Mini 234: Astuto-Umore (Finished!)

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Rather than join in on the random vote frenzy, what do you guys think about the death scene? Seems to me that we have to different killing groups and they both targeted him. Guess they really wanted you dead, Coron!

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I picked it up after I had to read the death scene several times to figure out if Coron was supposed to be the screaming female or not. I've come to the conclusion that the lady was screaming because of seeing Coron, not because she was the one that died. For some reason that took me a bit to grasp...

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Carlo's hardly a dame.
And with a description as a sewer worker, you think he'd be a female role?

Exactly my confusion. But I assumed he was a female because of the way it was set up, so I had to back up a few times to figure out why I thought that.

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About my current scum-cathcing-tactics: I'm trying to catch scum on the first day by looking at small things/slip-ups in their posts.

Current? You mean you just started this "tactic"? What was your previous method? That's been my general approach since I've started playing. Haven't been successful... yet.. but what else are you going to do?

My thoughts on the deal: In my experiences, town are so paranoid that they are going to notice these little things and blow them out of proportion, but most of the time they are just misunderstandings. Meanwhile scum sit back and just randomly add thoughts, but don't actually take a side until the town has come to a decision. Kinda like I'm doing right now... oops!

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Haha! Got ya, Phoebus.

Score 1 point for the Fish.

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I

still

don't understand how CA now has 5 (I think) votes. It seems to be related to his statement that Coron was probabbly not killed by a vig, because vigs don't usually kill night 1. This has me scratching my head because vigs don't usually kill night 1 (unless they're idiots). So I don't see how stating that fact (which CA rightly categorised as "obvious") makes him scummy.

I'm obviously missing something.

Yeah, I'm kind of in the same boat. Phoebus' last post is the main thing that concerned me. Commodore Amazing's random vote after the comments he made seemed out of place. He gave no reason, and Phoebus wasn't voting him, so his discussion and the vote have no relation to one another. Just seemed odd. Doesn't make him scum though.

But, here's the deal, what are we going to get on Day 1? Probably nothing more than a hunch. *shrug*

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I can't tell if you are asking me, or Mr. Stoofer... But I'll respond anyway.

I wasn't saying that what was happening was right or wrong. Nor who could be scum and who is not. Just an observation that no matter what happens today, it will probably end randomly. We can try to pick apart people's posts to come up with a reason, and that's really all we can do. But catching someone saying something odd doesn't really get us closer to finding scum, just gets us someone who said something odd. It's enough of a reason for me, though. Let's hang 'em!

(Note: I'm fine with lynching Commodore Amazing, but I'm not adding my vote just yet in case someone has something else to add.)

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Well, then you misinterpreted my post entirely. I said that people not getting involved are likely scum. Hence, those that show a strong opinion are generally just overly enthusiastic townies. If you follow that line of reasoning as you did when you quoted me, then Phoebus wouldn't be high on your suspect list at all.

Don't quote me and then use it to justify something completely unrelated to what I was saying.

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Yeah, and I don't agree with that being scummy. Not that we shouldn't lynch him, just that isn't a very good reason to do it. But what else are we going to get on Day 1?

Fishbulb, I think you may have misunderstood me. The "you" in my post 69 was Phoebus, not Fishbulb.

Okay, I understood that. Phoebus' question was in regards to post 65 in which you quoted me, and then added "This is what I think is happening." So, your response to all of that implies that you agree with me, and then when Phoebus questions you on it, you say that what you mean is that you find Phoebus scummy, which is the exact opposite of what I said in that quote that you agreed with. I'm seriously confused.

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Whew...

No problem, Mr Stoofer, just wanted to make sure we all understood each other because that was getting quite messy.

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Here's an idea. Stop using the word "you". actually type the name of the person or people you are talking to. Example-

@Fishbulb- do you think this will cut back on confusion?

There we go. Perfect example of what I was saying. Someone who is obviously paying attention and here to post, but isn't actually contributing

anything

worthwhile. Basically, he's scared to commit either way to the discussion until it is more solid as scum generally don't like to push for a lynch because if it fails it gets turned against them.

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@Fishbulb- do you think this will cut back on confusion?

Oh, and actually, no that wasn't the problem. I think we all were fine with that part. The confusion was Mr Stoofer completely misunderstanding my post which started the discussion, which didn't have anything to do with using "you."

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You're wrong? But you are still voting for him...

At this point, I would have a hard time voting Phoebus after what he did yesterday, and right now I don't see the bridge giving us a whole lot to go on. I can't imagine there being a role that would make it that easy to find scum. I think yesterday was just luck.

Maybe this information could be useful if we could get everyone's night choices together, but that would be way too useful to scum, and besides, they'd lie anyway making it difficult to figure anything out. I'm not saying we should ignore Fritzler, just that we shouldn't lynch based solely on that.

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I'm talking about the fact that Commodore Amazing walked over the Frtizler's bridge. He was the Mafia's beautiful daughter, doesn't sound like the killing type. Evil all the same, just not one that would be carrying round a machine gun or rip a body in half.

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Yeah, I don't think there is much discussion about whether Fritzler is telling the truth or not. The issue is about how useful his information is.

draygn_mage, you have been beyond useless this game. And now you just throw out a vote with nothing more than "I don't believe him"? Give us something to work with.

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@Fishbulb- "beyond useless"?? I haven't had much to say, but I guess that doesn't stop some people from babbling on anyway. With only 2 people crossing the bridge, and only 1 kill method, either we have a scum group that "forgot" to kill last night, or an invisible doc, or you're lying.

Or, that might not be exactly what is happening here. I doubt his bridge ability is working like we think. For one, assuming what you are assuming here, that means that everyone has to cross the bridge to get to where they are going. That doesn't make much sense in a real world situation, so looking at it that way, there's gotta be more to it. Like maybe half of us live on one side of the bridge, and if your night choice involves someone on the same side then they don't need to cross. Or something similar. But my point isn't to speculate on what it could really mean, just that not thinking about other possibilities would set us up for some trouble.

Do you really think Fritzler has made all of this up? I mean, I could see late in the game, but this early, and this crazy of a claim... I have to believe him. I'm not saying we blindly follow is information, just that lynching him would be a bad idea at this time.

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I suppose. The way my PM is worded, it sounded like the mafia was on one island and the town on another. It neer occurred to me that we would be intermingled. But that also raises the question- if the bridge isn't important, why create a role around it??

I never said the bridge wasn't important, so I can't answer that question.

Also, my PM says nothing about the Mafia being on one side of the bridge... Hmm...

I'd guess it has some importance, but none I can guess. What if it everyone who crossed the bridge targetted someone on the other side? Or something like that. I dunno.

Well, that's a great idea! ...Oh wait, I just said that.

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I'd have no trouble joining a dragyn_mage lynch today.

Sounds like a plan.

Vote: dragyn_mage

The way I look at it, olio might be scum, but I'm almost positive dragyn_mage is. Like I mentioned before, he has just shown up here and there and added no content whatsoever. His vote on Fritzler was probably just to get the heat off olio, or maybe just because he realized the power of Fritzler's role and was trying to get him killed. Then when called on it, he makes a pretty pathetic attempt at explaining himself, which didn't explain anything. And finally, I don't think the rest of us knew that Mafia ware situated on one island, and the fact that it was in his role PM sounds to me like the type of information that scum would get, but not townies.

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I'm probably going to be dead soon, so no reason to hold back...

Fritzler, did I cross the bridge on Night 1?

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Well, then CoolBot is definitely scum.

I still want to vote dragyn_mage, but I think this is way too strong to ignore. What does everyone else think?

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Well, there could be more going on here, like a roleblocker. Since we had the serial killer only last night (right?), then he could be placed in the townie village and just the mafia by themselves.

But here's what I know. Mafia on one side, town on the other. I targeted CoolBot night 1, and I crossed the bridge. We can worry about the others later, but for now that seems like a definite.

Unvote: dragyn_mage

Vote: CoolBot

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so now fishbulb was voting me for having a suspicion about where town and mafia are, and was just proven wrong. thank you very much.

No. I unvoted for you because of the bridge thing, which it turns out wasn't right. Go back and actually read my post to get the reasons I voted you.

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No, I don't think so, Fritzler. They could have an important role. It would probably be best to not paint anymore targets on us.

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Well, this makes draygn_mage's statement even more suspicious.

I suppose. The way my PM is worded, it sounded like the mafia was on one island and the town on another. It neer occurred to me that we would be intermingled.

Oh, and I thought I already put my vote back on him.

Unvote: CoolBot

Vote: draygn_mage

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You stated your PM was worded like that. I couldn't imagine you lying about that, even if you were scum. Obviously I was wrong. I guess you were using that to try to get us to vote against Fritzler.

But your suspiciousness has little to do with whether you were right about that or not, so come up with something new to defend yourself with.

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Anyway, if you're a citizen of astuto, and if the death scene showed that Polorboy a dead town memember from Umore, then why did you think that all the town was on one island and all the scum was on the other?

Yeah, I just assumed he was telling the truth when he said that because I couldn't imagine why scum would lie about that. Seems to me that it would be in their best interest to not talk about information revealed to them in their PM. So the way I look at it, either he was lying, or he was telling the truth. Either way, likely scum.

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2. Fishbulb has been after me from the beginning when I tried to clear up a misunderstanding during the early game.

I have no idea what you were talking about. The only reason I even mentioned your name yesterday was because you have been pseudo-lurking (posting, but not saying anything), which is worse than just not posting. At least real lurkers can be replaced.

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I figured out Fritzler was likely to be the serial killer right after sending in my choice to protect him. Sure enough, dead the next day.

Fun game, though.