Open 216 - Generic Reality Television Mafia! Day 2!

[nopointinactingup]

I find it hilarious that Nopoint has completely forgotten that I'd been pointing him out as scum since yesterday.

How could I forget about you XS, don't feel left out or anything.

if I had made the kill after careful consideration?

Are you trying to reassure yourself? Why is it that the first post of the day is you saying "oh no, the scum have framed me?" If you were town, I don't think you'd be as concerned about whether we are indicating you as scum or not as you would be about trying to find the actual scum.
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I haven't exactly said it that way, I'm just pointing out the obvious scum motive and taking responsibility for my town read on SV. Btw, have my own analysis that points to Chronek/Empking. But like I said, I want to hear from others first.

[Chronopie]

Pre-emptively covering your back isn't the most townie thing to do...

FoS: Empking

[XScorpion]

Scumpoints to XScorpion. Targets of night actions don't normally know they've been targeted. The fact that XScorpion's mind jumped to that just seems... off.

...what?
Who said anything about night actions?
What are you smoking?

[nopointinactingup]

true xD explain it again?

[Empking]

Why is it that the first post of the day is you saying "oh no, the scum have framed me?" If you were town, I don't think you'd be as concerned about whether we are indicating you as scum or not as you would be about trying to find the actual scum.

Scumpoints to XScorpion. Targets of night actions don't normally know they've been targeted. The fact that XScorpion's mind jumped to that just seems... off.

Also scumpoints to nopoint.

Barring that one line above, scorpion is making some good points.

Vote: XScorpion

FoS: Nopoint

Bold is mine.

Then why do you vote XS rather than Nopoint?

[Chronopie]

Why is it that the first post of the day is you saying

"oh no, the scum have

framed

me?"

If you were town, I don't think you'd be as concerned about whether we are indicating you as scum or not as you would be about trying to find the actual scum.

Scumpoints to XScorpion. Targets of night actions don't normally know they've been targeted. The fact that XScorpion's mind jumped to that just seems... off.

Also scumpoints to nopoint. Barring that one line above, scorpion is making some good points.

Vote: XScorpion

FoS: Nopoint

The whole point of hypocopping was so that an actual cop could reveal there results, without getting offed straight away. and the unreliability comes from the scum's tailor ability. geddit?

[Chronopie]

@EMP: because the fact that XScorpion's mind jumped to the conclusion of 'scum have framed me <nopoint>' indicates (to me) that he has more reason than usual to keep the framing ability of the scum team in mind. i.e. is scum.

[XScorpion]

The whole point of hypocopping was so that an actual cop could reveal there results, without getting offed straight away. and the unreliability comes from the scum's tailor ability. geddit?

Hey, guess what? You can frame people without tailoring them. It's called killing townspeople who are suspicious of other townspeople.

I would love to hear your case on how I'm SV's scumbuddy, and who my partner is.

[Chronopie]

Day 1:

iso #51:

I simply think Chronek is more likely to be scum than SV.

(It took you this long to mention SV)

iso#55:

I personally find people that make bs cases (Chronek) tend to be more often scum than people who just bandwagon (SV). Not to mention that at least SV is trying to defend himself...
Honestly I don't have a major preference between Chronek or SV, I just think that they are the most likely to be scum.

(Distancing, while subtly pushing for someone else's lynch over your buddy?)

Iso 70-75: aggressively pushing for a chnorek lynch over an SV lynch.

iso 76:

i have but i will keep it for myself otherwise you will consider it as buddying or distancing.

I had been thinking about this thread over dinner, and I was all set to come back and vote for chronek to prove I'm not his buddy.

This is why these two should be lynched. They are not scumhunting. They are hiding things from town. If they are town then I am a two-headed giraffe.

(Pushing for a chnorek lynch, and distancing SV, whom you haven't been pushing as a lynch candidate over the last few posts)

iso 87 + 88:

Can you give a good reason why Chnorek is less likely to be scum than SV?

Ok, can you tell me why SV is MORE likely to be scum?

iso 93:

Here, I'll split the votes more evenly.
unvote
Vote: Shattered Viewpoint
It's now 4 votes for Chnorek, 4 votes for Shattered. Either one can be lynched, it doesn't matter to me since I think they're both scum.

Flip-Flopping much?

then there's this gem:

SCORE
unvote
Vote: Mavs

Someone claimed scum, take the heat off my scumbuddies

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I'll do Day 2 later. bbl

[XScorpion]

(It took you this long to mention SV)

ISO 22. The fact that you missed this indicates that you spent basically no time at all trying to come up with this case.

(Distancing, while subtly pushing for someone else's lynch over your buddy?)

Or not caring which is lynched because either are scum?

(Pushing for a chnorek lynch, and distancing SV, whom you haven't been pushing as a lynch candidate over the last few posts)

Oh yes, distancing. I have a feeling that you're going to use that argument to summarize basically everything I did on day 2.

Flip-Flopping much?

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that it was anti-town to think more than one person is scum?

Someone claimed scum, take the heat off my scumbuddies

Confessed scum > potential scum for lynchinz.

Hypocrite much?

On everything regarding pushing Chnorek over SV:
1) We don't know Chnorek/EMP is town yet, it's easily possible that both are scum.
2) You're gonna need a better reason to explain why I spent basically all of day 2 trying to get SV lynched, refusing to vote for Chnorek even when the rest of you were, and so forth.

Your argument sucks. Use your head: Is it really that likely that I've spent the majority of the game trying to kill my own scumpartner, when I've had so many attempts to get Chnorek lynched instead?

And by the way:

because the fact that XScorpion's mind jumped to the conclusion of 'scum have framed me <nopoint>' indicates (to me) that he has more reason than usual to keep the framing ability of the scum team in mind. i.e. is scum.

I agree that it's scummy to jump to the idea of tailoring. Ironically, you are the first person to bring up the notion today, so by your own argument, you are scummy.

[kunkstar7]

Quick hypocop results:

Innocent on Xscorpion
Guilty on Chronopie

More stuff next post when I finish reading the new stuffs.

[kunkstar7]

Looking at SV's hypocop results from yesterday he stated imaginality is town and nopointinactingup as scum. I have a feeling that he chose a townie as his innocent and his partner as scum, subtle bussing. With SV flipping scum I still think that Empking(chnorek) is a possible partner, and nopoint is also likely. Need to review in depth the interactions between these players. Not sure whats really going on in Day 3's posts, like my mind isn't comprehending anything at this moment. Hopefully I'll get my head back into this in the morning after some sleep.

[Chronopie]

@Deer: Please enighten me as to how XScorp is being pro-town. Then please tell me how someone not being pro-town deserves to live, and hurt town further. Thanks, ever so.

We are not here to lynch anti-town people, we are here to lynch scum. You are not hunting for scum, you are hunting for someone who you think you can convince people to lynch. THIS IS SCUMMY.

My bad. I was looking for you mentioning Shattered, rather than just replying to him

[Chronopie]

and the flip-flopping was the fact that you'd been pushing chnorek hard, but voted SV to balance the VC.

[nopointinactingup]

Looking at SV's hypocop results from yesterday he stated imaginality is town and nopointinactingup as scum. I have a feeling that he chose a townie as his innocent and his partner as scum, subtle bussing. With SV flipping scum I still think that Empking(chnorek) is a possible partner, and nopoint is also likely. Need to review in depth the interactions between these players. Not sure whats really going on in Day 3's posts, like my mind isn't comprehending anything at this moment. Hopefully I'll get my head back into this in the morning after some sleep.

Exactly. Except why would he bother think ahead to buss me if he's the one being wagoned? I think SV would more likely to choose an innocent as scum objectively speaking. However, I agree with the apparent connection between Empking/Chronek and SV. I'm sure many are still aware of the fact that SV shifted his vote to Chronek to make him look townie. That can only be accomplished with Chronek flipping scum. Thus, it is highly likely that Chronek/ Empking is scum and SV tried to buss his partner to boost his reputation.

[Amished]

Votecount 3.1

nopoint (1): XScorpion, Empking
Empking (1): Deer
XScorpion (1): Chronopie

Not voting (4): kunkstar7, imaginality, GroupThink, nopointinactingup

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Also, with 8 alive, the deadline is Tuesday, June 29th

[XScorpion]

and the flip-flopping was the fact that you'd been pushing chnorek hard, but voted SV to balance the VC.

And he turned out to be scum. How does this make me scummy?

[kunkstar7]

Thus, it is highly likely that Chronek/ Empking is scum and SV tried to buss his partner to boost his reputation.

Good point, except except I think with the beginning of that response you missed the fact that I was saying SV was preparing to bus you if he needed to fakeclaim cop.

[imaginality]

If SV was thinking about fake-claiming cop, he would've done, I think. Certainly rather than self-hammer, he could've said "OMG you guys, I'm cop! Now stop voting me!" So I don't think he'd have chosen nopoint as his guilty with fake-claiming in mind. For me it's fairly null because of the wifom around whether to choose a buddy or not.

I agree with the points against chnorek/Empking - the way those D1 wagons went definitely left me with the impression they're buddies.

I'm going to do a re-read this evening, so expect more then (~12hrs from now), might have time for a couple more short posts before then though.

[Empking]

Amish - Is the VC on nopoint correct?

[Amished]

No, he has 2 votes; but I can't edit...

No, there's no weird vote mechanics due to a role (it's an open game...)

[imaginality]

My current reads:

Town: Deer, GroupThink, kunkstar7, XScorpion
Scum: chnorek, Chronopie, nopointinactingup

Chronopie's recent post makes no sense to me because he says "take the heat off my scumbuddies" about XS's reaction to mav's scumclaim, but his earlier points argue that chnorek is town due to XS's willingness to see him lynched rather than SV.

Re-read got blocked by the server move, and not being able to iso players kinda sucks at the moment. But I'm going to look at chnorek, Chronopie and nopoint for possible pairings. For now I think nopoint and Chronopie is most likely. Not going to vote nopoint yet though because that would put him on L-1 too soon for my liking.

[nopointinactingup]

SV's "trying to look town by voting Chronek post" points to Chronek/Empking being obvious scum. I don't see the need for any further hesitation.

vote:Empking

[Empking]

SV's "trying to look town by voting Chronek post" points to Chronek/Empking being obvious scum. I don't see the need for any further hesitation.

vote:Empking

What was the point of the original hesitation?

[nopointinactingup]

To see how would you reply. But you don't reply at all though you certainly were very much focussed on the game ( paying attention to the details of the votecount ).