Oi oi.
AGar here, replacing Vrtra.
Read through the thread yesterday, made some notes. Unfortunately, my heaviest suspicions were on AKR, who was apparently not scum. Still, got some notes. Some are just notes, others may be more of an accusation.
- RC was fence-sitting early on/concerned with rushing to an initial vote, showing caution in laying any definitive accusations.
- RC was also buddying up to some players in the early game.
- Cove was very aggressive, moreso than the usual aggressive players I've seen, early on.
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This post shows Cove blatantly bending and making up a scumtell. Unvoting and not replacing a vote isn't (and hasn't ever been in my 14+ games) a scumtell, just a sign that someone may have been tunneling at worst (which tends to lean a towntell to me), or they might have just had a case shattered and want to go back and re-read without being committed to anything definitively.
- Cove pushing his approach to mafia as the end-all, be-all strategy that everyone should abide by is wholly unimpressive and a bit unnecessary. Everyone has different methods. Two of the best players on this site will play very different gamestyles in the same role, in the same situation.
- Cove/AKR misrepresented powers of votes quite awfully. Yes, a vote is the most powerful tool that we have. No, you shouldn't wait for scum to hop up in your lap until you vote. But you shouldn't also just be throwing your vote around like "LOLVOTE him!... wait, LOLVOTE her! LOLVOTE everyone!" You'll get suspicions that are worth voting and suspicions that aren't. Just throwing the vote around when you have the slightest inkling on someone, even if that's your only inkling on anyone, ruins the effectiveness of a vote by taking away the element that breaks people - threat. If you throw it around at something like that, a player at, say L-2 and then you vote him to L-1 isn't likely to sweat it because all he has to do is convince you someone else might be a slight bit scummy too, and your vote's gonna hop.
- RC trying to get AKR/Cove to stop posting is anti-town.
- Anti-town != Pro-scum. BIG BIG difference.
- As far as I've seen, RC was using broken meta all yesterday, and so were other people. You can't use meta when you've only seen ONE alignment of a player's play! It DOESN'T work. This had to be THE single most frustrating thing during my re-read. I wanted to do this: /facedesk /facedesk /facedesk /headwall /headwall /headwall
- RC seemed to almost "know" that GT was town, citing meta, which as I just explained, could NOT have confirmed jack shit. Thus, I am suspicious of that acclamation that "I know GT is town."
- Cove, you had meta on GT? Again, broken it seemed.
- @Tidher, regarding AKR (which is a bit pointless, but something worth putting out there anyways) - AKR didn't really defend himself well yesterday, and his whole "case" on GT was Lynch All Lurkers. Kind of a moot point, but just pointing out a flaw I found with your read on him.
- LIST ARE BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD!!!! Right up there with the damn meta - lists are THE most useful tool for mafia - they know who they can and can't flex the town into lynching, thus allowing them to make better NK choices.
Debating whether I'm more suspicious of Cove or RC. Both had some big issues yesterday, but I can't decide who I'd like to see strung up first.
HoS: Cove, RC
