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Lets start with this!
Vote: Vayre
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unvote
vote Rain
for not giving a reason for voting
don't do that again
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Voting without reason is usually due to bandwagonning
while getting a majority of votes is the goal to lynch, just voting is scummy
think of it this way
7 people left in a game
2 are scum
2 people vote person A with good reasons posted and discussed
Person B decides, okay vote! and gives no explination
Next day, ESPECIALLY if person A was town, person B gets criticized because a hammer without explanation is usually an EXTREME scumtell
Now, remember scum gets 1 nk per night
so youre down to 3 town 2 scum, what we call lylo, or lynch or lose
if person B is town, too bad because typically everyone will jump on person B
person B gets lynched
scum win
therefore, I am stopping the problem before it starts
because if you don't, you get games like this
http://alphasitedown.webs.com/apps/foru ... mple-mafia
Hellraiser is the focal point
Also, exactly how new is everyone here?ShowBannedformonotony!
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Reread. Think. Then respond. Hey, possibly evenreadthe game I posted a link to to see what I mean.
It's a short one, relatively.
*sigh* but I guess Ill repeat myself in a way better suited for those that are... thought challanged
reason for my warning
I posted a reason
He did not
Thing is it WAS jvs when I posted. A joke reason, though with no valid reason WHATSOEVER still posts a reason.
But no reason does not, instead it gives nothing for the rest of the players to go off of and just makes the person look scummy
I am not being hypocritical
I am merely trying to help out for later points in the game, because (in case you missed it the first time) I have been in games that have had no-reason voting before
and guess what? A townie got lynched because he was stupid. I'm trying to prevent this
Again, in case you missed it, i will post the link to above game as proof that I'm not just blowing steam outta my ass
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And uh... by the way its Xite, pronounced Zite... (no anger-face, just letting you know ^___^)ShowBannedformonotony!
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No, lemme show it to youMirhawk wrote:My Comment had nothing to do with your reasoning about bandwagons, but rather that fact that you changed you vote to a person for doing something that essentially you had just done.
Bolded part showed where I had a reasonMe wrote:Lets start with this!
Vote: Vayre
Because I said so
Again, I agree it is invalid and not at all an argument
but it is a statement as to why, also known as a reason in english
And once again
I put this in there for a reasonme wrote:Reread. Think. Then respond
I want you toreread
I want you tothink
THENI want you to respond
The point is that I don't want someone voting with no posted reason to vote
or, as stated before, a statement as to why
Like i said, my first vote was a joke vote, something that happens in the beginning of a game but, was there a statement as to why?
Think of the third quote
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Sorry, I thought I had answered my own question, but on reread, I guess I didn't.
I've played more games than I can count irl, but those are a whole different ball game considering you can get more of an exact reaction read there. (thanks to that wonderful thing called body language)
As for online games, I have played a total of two completed games. I say completed because the site died while a game was in progress for another, so you can decided to count the third as experience or not.
I have one of the games in the links in my two of my previous posts, and if you want the other for meta reasons, I have no problem giving it.
I will warn you though, it will do little to nothing considering it's been like a year and my irl games have made me more ballsy. Not to mention, the two play styles are pretty different between those games anyways.
Besides, though specific player meta is so terribly fun[/sarcasm], that's not why I asked for experience.
I just want to know exactly how new everyone is, so I can gage how nice -not- to be
Typically the newer you are the nicer I am, again look at hellraiser, he had never even heard of mafia before that game, which was why I was so nice, but even with him, i did decide on a policy lynch. I will do what is best for town,even if that means lynching someone for the greater goodbut as long as you aren't stupid, it wont come to that and everything will be fine. Sound good?ShowBannedformonotony!
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Xite91 wrote:Besides, though specific player meta is so terribly fun[/sarcasm], that's not why I asked for experience.
I just want to know exactly how new everyone is, so I can gage how nice -not- to be
Typically the newer you are the nicer I am, again look at hellraiser, he had never even heard of mafia before that game, which was why I was so nice, but even with him, i did decide on a policy lynch. I will do what is best for town,even if that means lynching someone for the greater goodbut as long as you aren't stupid, it wont come to that and everything will be fine. Sound good?
Wow... out of context response is out of context?Lateralus22 wrote:
Er what... Are you saying you've already decided a policy lynch on (Rain?) (Wait... who's hellraiser?) aren't you taking RVS stage a little too seriously, or are you rushing towards the lynch?Xite91 wrote: Typically the newer you are the nicer I am, again look at hellraiser, he had never even heard of mafia before that game, which was why I was so nice, but even with him, i did decide on a policy lynch. I will do what is best for town,even if that means lynching someone for the greater goodbut as long as you aren't stupid, it wont come to that and everything will be fine. Sound good?
Read bolded part. This post had nothing to do with Rain at all tbh.
I was simply pointing out my hatred of stupidity and my ideology that a stupid townie is just as bad as scum, and should be treated as such
If you read my earlier post, you'd see that I mentioned hellraiser as the focal point of an old game, a sort of how not to play like super-noob if you will.
I was saying that we all will be on good terms if we all read and think first, then post
remember this?
Simple request is simpleme wrote:Reread. Think. Then post.
My main hope for this game is to get people (including myself) to play better, since that's what noob games are for
If I want a bandwagon you'll know. I will do my best to call them out, get them to respond, and respond accordingly until I have a good tell on, once I do, I will post my reasons, then I will try to get people to find OTHER reasons, and posts those, once it's obvious to me that the person is scum, I will push a wagon, but not before. Honestly, I would have no problem with D1 going till deadline before we decide to vote, as long as there is always good content.
The more we find out early game, the better off we are late game
And, no I am not even worried about RVS, if I was, then I'd be posting more than this even for the flaws of other people, Random Vote Stage is RANDOM, simple as that, but if you look at any other post (or game for that matter) there is always a reason (see above post is you don't understand that a randomreasonis still a reason, and is fine in RVS), and when there is not, there is a discussion on it, much like this oneShowBannedformonotony!
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o.0 The name of the site is AlphaSiteDown... kind of a long storyLateralus22 wrote:(Yes I did click on the first link to the site you gave and it only showed a freewebs site that said "Alpha site down" so I figured the site was down so I wouldn't be able to find any mafia games to see this hellraiser person you're speaking about. All I saw were some mafia rules below and I did not look on any other pages.)
As for the rules, that was the beginning of the game. I followed the link myself to make sure it was right (as I always do, i like to make my points as easy to access as possible.) It follows to the page I intended it to follow. That's the mod posting rules about that game is all. Read a bit farther and you'll see hellraiser... and quite a few mistakes
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Oh, of course. The thing is that a majority of stupid things like my example happen as a result of people not being warned in the first place. I'm not saying that you would do that, but I have to assume you would and fix the problem before there is one. It has very little to do with this game, just something not to do... ever, it just causes problems.Rain wrote:Person B and I have probably wrote the same exact post, but the conditions were different. In this example, it looks as if B's post jumps in a bandwagon against A, and indeed looks scummy. However, mine was clearly in the RVS. My reasoning was that voting without reason or with an absurd reason (because my gods have willed it) is practically the same. Also, judging a game by numbers alone is misleading. We have no clue to the interactions between persons A and B. While the game you linked may be relevant to the point you're making, one element can not represent the whole.ShowBannedformonotony!
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haha searching out OMGUS voters already?Lateralus22 wrote:
Was this vote truly random or was the fact that [O]rphen voted for you earlier influenced your vote?Vayre wrote:Right now not really and good reasons up, soo.
eenie meenie miney moe
Vote: [O]rphen
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It's not a random lynch, it's a random vote, it's for jokes and yes (hence, RVS or random vote stage), it does get the game rolling because otherwise people would have no REAL place to start.Computing wrote:Is it normal to randomly lynch people right at the beginning? It seems like it would be a bit illogical for a townie to do so to me :/
But I suppose it gets the game rolling...
1) It is not tiny and insignificant if it happens again, that's why it was a warning[O]rphen wrote:All this talk, and all this blabbing on aboutsomething tiny and insignificant is sidetracking us1, and is anti-town behavior.Get over it, it's RVS, all the other3. Alsoreasons2 for voting are insignificant, and mainly ignored, at least by medoubt a scum would vote without supplying a reason and bring so much attention to himself.4
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2)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp71xMnNTLU
you know what? I'm just going to post a link to myself in ISO so you can read everything I have said.
search.php?author_id=13837&sr=posts
now what you do here^ is you read through everything it says I posted in here (for those of you who don't know how to find that, look to the left under my name)
actually I'll make it even easier, but you actually have to do some work.
First, follow the striked out link.
Second, click return to advanced search.
Third, where it says search for author, put my name Xite91
Fourth, in search in forums, click the road to rome. since this is the only thread I've posted in on the road to rome, it will only show posts from this game.
Now, if you followed instructions well, you should be able to click search and see only what you need to.
3) The point for RVS is that we get the game started, which means you read the posts and try to analyze them to get a scumtell. Granted these are usually not that great, they start to get better as time progresses and you have more of them, without RVS this would be hard to start. Therefore you should refer to a quote I can see using at least 1441456438756982746582745629876 times this game
if you have questions to what this quote means, follow the first instruction. I clarify in one of my posts.me wrote:Reread. Think. Then post
4) First off, this is wifom and should we really use it in RVS?
Second, it doesn't really matter in some scenarios, like I said before. Therefore
Public Service Announcement
AGAIN I will say that I AM ONLY TRYING TO FIX A PROBLEM BEFORE IT STARTS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO ADDRESS IT IN THE FUTURE.
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@Orphen
1)a)I've played noob games before. I always expect the worst. Sorry guys, that's just how it's gotta be to help grow.[O]rphen wrote:1) If it happens again(which it won't, do you really think that bad of us?)a we'll deal with it then. Reacting this heavily overnoRVSreasonb? Just a warning? It's a warning that sidetracked us quite a bit, you could of just said"hey would you mind telling us the reason behind the votec, cause if we dont put our reasoning then the scum can vote without giving reasons and itd be really hard to scumhunt." Yet you didnt.You've just dragged on and on about the same thing, and keep repeating the same points over and over again.d
2)??? We have ISO in new forum. Down the bottoma. "Display posts by user:"And if you could be bothered to link the first one, why not do it for the second one?b Why the guide? This isn't the first time you've blabbed on about something pointless. 2 pages in and you've already gone off-topic many times.
3)Yes, i know what the point of rvs. Why are you telling me thisa? I just said that i find it mostly useless. And the quote.Why are you telling me this?b I know what i'm posting, if i didn't mean or post what i wanted to, or made a mistake, i'll come back and highlight that. I dont need you telling me to rethink what im posting.
4) Now you bring up the point it was "just RVS."So why are making such a big deal out of it?a Are you thinking he is using WIFOM now?Why did you add the public service announcement?b
Your reacting heavily to slightest nudge. Do you feel in danger?
b) That's better.
c)
And my reasoning shows itself there^Rain wrote:Hell, I felt in danger when Xite warned me; though I was confident no reason for voting wasn't a big deal, the danger of Xite forming a bandwagon against me wasn't non-existent.
Will he ever do it again? Probably not
d) Hence the link to Stewie... You know the new sites iso mechanic (see 2a) Go back and read what I've said. I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DROP IT BUT YOU KEEP WANTING AN ENCORE FROM ME. How could I not be inclined to dance?
2)a) Why thank you, that one I did not catch
b)This one's simple. The link was too long. It would not show in my post.
3)a) refer to 1a
b)refer to 1d
Why no sir, I do not feel in danger. I never feel endangered until someone is grabbing the rope and and people are crying kill her (him?) kill her (him?)!!! This is about L-2. I reacted heavily because of 1d and 3a
@Rain
You good sir are a freaking genius and probably my new favorite noob to this game. (Sorry Kevin)Rain wrote:To be fair, Orphen, Xite's two posts (posted Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:11 pm and Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:12 pm) seem to acknowledge that I understood my mistake, then moved on to something else. Which leads me to believe you've rekindle his overreaction and blown it out of proportion.
Since you obviously want to talk about this, then let's talk. Judging by your posts, just about everything you accused Xite of doing (diverting on a tangent, overreacting) isn't exclusive to him. In just two posts, you've covered a new feature in this forum, discussed what seems to be just a neat typography, and dragged on about RVS. In Xite's defense, he was discussing RVS because of my mistake and other people's curiosity. You, on the other hand, could have let this topic dropped. Instead, you decided to write a long post riddled with questions, which does a great job at increasing your post's word count while hiding your own intentions and beliefs.
While I do feel that talking about yourself is a good way to get things going, it should be considered unwise to mention that your first and only game on this site was a miserable failure. I sincerely believe past performances does not automatically reflect on future expectations (your style of play may differ, some might even say you've improved), however, on occasions, they do... rhyme.
Also, asking if someone feels in danger? Hell, I felt in danger when Xite warned me; though I was confident no reason for voting wasn't a big deal, the danger of Xite forming a bandwagon against me wasn't non-existent. In his stead, I would feel in danger too, under pressure of at least 3 people's attention. In addition, I'm sure you remember that out of 9 of us here, 2 can kill at night. Are you suggesting you feel safe from these night kills?
The following is just a side note, admittedly a tangent to this discussion but not totally off topic. Also, it relieves a bit of tension set on Orphen. Did anyone notice the irony of me not posting a reason? I understand that any reason whatsoever may be a good reason in RVS, just to get the ball rolling. But my lack of one actually sparked a more interesting conversation. Imagine if I had added "because I saw his name in the clouds" as a reason...
But, try not to defend other players, it only turns out bad for you no matter who you defend. Trust me.
Okay, soFos Orphen
Reasons
[0] Falling under peer pressure (This is obviously a joke do not take it as more)
[1] Overreacting to myoverreactions
[2] Trying to build a case on me out of something that should have just been a don't do this, okay? okay!
[3] In doing so;
[a] Diluting the thread with useless information
Trying to get me to do the same (and sadly, succeeding)
[c] Making it harder for town to read into things others are saying
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@Lateralus
Considering I already responded to the rest of what you're saying in my huge post, I'll just answer your question.
Yes and No
Yes because of 1a in my previous post. Also, I love having a little fun. You'll find that most of the time in this game, I'm not so much angry, just enjoying myself.
No because the obvious. How many times did I explain it? How many times did i have to quote my reread think then post thing?
Btw the reason I quoted it so many times was because it seemed like no one was reading my posts... Obviously I was at least a little right.
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No, that was more towards Orphen. He seems to be trying very hard to make a case on me out of nothingLateralus22 wrote:
Do my questions make you feel that way, if so that was not my intention.Xite wrote:Unless youre trying to lead a wagon on me and get me lynched because I'm an easy targetShowBannedformonotony!
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This^ is reason 1 why youre my favorite. I could not help but see your humor and smile a little to myself. You remind me quite a bit of myself and how I played when I first started. You mess with people while posting, and even throw some good points out there (though they will not hold up for a wagon, but will get good reactions for scumtells)Rain wrote:@Computing
Would the corollary be that you would retract your vote if Xite changes his avatar? How about if I had an avatar portraying SpongeBob SquarePants, would I gain your trust instead?Computing wrote:In that case I'm afraid it's got to be you for getting the Powerpuff Girls theme in my head
@Vayre
That's not fair. Why exclude other people from being your target? Anyone could have a number of illusionary scumtells: Nachmamma could be lurking (is that the correct term?), Mirhawk never voted despite knowing full well we are in RVS, Computing has no taste in TV shows (do you really know their theme song by heart? o_O), Mrdean voted and never posted again, Lateralus pitted Orphen and Xite against each other with well crafted questions. I'm omitting Xite and Orphen because I am under the impression those two were already in the pool of your potential targets.
Notice that I also omitted myself because, hey, that would be just plain irresponsible. What I'm saying is that you shouldn't base your judgment on who's not popular at the moment but rather on what people say, how they react, and on the flame posts that I'm bound to receive after this post.
My second reason is that you seem to be the only one that actually understood my warning you. I applaud you for taking criticism well and at least making me feel like you've learned from it.
Third, you're smart, and you let it known. Pretty much you have the potential to be one of the greats in mafia if you keep up what youre doing.
Fourth, you like megatokyo. that is a plus
Voting for you was part of the warning. But there's a reason it's still on you and not orphen.rain wrote:@Xite
You've voted for me, gave me a warning, and crowned me your favorite newbie. As flattered as I am, don't you think it's a bit contradictory? I understand that your random vote was Vayre, so your vote for me being random is unlikely. I think we've discussed the no-reason thing for RVS at length, so I doubt that's the main reason (or is it still?). I notice you've cast a Finger of Suspicion on Orphen for 5-6 reasons. Is there anything that makes me more scummy than him at the moment?
Look at the vote count. I'm not sure if it's still accurate (probably not) but I don't want to get orphen at L-2 yet, because I want to get a little more of a read on him first. I'm pretty sure he's scum, but what if i'm wrong? That could mess lots up, hence, FoS instead. I will vote when I am about 90% sure.
That being said, I don't think there should ever be a time where someone is not voting, especially in a noob game. Vote counts help replacements, something noob games typically have a lot of, because it shows replacements at a glance how things are going, and I really don't care to find another random reason to vote.
If you want any more of a reason, you may have learned your lesson, but youre still in time-out until I say so.ShowBannedformonotony!
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Funny thing is I am scum hunting.Lateralus22 wrote:Rain wrote:If he's town then I still believe he is overreacted and should focus more on the game at hand. He doesn't need to post long paragraphs, a simple answer would help the game move along smoother. While he's tried to help the town understand good game mechanics he should be more focused on scum hunting.
I do have a case on orphen do I not?
Also, from my actions, I am gaging reactions. Simple as that.
Also, I gave my reason why I wasn't so kind.
In non-newbie games I tend to be a little nicer about it because it's not as likely for it to happen again.
Whether I'm scum or town is irrelevant to this^, I tend to have a god-complex in newbie games because I feel I have a bit more to offer to them opposed to games i'm playing with players more experienced than me, irl and online. But, alas I am meta-gaming myself and will now shut up.ShowBannedformonotony!
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Who do I suspect? Everyone.Lateralus22 wrote:
Only after someone voted for Although I guess that doesn't really matter. Is Orphen the only one person you suspect of being scum at the moment? Did you think anyone was else was scum before then?Xite91 wrote: Funny thing is I am scum hunting.
I do have a case on orphen do I not?
Also, from my actions, I am gaging reactions. Simple as that.
What reactions have you gotten out of people? All I recall is Mirhawk calling you a hypocrite and Rain telling you he understands what you're saying. (Or are you counting Orphen's case against you as a reaction? )
Who do I suspect based on merit?
Honestly, Orphen is on the top of my list
After him are you and Mirhawk
I could be biased but Rain seems really townie to me
As for everyone else? They really haven't posted enough for me to decide.
Honestly Lateralus I would give you a case on you and Mirhawk if I had one, but it's not so much something youve done as much as just a suspicion that you're scum, which is why I haven't said anything.
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Oops, preview is my friend... sorry about that, I probably deleted a post I decided was irrelevant to my case and accidently left the quote there.Rain wrote:instead of:
Again, I recognize it's not game breaking. Perhaps I'm just afflicted with aLateralus22 wrote:Rain wrote:If he's town then I still believe he is overreacted and should focus more on the game at hand. He doesn't need to post long paragraphs, a simple answer would help the game move along smoother. While he's tried to help the town understand good game mechanics he should be more focused on scum hunting.littleOCD.
And actually it could be game breaking, imagine someone misreads it and run a whole case against you and then you're lynched on someone else's quote. Good catchShowBannedformonotony!
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Computing is scum. Lynch computing.Computing wrote:But rly, just trying to participate in the RVS; my vote will change if I think someone is suspicious orif it looks like he's close to being lynched.
I'll start this bandwagon.
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unvote, vote:whoever has the least amount of votes, sorry mod, don't know who that is
because they have the least amount of votes
sorry, I misread that. I thought you were saying that you would vote whoever looked like they were going to get lynched. My bad.ShowBannedformonotony!
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Haha, no problem, it was more my fault anyways. I'm in the middle of a really dumb game that makes me jumpy on everyone as all hell because it's nothing but 70 pages of spam spam spam and pissing me offComputing wrote:@Xite Oh, thank goodness, I'm sorry my post was unclear.
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WTH does this have to do with anything? o.0Rain wrote:@Mirhawk
I would venture a guess and say most people change their underpants frequently during the year, probably 90% of the time, maybe even more. By your line of reasoning, should we throw away all underpants and do without?
That was rhetorical. Please do not answer, especially if you're a guy.
I don't expect you to trust me or anyone else, like I said I suspect all of you, but you, rain, seem to be the least threatening, therefore the most town.
Next, meta is an iffy thing, sometimes it's great, sometimes it's not. But this is a noob game, therefore meta is not that great because this is typically where play styles change the most.ShowBannedformonotony!
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Posting all of your quotes I will use in your last post in order using 1,2,3,4..
1a. Okay, so you get a bad read on me? Now build a case on it and lets play some mafia![O]rphen wrote:1)a) Rather then what he sidetracked this game from, but rather the impression that i got that he was trying to sidetrack it.
b) Yes and no. Posting nothing rather then something useless is better. Or he could of posted useful things. If you get what i mean.
c) No, it was not what i was going for.
d) No, in no way did i try to get a bandwagon on him, nor would i think anyone would try to get a bandwagon started thru scum-hunting on the second page.
2)No, in no way did i, lets say question you, because you are an easy target, or an easy bandwagon. I don't know how you get this impression that i am doing such, and think you are just trying to blow out what i said in order to make what i said seem more "lethal."
3)Ok my bad, guess i rushed reading through the thread. TBH i read through the read and got a bad feel from Xite, coupled that with me thinking "wow why do you keep talking about the same thing," and decided to go with it. Must remember to re-read the thread before posting
So, i take back my previous posts on the reasons why you are scummy Xite. Yet that still doesn't clear you. I'm pretty sure your a wolf at this stage. I cannot really grasp why i think you are a wolf, just a combination of your posts.
4)Your scum hunting? Doesn't seem like it to me. Seems like all you've done is responded to everyone else. You don't even want to vote me. Why don't you want to put a vote on me? Do you feel that me being on L-2 would be a bad thing, and that i will get hammered injustly? Or that suspicion will be drawn to yourself because you put me at L-2?
5)Any particular reason why you added the first paragraph? We're not here to make friends. (which i'm guessing is the reason behind it (like, you posted that so that people wouldnt get upset if you turned on them all of a sudden))
6)And i don't really see a reason as to why you posted that (my previous game, that it), i dont mind you guys reading it, im more interested as to why youd post it. As you can see, that game i was a wolf, failed badly (imo), made it obvious who my partner was, then subsequently raged and replaced out because a post failed. Although didn't do as a bad as my replacement .
1b. Actually, starting by posting something useless is the best way to do it, problem is that you have to build a rather weak case around the useless post, have them fight it, then proceed to read reactions, build a stronger case and so on until you're sure they're scum. If you decide they're not, you then explain why and back off.
1c. Well then what WERE you going for?
1d. If I had a good enough reason, I would
2. Ooh, avoiding my accusation and instead putting one on me! We got a feisty one town, hang em high!
3. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/02/ ... 33x423.jpg
So if you had taken my advice this all could have been avoided? o.0
And refer back to 1a.
4. As opposed to not responding to everyone else and not adding anything to the game? *scratches head*
Honestly, I would love to put you at L-2, id like even better to put you at L-1, even better, I can go grab the rope. Thing is there's two problems with that
1 - at least one of those (i think) is still a random vote.
2 - I don't want to push a vote too hard that im not at least 90% sure of, but (in honor of our mighty mod and the all powerful Mal) let me make this abundantly clear, you're at about 87.9% and pushing it
5. I am. Needless to say, more hostile friends that I have no problem lynching, but friends all the same.
6. If anyone tries to meta for this, I will personally hunt them down and bitch-slap them. He agrees that he failed badly, and thus could have read up on games and gotten much better at it. Remember, meta in noob games is all but pointless.ShowBannedformonotony!
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1) I crossed out over on mine indicating that I really didnt see it as an overreaction. I figured that I had to repost as many times as I did because after the first two people were still asking and therefore did not understand. So I tried to make it easier for them. The fifth one might have been, but I was tired of saying the same thing, wouldn't you be?mirhawk wrote:
1) This one makes some sense to me, but it seems like you are saying that we should vote for him based on something that you yourself had done. Or are you saying that you never actually overreacted?Xite91 wrote: Okay, so Fos Orphen
Reasons
[0] Falling under peer pressure (This is obviously a joke do not take it as more)
[1] Overreacting to myoverreactions
[2] Trying to build a case on me out of something that should have just been a don't do this, okay? okay!
[3] In doing so;
[a] Diluting the thread with useless information
Trying to get me to do the same (and sadly, succeeding)
[c] Making it harder for town to read into things others are saying
2) I can kinda understand that, but from my point of view it seems kinda like you were the one who wouldn't just let it drop. I mean you could have just said that your reasons were in your previous posts, but instead every time it was mentioned you posted a whole new spiel about it.
3a) Where exactly was he doing that?
3c) In what way? Do you think he was deliberately trying to discredit you? And if so how?
4) This is the only part in your later accusation that seems to hold any real water. But then again in all fairness you never answered his question either.
5) Do you have anyspecificthings that you suspect him for, or is this based mostly off what you feel?
6) @Lateralus
I don't agree with this. I think that a mafia player would be more inclined to be active. It is after all in their best interests to move the game forward quickly, particularly if they can steer it towards a townie.Lateralus wrote: I believe the scum would prefer to stay on the sidelines instead of move the game forward.
2)See 1.
3a) Reread the thread and tell me how much game content has been added by him? Less than me to say the least. And like I said, when I have a good enough case and I am 90% sure, I will do everything in my power to get him lynched because I really do feel like he's scum.
3c) It's a lot harder to scumhunt when there's no real content in posts referring to the game, no matter who's. He was putting up filler and prodding me to do the same, like I said, sadly I gave in to him, I'll admit my mistakes.
4) What question, I might have missed it. I'll answer anything you throw at me if you want.
5) Yes, it is mostly a gut feeling, but I have my points on him and when I vote I will be sure to reiterate them and add more even. But you have to wait until he says more for me to do that.
6) WIFOM is good WIFOM is great WIFOM is something we can always rely on.
But if you REALLY wanna know, scumcoulddo either, which is why you go based on what's said/not said, instead of oh I think scum would wear a pink tutu while they practice karate.ShowBannedformonotony!
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EBWOP: Shit, totally forgot to add this
By the way, I like how you're going, "I kind of understand, but no" on everything.
Sounds a lot like lateralus isn't the only one that's "on the fence" in all this.
Could this be a scumtell? I think so
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I'll answer this... uh no, like I said, rain is closer to my play style, satirical humor + Always a serious scumhunter, even when posting seemingly useless stuff... that's how I'd describe us bothLateralus22 wrote:
Would you be willing to agree that you and Xite have the same playing style in mafia?Mirhawk wrote:Hmm I never really noticed that myself until you pointed it out. Its not intentional, just those are the posts I was responding to. At this point I'm not as suspicious of Xite as I was before anyway. I don't think she defended herself very well, but if I were mafia and in her shoes I would had tried to deflect that conversation off me and onto someone else sooner than she did.
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Okay, but I don't see where it's going and it seems pointless IMHOShowBannedformonotony!
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A) I find it hilarious that you're making a case on him about this and I really hope it was a joke.Computing wrote:A)Hold on, I was answering a question asked of me by Rain about my vote, I didn't make a RVS vote then and I made my initial one before Mirhawk, who was still prompted to make one.
If you were more meaning keeping my vote random until I have greater suspicions, what's wrong with that? I really don't want to get an innocent townie lynched. The spongebob comment was a joke though the fact that you changed your avatar is interesting (though I could just have been massively unobservant and you've had it this whole time if so all this is void and I apologise), was it supposed to make you seem innocent by actively drawing a vote towards yourself or off Xite who you considered to be suspicious but no longer do to the same extent or were you just annoyed that I would change my vote because of something so trivial?
So because I said I would in the presence of a SpongeBob avatar and becuase I'd like to to see what you'll do under pressure:
Unvote, vote [O]rphen
Because I'm still trying to understand the terms and learn the game etc. I have a couple of questions:
1) would the last part of my comments about Orphen be considered WIFOM? It kind of seems like it as a townie would do the same thing because they actually are innocent while scum would do it to make them seem innocent and that's what WIFOM is if my understanding of WIFOM is right (which it probably isn't thus this question)
2) Is a wolf the same thing as scum?
3) Is it okay for me to be asking stuff like this?
Although the pressure thing isn't such a bad idea, I still want more of a read on him before we push it that far. also vayre needs to take off his joke vote first (I think it's still a joke vote@mod does vayre deserve a prod yet?)
1)http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... reviations
http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... y:Glossary
learn it, love it.
2) Wolf is the same thing as scum, I expect whoever used it to have some experience irl, because it's used more widely irl games (most of the time called werewolves instead of mafia)
3) This is a noob game, you're encouraged to ask this stuff as long as you actually learn it and don't have to keep asking.ShowBannedformonotony!
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Damn EBWOP again
in order of his posts:Mirhawk wrote:
What exactly is it that makes his posts have no content other than the fact that they were directed at you? He only has four posts for crying out loud.Xite91 wrote: 3a) Reread the thread and tell me how much game content has been added by him? Less than me to say the least. And like I said, when I have a good enough case and I am 90% sure, I will do everything in my power to get him lynched because I really do feel like he's scum.
3c) It's a lot harder to scumhunt when there's no real content in posts referring to the game, no matter who's. He was putting up filler and prodding me to do the same, like I said, sadly I gave in to him, I'll admit my mistakes.
-the first is RVS
-the second is voicing suspicions about you
-the third is in response to you
-and in the fourth he both asks and answers questions to and from multiple players.
1) Joke vote, not a problem
2) 1sttime saying that I was clogging thread with my warningtalk, say's he ignores RVS completely, WIFOM
3) 2nd time with ^ as an argument,asking a semi-valid question, telling me not to tell him to do something he admitted he needed to do later, castinghis actual suspicion on me
4)Answering questions,asking questions, admitting that he had needed to reread through the thread, questions me for not voting him, questioning Mirhawk for something pointless,mod prod request, making another misread mistake, asking another useless question, talking about his old game, FoS'ed someone for not voting me or him
bolded is what added to the game, answering and asking questions were half and half though, so I bolded those too
Also, in his four posts, it seemed like he was trying to make a case on pretty much everyone.
Yeah, lets throw spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks??
lol reread. again.Mirhawk wrote:
Which is to say, you got nothing but don't want to say it out loud. What reason could you have for withholding it if it might sway more people to vote for him. You are after all 90% sure.... that's pretty certain.xite91 wrote: 5) Yes, it is mostly a gut feeling, but I have my points on him and when I vote I will be sure to reiterate them and add more even. But you have to wait until he says more for me to do that.
I said I won't vote him until I'm 90% sure. I also said I was about %87.9 sure
I'm pretty sure I made that abundantly clear
LolsMirhawk wrote:I said I figured they would be active, not suicidal. Xite couldn't have jumped further out into the spotlight if her head was on fire and was shooting fireworks out of her ass.ShowBannedformonotony!
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Fuck EBWOP again
okay, computing
WIFOM stands for Wine in front of me
Ever seen the princess bride? Remember when the wine was poisoned and the guy had to choose between one or the other practically based on character? (Youre a pussy, so you would never put the drink in front of you, however you know I would think that so you would put it in front of you, but then again..... and so on)
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They're based on Feelings + Data + Personality / Feelings + Data + Personality of other players lolLateralus22 wrote:Also Xite where are your percentages coming from?
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Right here is why WIFOM is mostly pointlessComputing wrote: which is about tying to out manoeuvring your opponent thought logic and then being thwarted by the fact that they weren't even playing your game?
but yes, it's the act of trying to say, well if you were scum, you would do this, (or in some cases, it goes on to -> but you might have thought I would say that so you did the opposite, and so on and so forth)ShowBannedformonotony!
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Oh, and the princess bride isn't the example but it's the best one I could think of, and it's a damn good one anywaysShowBannedformonotony!
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Vote: Mirhawk
He's the second most suspicious in my book and you already know why I'm not voting the first. (Ralus, you need to bold and unvote in order for your vote to be not counted anymore, vayne where the hell are you????!?!!?!)
Secondly, I even said I think you should always be voting, therefore, I now amShowBannedformonotony!
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@Mirhawk
okay, because you obviously won't reread, I'll just show you
Xite91 wrote:Okay, soFos Orphen
Reasons
[0] Falling under peer pressure (This is obviously a joke do not take it as more)
[1] Overreacting to myoverreactions
[2] Trying to build a case on me out of something that should have just been a don't do this, okay? okay!
[3] In doing so;
[a] Diluting the thread with useless information
Trying to get me to do the same (and sadly, succeeding)
[c] Making it harder for town to read into things others are saying
In case you didn't understand that last metaphorXite91 wrote: in order of his posts:
1) Joke vote, not a problem
2) 1sttime saying that I was clogging thread with my warningtalk, say's he ignores RVS completely, WIFOM
3) 2nd time with ^ as an argument,asking a semi-valid question, telling me not to tell him to do something he admitted he needed to do later, castinghis actual suspicion on me
4)Answering questions,asking questions, admitting that he had needed to reread through the thread, questions me for not voting him, questioning Mirhawk for something pointless,mod prod request, making another misread mistake, asking another useless question, talking about his old game, FoS'ed someone for not voting me or him
bolded is what added to the game, answering and asking questions were half and half though, so I bolded those too
Also, in his four posts, it seemed like he was trying to make a case on pretty much everyone.
Yeah, lets throw spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks??
Throwing spaghetti is a term a borrowed from another game I played where the person makes cases on everyone that looks even a little bit suspicious without making a real stance (or making a single stance and switching it out when other people go after one of the people that were marked by this). It makes it easier to say, hey I made the first case, so I'm not wagoning, I'm just going with what I started with. This makes it much easier to slide past people as looking like town.
^So that people don't call me a hypocrite for this, I need to point out that I have a stance. I believe that the scum in this game, as of now are Orphen and Mirhawk. I have pointed this out before (I FoS'd both of them)
This is my case on him Mirhawk, anything else?ShowBannedformonotony!
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@Lateralus
No, I don't, that's more coincidence then anything else. Honestly, I'm pretty sure at this point everyone seems a bit suspicious of me, but my real case is against Orphen, with a really strong belief that Mirhawk is too, mostly because he seems to be coming to the defense of Orphen, which isn't really a case unless we lynch Orphen and he flips scum. The only real other reason for Mirhawk is just my gut feeling.
As for Orphen, I posted my reasons for him, twice each, so we will not have the same problem as before and people will read it ok?ShowBannedformonotony!
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@RS this might be a pointless question, but I take it Mirhawk is your #1?
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Vayre, I would like you to unvote as soon as you see this okay?
Mostly because I don't want to get him lynched when there is still a joke vote on him, I'm pretty sure everyone else's aren't at this point.
I mean, unless you have good reasoning not to (which I can totally understand as long as you actively add to what's already been said )
@RS that seems enough to get a read on him, but in order for me to be convinced, I need more evidence.ShowBannedformonotony!
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whoops, was supposed to say my case on Orphen... sorry about thatXite91 wrote:This is my case on him Mirhawk, anything else?ShowBannedformonotony!
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RS I'm not casting my suspicions on you until you can give this quote you seemed to suggest you were going to give when you got more rest (you may not have been implying this, but it seemed like it, and if you weren't then I would like to know why you said that)
Orphen, it seems... interesting that you would go missing as soon as I post an actual case on you.ShowBannedformonotony!
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No, you said you didnt, and it seemed like I was trying to make you look like you were in order to make a point. AKA avoiding my accusation by pinning one on me. I'm not sure where you're getting the school comebacks, if that were the case I would have just been forward about it and said "oh yeah? well youre a stupid head."[O]rphen wrote:
Sorry, don't know what your referring to here, because the part you numbered in my post did answer your accusation. You ask if i'm trying to make a target of you because your an easy target. I say i'm not. And tbh, this sounds like one of those primary school comebacks. "Your a loser" says one, the other replies "Wow is that all you got? Only a dumb person would say that."Xite wrote:2. Ooh, avoiding my accusation and instead putting one on me! We got a feisty one town, hang em high!ShowBannedformonotony!
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My internet is down, so I might not be able to get on for a few days, sorry
So, because I have very little time, I already have posted a case on him (so it's not exactly bandwagoning), and I'm practically positive he's scum at this point
Vote: Orphen
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Things I see relevant from Sleepless (hi!)
pg1Sleepless Assassin wrote:On Page 1...
1)~Xite's "warning" comment seems to be taking on a sense of power that she doesn't really have. Kind of a "don't mess with me" kind of thing. Really don't like that.
2)~Xite's rabid pitbull attack on Rain seems to be just an act, trying to blow up a case she doesn't seem to believe. She seems to be just throwing out a lot of words and hoping we all eat bullshit for breakfast.
3)~More talking down at people from Xite.
4)~Xite, your "stupid townie" comment had nothing to do with this game. I don't think it's unreasonable that Lateralus looked at your vote and assume you meant Rain.
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1)~Xite's post about how she acts in newbie games seems to explain a lot.
2)~Rain has inspired me to throw away all of my underpants.
3)~Disagree strongly with Xite's "meta is pointless in newb games" post. With newbs, it's more accurate than ever.
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1)~Xite, remind me. You voted your second suspect and said we "already know" why you aren't voting the first. What did I miss?
2)~Xite's "don't call me a hypocrite" thing is scummy. Acknowledging your actions before anyone can call you on them doesn't make them less scummy.
1. New playstyle hun, learn it, love it
2. It wasn't an attack so much on rain, he got what I meant him to get in probably the warning post, he said he understood why, my attack was on everyone else that kept going, wait what did she say?
Out of game Side note: By the way, thanks for being the only one who calls me a she in this game lol
3. refer to pg1.1
4. Makes sense, i guess I was still really sore about that game
pg3
1 & 2. Lawls
3. Care to explain?
pg5
1. I wanted to get some more posts from orphen before I put him at L-1 or L-2, I'm a still little cautious of it. He only had four posts out at the time, I wanted to give him a bit more of a chance to explain himself
2. If youre talking about my vote on Orphen, I was saying that I would give reasons if asked, but they were practically the same as before(with an extra thing here or there), he just had less votes.ShowBannedformonotony!
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Well, what do you want me to say? I play to win, and I believe in what I have to say? That's scummy now? You didn't even say what posts it was to, so I can't really defend what I was saying.
And yeah, he was at L-2 that's why I said that ISTRShowBannedformonotony!
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lols rain, now how about something in topic?ShowBannedformonotony!
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Sleepless is V/LA, he might have forgotten to say that.
Rain, that's really good information.
I think it's time we start scum-hunting for real tho. We kind of regressed for a few days.
So anyways, I'm still convinced orphen is scum.
Also, I can almost guarantee that rain is town.
Vayre, I'm not sure of you. I needs more posts.ShowBannedformonotony!
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Okay, so lets start conversation.
Who's the two most scummy to everyone?ShowBannedformonotony!
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The rest of your post was interesting, but I don't have much time and I'm here to scumhunt of course.Computing wrote:And I have some more questions:
1. Mafia can only talk to each other during the night, right?
2. What happens if a mafia is replaced? Do they get to see what the previous mafia have talked about or talk at all about different play styles they might have from their predecessors?
3. Several people have stated that they think I'm probably town, is this actually a good thing for me or is it liable to get me killed in the night?
Uh, the questions bother me for some reason. Anyone else?ShowBannedformonotony!
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EBWOP[O]rphen wrote:4 days and no-one has responded to what i've said. Mainly rain/xite.
What did you say, I might have missed it, sorry.
If you want i'll check you out in iso to see, but later like I said, not much time.ShowBannedformonotony!
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Oh that one?
I felt it useless to repost something I already posted AKA my case on you, you're asking me to redo it so you can find holes and call me out on them no?
that's a scumtell most of the time IMO
Also, any other response is for rain to make and well, he's so against the attempt for anyone to "buddy up" with him I figured he could handle it on his own.
Also I typically don't defend other players unless they're %1348197489758943573298675 town in my mind, and that only happens when I know I'm a sane cop and there's no godfathers. Also, I'm pretty sure I said almost guarantee, not just guarantee.
Preview edit: Who are the two candidates?
Why sleepless?
I know him in real life so I'm a little biased on him tbh I know his meta all too well and it just seems like him being him, but if you can present a case to me on his uh 1 post? then I'll take itShowBannedformonotony!
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Okay, computing, you just moved up with rain in the ranks of town for that post.
And in response to my post, that makes a lot of sense, not that it really matters, was there even a night0 in this game?ShowBannedformonotony!
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Okay, makes sense, but it would actually be helpful for everyone if you made a list of the most scummy people, with least at the bottom and most at the top (only do this for the people that look scummy enough you wanna push a case on them, else it just helps scum)ShowBannedformonotony!
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I agree on the vayre point.
But what are your cases on the others? (I know sleepless, just not the others)
Do you have anything to add to the cases against me and Orphen?ShowBannedformonotony!
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Mirhawk, you don't have to post a case on all 4 just your basic reason as to why
Sleepless, not I made them clear because they were already clear, you did it too.
Also, Ima pull some wifom and say that if I were scum I wouldn't be saying that, I'd just nk them and be done with it.
But I said that with those two, because I'd prefer they not end up lynched is all.ShowBannedformonotony!
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Nacho, I'm pretty sure that's not a good reason to go V/LA...ShowBannedformonotony!
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1) He just started in, how long is an age to you? (sorry, but that was an interesting little thing to me)Mirhawk wrote: Fine
Reverse Simplicity:
-originally voted for me for reasons that were essentially moot.
-When pressed for more reasons for his vote he claimed (more than once) that he had other reasons but never got around to posting them.
-When it became apparent that the wagon on me was going nowhere he retracted his vote without supplying a reason.
1) -He hasn't said anything of importance in ages.
Orphan:
-Some of his posts seem more aggressive than they need to be. This may just be the way he acts though.
-I don't really understand the point of his argument with Rain over buddying up.
-He continues to vote for Xite despite having said his original reasons were wrong, and hasn't given new reasons for his vote since then.
Xite:
2) -You keep dismissing peoples questions by telling them to reread things you already said.(or quoting them) Not considering that the reason they asked in the first place is because they didn't like or wanted clarification on your original answer.
3)-Your case against Orphan appears to be held together with twigs and fairy dust. Your original reasons for voting him were pretty flimsy, and despite having now placed your vote on him I not you still haven't stated any real reasons for doing so.
And there you go. Will you perhaps answer you own question now?
4) Also as a side note, are you aware that your posts make up a little over a quarter of the games total posts.
2) Then they should ask for more reasons or clarification on that thing, not for my case, considering that I made my case
3) I have a better case on him coming up (doin the whole iso bit) but I've been drinking about all day and a half and I'm too fuzzy to do anything
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Sorry, that was me doing what I always do with posts like that. I didn't mean to defend sleepless, but I just wanted to point out that he just started so its hard to say anything about him "in ages"
With the top two, I was trying to generate conversation because it was starting to get real slow here. Also, I thought I already pointed out that my top two were you and Orphen... but Nacho definitely seems to have a high chance, too. I'll give stronger cases when I have them though, I don't have an obvscum read on anyone to be honest, just an oh hey, they might be scum.
1 - Are you talking about Lat or Sleepless? Because lat replaced out and you can only hold so much against his replacement. Sleepless, however is actively scumhunting. Yes, he got lazy around the middle, but to be honest I do the same thing when I replace into games. The game's meant to be fun not a super obligation.
2 - In a world where about 80 or so % of the population are idiots, I have to assume. And I understand why people ask questions, I mean I just asked a question about who everyone thinks is scum didn't I?ShowBannedformonotony!
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