Newbie 961 - Game Over - Town Victory

[CSL]

Erm, disregard. Skunkape is V/LA until tomorrow (Declared Monday)

[AurorusVox]

CSL, sorry to be a pain, but I shifted my vote to me=weird, and then I unvoted a few posts later >_<"

[Zajnet]

Ha. Nice catch on the "I thought I was putting him at L-2" / "I thought he needed 7 votes" contradiction.

Unvote

Usually people who contradict themselves (or are exposed as liars) are scum, and I would happily vote for the person who is caught out. However, I'm not ready to hammer yet (the lynch seemed to build pretty fast) but I am willing to see a Zajnet lynch when the deadline gets a few days closer.

Zajnet, at the moment, this contradiction is the biggest scumtell I have on you or anyone else. What is your response to being caught in this evident lie?

It means that I'm human. I knew I wasn't hammering him, and I miscounted votes. So sue me.

Nice misrep on those quotes btw.

You can't just say this without saying how/why they're misreps, scum.

The post above mine outlined how it was a misrep. I didn't feel the need to reiterate when everyone should be reading the thread.

[AurorusVox]

They misrepped the order, but not the sentiment. There's nothing wrong with posting quotes out of order, unless they change the meaning of what is said significantly. Unloved zoned in on a misunderstanding, so I corrected him on that element.

Zajnet, your responses to pressure are a lot less convincing than I had hoped. Your offensives were townish, imo, but you're looking scummier every time you post without any real substance to your defence. "So sue me" - if you're town, you need to give us a better reason than this. I think since you're at L-1 and its close to deadline, you should claim before anyone else (or, more specifically, I) hammers on you...

[UnLoved]

About the misreps of Zajnet's quotes:

I think the quotes are misreps in one way, but still supply evidence against Zajnet.

I had thought Zajnet voted shadow right after attacking Skunkape. However, the quotes DO show that he had voted someone for not posting any content and also attacked someone for voting a lurker. And I'd say lurking and not posting any content is the same thing.

About Zajnet's L-2/L-1/whatever:

In another mafia game (that ended, don't worry ) I had been lynched because I had "hammered" someone and put someone at L-2, right after a person showed evidence that the person I had "hammered" was town (I didn't read that person's post, I was too tired). In truth, I had done this completely by accident, but I also happened to be scum. It could be a subconscious thing, though. Just a little something to think about.

[Karma]

They misrepped the order, but not the sentiment. There's nothing wrong with posting quotes out of order, unless they change the meaning of what is said significantly.

QFT. Claim.

[Zajnet]

Not much I can say. VT. No flavor since it's a newbie game.

[Me=Weird]

So... Because the quotes were out of order, that means they are completely wrong? And making you seem scummy when you aren't? Also, you didn't post this.

Post with more content tomorrow(unless zaj gets lynched before then).

[Karma]

M=W, where do you get those sweet grafix?

[AurorusVox]

Unvote, Vote: shadow2222

He's posted no content whatsoever. At all.

I won't be able to make a large post for awhile, real life events are keeping me busy this week, however AurorusVox has dispelled most of my concerns on shadow2222.

So that I can continue to be productive to the town, I'm going to go ahead and

Unvote

and

Vote:StillAwesome

for lurking.

KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS L-2, ONE MORE VOTE PUTS HIM IN RISK OF BEING SPEEDLYNCHED - Act cautiously

This post sounds really off to me. Off enough to

Vote: Skunkape

. Stating that you're voting a lurker so you can continue to be productive to the town sounds really, really scummy to me. The over dramatization in the last line really makes me think you're scum. If anyone were to speed lynch him and he flipped scum, cool. If he was speedlynched and flipped town, the people that were those last 1 or 2 votes would have some explaining to do. This post reeks of scum trying to distance himself from a wagon on someone he knows to be a townie.

What is the difference between your shadow vote and Skunk's SA vote? Aren't the purpose of votes to kill scum, which is indeed productive to the town? Anyways, blatant contradiction = scum.

vote: Zajnet

. I suggest others do the same.

If the quotes had been posted in this order, I really doubt it would have made any difference.

By the way, the quote where he attacks Skunkape, and the posts that have since come after, show the huge discrepancy in his offence/defence style. Wouldn't VTs be posting larger, more aggressive posts to prove their innocence? Zajnet is clearly capable of such posts. Strange that they've all but disappeared.

Does anyone have anything else to add? I'll gladly hammer if not.

[Zajnet]

By the way, the quote where he attacks Skunkape, and the posts that have since come after, show the huge discrepancy in his offence/defence style. Wouldn't VTs be posting larger, more aggressive posts to prove their innocence? Zajnet is clearly capable of such posts. Strange that they've all but disappeared.

Does anyone have anything else to add? I'll gladly hammer if not.

I haven't been posting long drawn out defensive posts because I haven't had the time. I had freshman orientation for UT Dallas and I've been working full time on top of that.

I don't really know what to say. I don't understand the full attack on me. It seems to boil down to a single contradiction and the way I attacked shadow2222 and skunkape, which I don't see a problem with. The speed of the wagon on me makes me confident that my lynch will give the town some much-needed information, because this wagon has to be driven or at least navigated by the scum.

As for the l-2 contradiction thing, I'm human. Humans make mistakes. Townies can make mistakes, as can scum, because we're all human. I'm used to different sized games, and I miscounted. If you don't believe me, then so be it.

About the attacks on shadow2222 and skunkape, I voted shadow2222 when I realized that he hadn't posted any content at all in the entire game. This isn't necessarily a scumtell, but it is anti-town. I changed my vote to skunkape when I saw what I saw to be a legitimate scumtell. To whoever said that I joined an already moving wagon, being the third person to exhibit issues with skunkape's post. However, I was the first to vote him, so

I didn't join an already moving wagon

, and

I added unique content to the attack on skunkape

.

[Karma]

Zaj, who do you think is scum?

[Me=Weird]

M=W, where do you get those sweet grafix?

Here. As you can probably tell, yabbaguy made them, so I claim no credit but that of giving you the link. Who do

you

think is scum? And you said you're an alt, are you an alt of someone I know? Not asking you tell me who you're an alt of. Vox, any other suspects?

[Karma]

Who do you think is scum?

Seriously, have you not been reading the thread? I started the Zaj wagon and I still think he's scum.

I don't think you know me.

[Me=Weird]

I meant who

else

are you suspicious of? There's more than one scum.

[Karma]

Zaj is scum. Why make pointless banter over who his scumbuddy is?

[Karma]

I'll tell you tomorrow. Zaj is scum. It's all you need to know.

[UnLoved]

Zaj is scum. Why make pointless banter over who his scumbuddy is?

So we can find the other scum person?

[Karma]

Yes. I promise.

But for now, lynch Zaj.

BTW, I didn't think the first post above my last post posted. Sorry if I came off as redundant.

[CSL]

You all have 3 days left until deadline. Just a reminder.

[AurorusVox]

M=W: I do have suspicions with regards to particular people, but I don't think it'd be that helpful right now to reveal who those are, since it might indicate to the scum who would be the best target for a night kill. Moreover, this day has been plagued with inactivity and V/LAs so it's hard to get a solid read on most people, which narrows the scope of getting reads, so I think I'll see what's going on tomorrow before revealing any suspicions I have.

With that,

vote: Zajnet

[startransmission]

Wow, shiny new forum.

Sooo... I have some posting to do, but I've spent the last couple of days playing Marathon at the shelter site. I figure that the deadline is adjusted for moving time?

[CSL]

The Final Vote Count of Day One

WARNING! Tomorrow is deadline!

Zajnet (4) Karma, startransmission, Unloved, Me=Weird, AurorusVox
startransmission (1) RealityFan
Karma (1) skunkape
skunkape (2) Zajnet
Unvoters: Doubtful, AurorousVox
With 9 alive, the quota is 5

If deadline were to hit now, Zajnet would be executed. The deadline is currently set for Wednesday, June 16th @ 9:00pm EST.

RealityFan keeps his spot.

I would have extended the deadline if there was no hammer.

Zajnet is lynched. Please hold.

[CSL]

Zajnet was lynched. He was a Civilian.

It is Night 1. Deadline is Saturday, June 19th, 2010, at 4:00pm EST. Get all actions in by then, or you will forfeit them.

ATTENTION: THIS THREAD CANNOT BE LOCKED, SO DO NOT POST UNTIL DAY, OR YOU WILL BE MODKILLED. NO EXCEPTIONS!

[CSL]

Hey, I might have to leave a day earlier than planned, so the deadline has been moved to Friday, June 18th, 2010 @ 4:00pm EST. All players with an action have been notified.