Mini 980 - Trader Mafia (Game Over)

[Fishythefish]

@VV: there is no contradiction or scumminess in acknowledging a point in support of an argument you disagree with, or in not being certain about something. Your pair of quotes has the same form as the following:
"I agree that the fact that Rio Ferdinand being injured makes it more likely that Algeria will beat England. "
"No, I don't think Algeria will beat England. I'm not 100% certain, but it's unlikely. "
Clearly, these make sense together. And if you believe the second one, it's no reason not to say the first.

I don't really understand the term cognitive dissonance, but AFAIC here you are using it to mean some combination "not being certain about something" and "contradicting yourself". The first is not a scumtell, and the second I have not done.

[VasudeVa]

Daytalking scumpost after some discussion with his scumbuddy. Also, lame defense.

Riiight.

So, why say the first sentence at all? Clearly, you don't think Rio Ferdinand's injury will affect the outcome of the game. Then why mention it?

The second statement trivializes the first statement(ie. the injury does not matter, Algeria FTW.). Which is exactly why it is dissonant. (ie. it is very unsure, and will give you leeway in case you need to switch sides.)

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Cognitive dissonance is a way to catch someone who is lying about his belief. Most of the time, scum lie about their beliefs and get away with it(because it is unconfirmable). The CD scumtell is geared towards detecting these.

It is my job to catch lying scumbags like you trying to lie your way to my lynch(Which you got. But your days are numbered now~.)

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Honestly, the hammered townie is still scum hunting. Now that's team spirit!

[Fishythefish]

I don't intend to argue this any further. If anybody else sees any merit in your arguments, I'll have it out with them.

[VasudeVa]

I don't intend to argue this any further. If anybody else sees any merit in your arguments, I'll have it out with them.

Give me an R~

Town:

R!

Give me an O~

Town:

O!

Give me a P~

Town:

P!

Give me an E~

Town:

E!

Put that together and what does it spell~

Rope Rope Ropeee~!!

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Not that I blame you though. It's not your fault you're scum.

[zoraster]

End of Day 1 Vote Count

Nobody Special ( 0 )
farside22 ( 0 )
Zang ( 0 )
Jack ( 1 ) Zang,
SaintKerrigan ( 0 )
Zajnet ( 0 )
NavyCherub ( 0 )

VasudeVa ( 7 ) Zajnet, farside22, AlmasterGM, Andrius, Fishythefish, Steam-Powered Shovel, Nobody Special,

Andrius ( 3 ) Jack, SaintKerrigan,
Fishythefish ( 1 ) VasudeVa,
Steam-Powered Shovel ( 1 ) NavyCherub,
AlmasterGM ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 0 )
Total Votes ( 13 )
Deadline: June 14th at 23:00 EDT
With 13 total votes, 7 needed to lynch.

VasudeVa the Townie was lynched

It is now Night. The following happened in the night:

Jack the Townie was killed

Day 2 begins. Deadline is June 25th

With 10 total votes, it takes 6 to lynch

[zoraster]

Marketplace

To place a bid, PM Zoraster with the highest price you would be willing to pay.

1 Mugger x 1

- This one-shot ability may be used at night against another player. This will steal all cash and abilities from that player, leaving that player with nothing. That player will retain any debt they had before. You may NOT mug yourself and if you are mafia you may not mug your teammate.
MB: 50 CB: 0 Deadline: Not Yet Open - Opens 6/15

2 Banker

- This gives the ability to set the interest rate on debt. You may set it at 2%, 5%, 10%, or 15% . You must submit this before the night, and it will be in effect the night after you have submitted. So if you submit 5% on Day 2, it will become the interest rate for night 3. Players will be informed of the upcoming interest rate. Finally, this ability gives the Banker a 20% discount on all abilities being sold because of bankruptcy. For example, if Ability X is put on the market because of bankruptcy, and the Banker ends up purchasing that ability for $100, he will only have to pay $80.
MB: 10 CB: 0 Deadline: Not Yet Open - Opens 6/15

3 Gunsmith

- This ability gives its owner the ability to investigate one person a night to see if they have a gun. Night Killers, Muggers, Cops will have guns. There are other abilities that may be purchased in the future that will also have a gun. If a player holds both a gun-role and the investigation immunity role, they will come up as not having a gun.
MB: 5 CB: 0 Deadline: Not Yet Open - Opens 6/15

4 Promotion

- You receive a $75 wage increase (in addition to your current wage), but in order to receive this increase each night you must choose one player to promote under you. This player will receive a permanent $25 wage increase (in addition to their previous wage). You may only promote each person once.
MB: 75 CB: 0 Deadline: Not Yet Open - Opens 6/15

5 VasudeVa's Estate

MB: 50 CB: 100 Deadline: 11:00:00 6/14/2010

Current bids may not be up-to-date. Current Bids and Deadlines will only be kept up-to-date by edit until the next vote count is posted.

[SaintKerrigan]

##Vote: Andrius

Andrius, claim any and all abilities you possess. Now.

[Zajnet]

Hm, surprised that VV

and

Jack are both town. So Andrius is our best bet for today barring oddities.

##Vote: Andrius

[SaintKerrigan]

So why are you surprised that Jack is town, Zaj? You said yourself that the Double Voter (aka Jack) was likely town. Where did this sudden alleviation of suspicion come from?

Why do you want to lynch Andrius?

[Zajnet]

I'm not surprised that Jack is town. I'm surprised that he's town given that VV is scum, which I found unlikely to begin with.

I want to see where today goes. Andrius is our best lead from D1, so I'm voting him for now.

[SaintKerrigan]

I'm not surprised that Jack is town. I'm surprised that he's town given that VV is scum, which I found unlikely to begin with.

Wait a minute. You're surprised Jack is town because VV flipped

scum

? *dot dot dot*

I want to see where today goes. Andrius is our best lead from D1, so I'm voting him for now.

And yet you have no suspicion of him from Day 1.

FoS: Zajnet

Zang is also uber lurking and needs to get his ass back in here and contribute.

[Nobody Special]

I'm not surprised that Jack is town.

I'm surprised that he's town given that VV is scum,

which I found unlikely to begin with.

I want to see where today goes. Andrius is our best lead from D1, so I'm voting him for now.

Please rephrase the bolded part so that it makes sense. Thanks, ever so.

[Nobody Special]

Ninja'd by the creepy av dude.

[SaintKerrigan]

Ninja'd by the creepy av dude.

*sends Zerglings to nomnomnom your body*

[SaintKerrigan]

Also, more contribution from you would be great as well, NS.

Why were you convinced yesterday that Andrius is scum, and yet you haven't voted for him yet today?

[Nobody Special]

I was about to, then got sidetracked by the WHOA!WTF of the thing by the .... guy.

And then forgot (I have mafia!ADD.)

## Vote: Andrius

But, yeah. (This is my third post today, what do you

want?)

And, why pick Zang out of all the players to call out on not posting?

[SaintKerrigan]

And, why pick Zang out of all the players to call out on not posting?

Because he's not only not posting much, I've found his posts highly lacking in scumhuntingness. This is a big red flag that he might be scum.

Might you give a reason why you're positive that Andrius is scum? Because I've yet to see one from you.

[Zajnet]

That was a typo, it was supposed to say I'm surprised that Jack flipped town given that VV flipped

town

.

[SaintKerrigan]

That was a typo, it was supposed to say I'm surprised that Jack flipped town given that VV flipped

town

.

I figured, but getting you to say it means there's no confusion about it.

Now that that's all cleared up, please tell me why you thought that one of VV or Jack had to be scum.

[Zajnet]

The discussion between them gave me a gut feeling that one of them was scum. I don't know how to explain it, but it just felt that way. Apparently my gut isn't as good as Mr. Gibbs', but meh.

[SaintKerrigan]

The discussion between them gave me a gut feeling that one of them was scum. I don't know how to explain it, but it just felt that way.

You made absolutely no mention of this yesterday. You didn't even mention any hint that you thought Jack might be scum. Why is this coming to light now?

[Nobody Special]

Oh, I have more than one reason.

@ Anyone with Math Skills

So if we can take out loans for 300% of out cash right now, we can technically have like, $400. And the scum would then have... $500? (I'm hoping I did my math right, lol.)

Pretending to be less than top of the class.....

Ok, I'm not going to go too far into the money issue, but with each town player able to take out a $300 loan, on top of D1 starting money they'd have $400. Scum would have $500, if they started with $125. So it is possible for any player to have scrounged up all that money to get a power.

.....and now, he's a math professor.

Oh. That sucks. Computer issues suck.
I think its safe to assume that, unless they simply haven't been online yet. :/
Can we say that a scum has Cop too?
Unless scum have the Doctor.
Gah. This is a bit more complicated than I thought. lol

Rolefishing is scummy.

Jack, I'm not scum.

I can prove who the Doublevoter is, but I don't really want to out the PR.
Or I can just tell you to go look at the votecounts and find better deductive skills.

Keeping info from town is also scummy.

God that mugger ability is so hot

WIFOM. Will she really bid on it? Does she even like it? Is this sarcasm? /20 Questions

More rolefishing.

3. A prediction that there is scum on the dispelled farside wagon. He doesn't give a reason for this (why is being on a fast dispelling wagon a scumtell?).

3) I was somehow convinced that SPS was on the farside wagon too. Ugh. IDK how that happened. I think it happened spontaneously, with SK and VV just jumping on the wagon with no good reason mentioned.

Scum often don't pay much attention to what goes on in the game. This is a classic example.

Additionally, his posts throughout the game have been peppered with remarks about behavior in other games that doesn't really relate -- I see this as trying to come off as friendly, conversational ...... scummy.

[Steam-Powered Shovel]

I disagree with the case on Andrius.

##Vote: SaintKerrigan

[SaintKerrigan]

Any reason in particular for the vote, SPS?

@ NS: I disagree with all of your reasons for voting Andrius. They look contrived.

FoS: Nobody Special

[farside22]

I want to vote SPS just for that last comment and vote alone. Voting for SK for what exactly? Just because you disagree with a case? How is that scummy exactly?