Mini 988 - Small Town Mafia GAME OVER

[Zachrulez]

Hypocrisy thy name is Nacho.

I'm pretty sure I can't eat Hypocrisy, but I admit it would be funny.

Jason, Zach: Why should we lynch Butterfly right away?
Deadline isn't even close, many players still need more attention, heck, some players haven't even posted.

Deadline's a non issue. There's no set amount of time that the day should be.
Content from less active players is a valid concern. Still see no reason to drag along the day at this point and risk a distraction that allows the scum butterfly to slip away. (The whole reason for active lurking is to allow exactly that to happen.)

[Exilon]

see my last post and zachs iso

I don't like this justification. You mean "butterfly's scum, let's just lynch him?" (if not, please elaborate.)

Problem with that is the day would end prematurely, which means it will end when there was productive discussion to be had and many players left to analyze. this point still stands strong even if butterfly is scum. And if he's town, then things only get worse, because then we'd have little discussion + 2 dead townies (supposedly).

So please, you're going to have to give me better than that.

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

@jasonT1981: Your vote is on 0x1de so far. Yet you say "Let's lynch The Butterfly now!". These two things contradict itself.

If you are still more suspicious of 0x1de, why are you pushing for an The Butterfly lynch?

[jasonT1981]

good point, I actually forgot I had switched my vote to Ox. I still thought my vote was on Butterfly.

unvote
vote:butterfly

I still want to push Ox on day 2. however a scumclaim, regardless of excuses is a ood enough reason to lynch

[lobstermania]

Day One Vote Count

#2

(as of post # 203)

Cuetlachtli - [0]

Exilon - [0]

Zachrulez - [1]

Nachomamma8

jasonT1981 - [1]

DavidParker,

0x1de - [0]

DavidParker - [0]

Nachomamma8 - [0]

Super Smash Bros. Fan - [0]

foobert - [0]

The Butterfly - [4]

foobert, Zachrulez, Super Smash Bros. Fan, jasonT1981

Concerned - [0]

Antonio - [2]

Concerned, Exilon

Butterflie's brother - [1]

The Butterfly

Not Voting - [3]

Cuetlachtli, Antonio, 0x1de

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch....

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

@Mod: It's been over forty-eight hours since Cuetlacthli has last posted. Please send a prod out to him.

[DavidParker]

Could repeat same arguements as everyone else.. But alas I'll save bandwidth.

Vote: The Butterfly

[Concerned]

Change of opinion: If I fail to find a better lynch I'm perfectly happy to vote butterfly simply because he's the type of player who will need to die eventually anyway, and we might as well get it over with on day 1.

I was hoping he'd improve and offer some content, but if he's just going to ride the noob train until the end of the game then why bother keeping him around.

[Exilon]

If I fail to find a better lynch I'm perfectly happy to vote butterfly simply because he's the type of player who will need to die eventually anyway, and we might as well get it over with on day 1.

This sums up my thoughts.

I oppose of a butterfly lynch so early in the day. Even if he's scum, we'd be trading discussion and a townie (NK) for a newbie scum. Now imagine that he's an actual townie.

Jason: I asked further elaboration from you, yet you haven't given me anything. Is what you stated to my question about Butterfly the only reason why you support Butterfly's lynch?

[Concerned]

Also before we lynch butterfly, I'd like every player who hasn't done so to post their opinions on a butterfly lynch.

I would like this done before he reaches L-1 preferably because people on L-1 inevitably get lynched before I want them to, something about players on L-1 makes people want to hammer, scum and town a like .

[jasonT1981]

Jason: I asked further elaboration from you, yet you haven't given me anything. Is what you stated to my question about Butterfly the only reason why you support Butterfly's lynch?

I thought I made my reasons for wanting a butterfly pretty clear in one of my posts....

you say the only reason though, as if I only have one reason for supporting his lynch... hell I was the one who started the entire thing on Butterfly with the roleclaiming and his get out clause in his vote at the start. But since you asked I will once again show my reasons for wanting his lynch

Yea, I agree. Lynch now please.

Scum claim...
no content provided
joke about scum claim with excuse
proven lying.
is that vote from him considered a self vote?
Yea, scum!!

Add to that the get out clause in his post

vote: Exilon

but i could be completly wrong on this... he could just be a townie trying to give out some deacent advice....

Thats 6 reasons I support his lynch 7 if you count the role fishing I think he was doing also.

So, no it was not the only reason.. I have 7 reasons.

I hope that answers your question

[jasonT1981]

Also before we lynch butterfly, I'd like every player who hasn't done so to post their opinions on a butterfly lynch.

I would like this done before he reaches L-1 preferably because people on L-1 inevitably get lynched before I want them to, something about players on L-1 makes people want to hammer, scum and town a like .

I would like a claim from him before he is lynched.

[Exilon]

Jason:
Sorry I didn't make it too clear. I can understand why you see him as being scum, obviosuly - I share your views on that.
What I wanted was the reason to lynch him right away, which you and Zack seem to advocate. Have this in mind:

Problem with that is the day would end prematurely, which means it will end when there was productive discussion to be had and many players left to analyze. this point still stands strong even if butterfly is scum. And if he's town, then things only get worse, because then we'd have little discussion + 2 dead townies (supposedly).

My question was:
Asides from the reason that Butterfly is scummy, what other reasons do you have for supporting his lynch right away?

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Offtopic:
Lobstermania has a nice sense of humour. I'm actually tempted to build a Butterfly's brother wagon just to see what happens if we lynch him.
Does that mean we can vote anyone?

[jasonT1981]

Ah, alright sorry. but basically along the lines of what Zach has already echoed.. if we do not do it and we ride out to the deadline scum butterfly could slink out of sight in the hopes another wagon forms and town thus forgetting his scumminess when a new waon is formed.

Deadline is not the issue, The reason I am asking for his lynch is he has done 7 thins in my book worthy of being lynched for.

Just because there is a deadline date does not mean we cant lynch until then, in fact I don't think I have ever seen a game go to the deadline date... if I have its rare.

Hell, a game I was in recently I was lynched within a day of game starting up again. Unfortinutly this is still on going and can not link to it.

[Concerned]

Also before we lynch butterfly, I'd like every player who hasn't done so to post their opinions on a butterfly lynch.

I would like this done before he reaches L-1 preferably because people on L-1 inevitably get lynched before I want them to, something about players on L-1 makes people want to hammer, scum and town a like .

I would like a claim from him before he is lynched.

Kinda goes without saying IMO .

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

In response to Concerned question, I would love a The Butterfly lynch. But while I wouldn't mind him dying now, Exilon brings up an excellent point about how a quick lynch can be detrimental to town. I mean, this is like a form of policy lynch.

@jasont1981 and Concerned: Didn't The Butterfly just claim scum? Or do you think he actually didn't claim?

[jasonT1981]

@jasont1981 and Concerned: Didn't The Butterfly just claim scum? Or do you think he actually didn't claim?

Oh, theres no doubt hew claimed scum.. he claearly said he was, then gave a shitty explination right away. what makes you thin, that I think he didnt actually claim?

[0x1de]

Nacho, why do you think that Butterfly looks scummy?

Don't mean to answer on anyone's behalf, but I have to ask, have you been reading the game thoroughly? We need to stick to productive discussion and not rehash what has been going on over and over and over.

Yes I have and I'm shocked at the conviction some people have that Butterfly must be lynched. I really want to see Nacho's analysis.

[0x1de]

Can someone explain the logic behind scumclaim = scummy. After all Nacho did it too.

[Exilon]

Can someone explain the logic behind scumclaim = scummy. After all Nacho did it too.

Problem with that claim is that I was able to prove it was a lie using only the info presented in that post, following a line of questioning, which, I might remind you, was dropped by him later on.

Buttefly's claim, on the other hand, cannot be proven to be a lie by resorting to that singles post.

Either way, I'm seeing people give too much credit into Butterfly's claim and I'm not seeing anyone considering why would butterfly claim scum as scum or as town unless the string of events that led to it can explain it. I'm finding it too null to be able to dub it.

Summing it up: It worries me that some players are ignoring Butterfly's justification for the claim or dubbing it as "invalid" when it is a perfectly good explanation given the context.

[The Butterfly]

y would i claim scum if i didnt want to be killed, and u know i dont want to be killed becouse i blamed it on my brother right away, so y would i bother saying i was scum since that would obviously mess me up if i was only then going to try and get out of it by blameing it on my brother?

[0x1de]

Can

someone

Jason and/or Smash

explain the logic behind scumclaim = scummy. After all Nacho did it too.

[The Butterfly]

i was trying to keep these to myself but Jason really seems to whant to see them
so here are my two main suspects and why....

1. Antonio- he has not been posting and when he douse he only puts a small amount of information... and most of the time its not game-realated
2. jasonT1981- you have been pokeing at me from day 1. would you be trying to divert atention from yourself.

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

Just want to bring up meta for a moment: The Butterfly's play is frighteningly similar to razorback's play in Newbie 904 and Newbie 916. His grammar was horrible (Not a scum tell, but for comparision sake), he made unecessary internal conflicts, and his game was scummy. He was scum in both of these games. Give them a look and compare them to The Butterfly's play.

@0x1de: Nachomamma8's claim was clearly not serious. He did this to spark up discussion and as a result, we got plentiful activity. His play has been relatively pro-town since then.

The Butterfly's claim matches up very easily with his poor play, which was already lynch-worthy. Plus he's trying to blame this claim on his brother, which has already been subjected to jokes, especially from lobstermania, the mod. Therefore, he is the most likely scum of the group and I suggest lynching him if his play doesn't improve by the time the end of Day 1 is approaching.

[Concerned]

i was trying to keep these to myself but Jason really seems to whant to see them
so here are my two main suspects and why....

1. Antonio- he has not been posting and when he douse he only puts a small amount of information... and most of the time its not game-realated
2. jasonT1981- you have been pokeing at me from day 1. would you be trying to divert atention from yourself.

Lurkerhunt + OMGUS? Is that all you've got for us?