day 1. The whole out-of-game questionaire never really does anything except help players get to know each other (that is, if all players are being truthful). Perhaps later down the line you'll catch someone in a lie, but I don't imagine anything immediate [Day 1].

Iece, what's your favorite color?

Oh hey it's Kise doing everything in his power to avoid talking about the game.

[TheButtonmen]

Sigh, your not looking for anything in specfic.

Thoughts on the jostling back and forth between wanting serious posting and him continuing to joke post?
Thoughts on him pushing flavour?
Thoughts on him and Iec?

Pretty useless early D1, but early D1 is pretty useless itself until later game.

Lies! Slander! Slanderous Lies!

[TheButtonmen]

Bah.

@Mod:

KTHX, RBT and Foobert off having a party and they didn't invite the rest of us?

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..Helpful.

Now that your here do you want to join in a discussion and start sharing your opinions?

[TheButtonmen]

You missed something.

[TheButtonmen]

I have been. Who are you reading?

Hn?

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@Volk:

:insert argument from other game about discussions of playstyles:

@RBT:

Thoughts on Iec?

@Mod:

Can we get a replacment for Foobert? He has 3 posts all game and the last of which was 8 days ago.

[TheButtonmen]

TBM, why are you dodging me?

....really?

I already mocked your pushing of flavour while ignoring in-thread content.

You got anything else?

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@RBT:

Thoughts on Iec?

Who cares about him when we have obvscum KTB?

I hear that disregarding everything save one person may in fact not be the best plan; crazy I know.

Also only giving your opinion / reads on one person is making me all suspcious like.

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[Rampant Paranoia]
This continued back and forth between UK and Iec is starting to read like scum distancing. It's filling up the thread, seemingly isn't going anywhere, has no follow up and doesn't seem to branch out.
[/Rampant Paranoia]

[TheButtonmen]

Oh, they're pretty solid. I just refuse to reveal the mechanics of them. I'm pretty sure that if anyone took my general statement of scum intent and looked for it, they'd see what I see, assuming they were looking for scum.

I can't begrudge that statement of yours without sever hypocrisy, so give me a starting point and/or focus and tonight I will reread the whole argument.

[TheButtonmen]

If people don't stop PBPA I may in fact kick a

kitten

puppy.

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@ All, Jarti is scum. Please recognize this and vote him with me.

Notice what Kise does when I'm not pushing his wagon?

[TheButtonmen]

Talking about Kise, I should probably prod him.
Oh and btw, deadline is like, within 31 hours or something?

Hanging people from tree is like prodding them right?

[TheButtonmen]

Everytime I push his wagon he shows up spewing uselessness to look active and the minute I stop he goes back to lurking.

[TheButtonmen]

Yeah, you know, I think I'll just look into the Jarti case over the period of night. I don't feel like getting into ISOs right now.

[TheButtonmen]

Are you 100% leaving your vote on Iec?

[TheButtonmen]

Fiddle sticks about Jarti, I want a Kise lynch. He's already got 3 on him, not out of the range of kynching at all.

[TheButtonmen]

Also Kittens your being worryingly wishy washy about your commitment to the Iec lynch.

[TheButtonmen]

Well, Kise lynch wouldn't make the tears come at night, so.

Hurray?

What the smeg is up with this towns activity level, come frolic townspeople!

[TheButtonmen]

TBM needs to quit being lazy and answer questions instead of acting like he doesn't speak English.

TBM, why are you dodging me?

....really?

I already mocked your pushing of flavour while ignoring in-thread content.

You got anything else?

[TheButtonmen]

Iece dead yet?

Jarti still useless?

[TheButtonmen]

Ugh injecting WIFOM into the game like that...

However I still really don't want an Iec lynch, he's one of the few active players. I really feel like lynching elsewhere is the way to go for today.

Lynch Kise!

[TheButtonmen]

It's not WIFOM so much as irrelevant, Appeal to Authority, Appeal to Emotion, and rather circumstantial evidence.

[TheButtonmen]

Is it back to the Iec, Kittens and Buttons show?

Come on people there's a deadline hells of soon.

[TheButtonmen]

Uh, it's not irrelevant. I'm pretty sure dram was annoyed with how I did DG1 (no idea why). He's been snippy at me in games I've played with him since then. He didn't explicitly invite me to this game, even though I clearly had interest in the flavor based on my participation in the first game. I SENSE A SHIFT.

There are other explanations, but it's extra information to play with when I'm gone. You people whining about it makes no sense whatsoever.

....that's like textbook ATA and ATE.

Iec, since its lookin' like you may be ropped.

Top Scum Reads and/Or Notes you want town to read after your flipped?

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When I flip town, you will have access to the information because I shared it with you. SEE HOW LUCKY YOU ARE?

Woooooo.

We will know for sure that you think Dram doesn't love you anymore.

[TheButtonmen]

Kitten, thoughts on the active to inactive ratio of the players on Iec wagon?

[TheButtonmen]

That's why I don't like the Iec lynch.

I won't be hammering.

[TheButtonmen]

With the rules as they are though, Iec you better get in here and post reads, notes and whatever else if your town.

If your scum well.... go think about how to make Dram like you agian?

[TheButtonmen]

G'night.

[TheButtonmen]

I approve of Kise votes.

I espcially approve of Kise votes that means he gets a rope at days end.

[TheButtonmen]

The way I read it, both get lynched.

[TheButtonmen]

I read it as if no one has seven the lynch number becomes half that.

At that time both Kise and Iec would be above the point of lynch, thus both get lynched.

[TheButtonmen]

You keep reappearing every few days saying I'm ignoring questions, I then keep asking what question. You've never answered, preferring to just lurk until people start mentioning you agian.

So for the third time (yes, I will gladly quote the past two times this happened if anyone should want me to).

What questions am I ignoring?

[TheButtonmen]

DOUBLE KITTEN POWER!

I mean.....

Vote: Kise

[TheButtonmen]

Sorry guys. I'm

at work

eating BBQ, drinking beer and such. It's Canada Day.

Fixed to better reflect the Buttons situation.

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Kittens is still riled up I see.

@Kise:

Your partner is either kittens or one of the lurkers, not sure yet can't get a read on them.

@MI:

This pissing context appears to be the only way to get him to post.

@Mod:

Can you start prodding with sharper things?

[TheButtonmen]

v/la until tonight.

Sorry for absence.

[TheButtonmen]

I should probably back off, but please don't be a hypocrite.

Yes.

You've been starting fights that are generating most of this games noise, I'm not exactly enjoying it.

Though I understand this is largely because of how quiet most of the town is being but still can we hug this shit out?

Have some free time and am catching up now, should have a post sometime after dinner.

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Kittens, I'm the last person to tell someone to stop attacking someone they find scummy. The issue I'm having is a fair portion your attacks aren't really attacks, I absolutely understand the value of being provocative but sometimes it's reading as though your just throwing in some of it for no reason.

[TheButtonmen]

Dear other peoples.

I won't be voting UK, Nacho, MoI or DTM today; even if they claim scum.

Today is a lurker lynch.

Fortunately Kise is both scum and a lurker; Win - Win situation here.

To all you other lurkers, replace out or flake out; there's a snowballs chance in hell of me ever getting a town read from you.

[TheButtonmen]

'cause there are too many to shoot and they didn't respond to the lurker vig as evidenced by them still being filthy lurkers.

[TheButtonmen]

RBT appearently also gave her double posting power!

[TheButtonmen]

Yo, Kise glad to see you showed up for the usual prod dodge useless post.

It had been four days and I was starting to get worried.

[TheButtonmen]

So Jarti comes back due to prod and makes a nonsenseical post about how we should lynch the person being replaced, rather then commenting on in game material. Not one of the lurkers who's still here but the person who was replaced over two weeks ago.

[TheButtonmen]

Can we has Kise lynch yet?

[TheButtonmen]

I'm more suspcious of the fact that Recks claimed to actually reread some games.

@UK:

You were like this yesterday, I'm not liking how your Kanye Westing everything. You approve of every other wagon but won't push them, only hammer.

[TheButtonmen]

A) Actively scummy implies active, B) Since your not really pushing his wagon and it's not gathering any momentum. What you say to switching your vote over to Kise, you find him scummy and this game desperatly needs less lurkers.

[TheButtonmen]

Downside of putting you votes on him?

[TheButtonmen]

UK is your threshold for him really this large?

[TheButtonmen]

Foobert got replaced, KTHXB is getting replaced, Jarti can eat a bullet tonight.

If we lynch Kise on top of that we have removed all the inactive players.

You know you want a more active game.

[TheButtonmen]

@Kise:

Shoot Jarti, his flip makes the hypothetical vigs job easier tonight.

[TheButtonmen]

Hn?

Kittens top suspect was MoI, Kittens was a vig.

I occamed and found no reason for a vig.

[TheButtonmen]

Hn?

Kittens top suspect was MoI, Kittens was a vig.

I occamed and found no reason for a vig.

Errr SK.

Found no reason for an SK.

[TheButtonmen]

.....

Kittens was a vig.

Reading the flips kinda helps.

[TheButtonmen]

I'm more suspcious of the fact that Recks claimed to actually reread

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Fuck it. I made it through about seven pages, said "Oh man Iecerint is scum", then saw he had already been lynched and flipped.

Waiting on you guys now. My head hurts and I hate rereading.

I. Hate. Rereading.

[TheButtonmen]

New plan:

Unvote; Vote: Recks

[TheButtonmen]

Ugh that Iec wagon was so bad, it was obvious he wasn't scum.

Also the vig of MoI made me sad.

All that pales in light of my sever fuck up in Lylo, I thought it was DTM / Recks as scum team.

[TheButtonmen]

I apprently can't read Recks I always find him super scummy as he always comes across as skimming / coasting scum to me.

[TheButtonmen]

Curiosity forces me to ask why you thought I was scummy.

[TheButtonmen]

Curiosity forces me to ask why you thought I was scummy.

Well before I screwed up in LyLo.

[TheButtonmen]

KTB managed to convince me he was town after his initial suspicion, though.

Same for me.

This game also had a saddening amount of lurking.

[TheButtonmen]

Clearly we need a Disgaea Episode 3 to redeem ourselves!

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@Drams:

Episode Three Confirm or Deny?

[TheButtonmen]

/pre-in if you'll take me!

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[TheButtonmen]

OH HEY AT LEAST IF I JUMP INTO THE NEXT DRAM MINI GAME I WON'T GET VT
SERIOUSLY WORST ROLE EVER

Lies!