Think for a second Nik (no sarcasm intended there). Before Q21 even makes a comment on whether he wants to RC or not we already have 2 people who are against it in some way. You and then Hoopla.
You yourself raised the fact that there is a possibility you are a flavor cop here:
Nikanor wrote:q21 is town,
unless I'm insane
. I suppose there is a mafia roleblocker who blocked me last night, meaning there shouldn't be a mafia godfather unless the town is overpowered.
Now my main problem with him not even being asked to RC is that he avoids any comments that might reflect on your sanity. You may be a straight cop with no sanity issues but if you are insane or naive, then perhaps a clue to that is in how q21 chooses to justify his not RCing if he, in fact, chooses to not RC.
[edit before submit, Hoopla posted while I was composing this]
@Hoopla. I think you pretty much hit on the head. The default is "claim under pressure or claim when you can do the most good for your side" and the requisite suspicions attach to both. With the Mass-Claim, the default flip/flops. Not claiming then automatically becomes suspicious as do those who support a non-claim. Justifying a non-claim becomes almost a prerequisite.
@All Players.
Granted, I believe the odds of Nik being a flavor cop are low. Maybe even low enough to be dismissed out of hand. Part of this is playstyle, I have never been comfortable with mass-claims but have seen how they can be beneficial on occasion (this was one of them, the usual methods aren't working) however, I have never been comfortable with a person being exempt from it without at least justifying why they should be exempt. The player themselves justifying it, not relying on others in the thread to make the argument for him.
And for the Mass RC to be a bit more structured to avoid this type of situation and accomplish what Hoopla said here:
Hoopla wrote:-snip-
When you consider what massclaim aims to do - hopefully confirm people as town or scum, or at least give hints either way on your own (or others) alignment, it doesn't make sense for q21 to claim, because we have already confirmed him as town. I think I followed this logical path without really acknowledging it in my arguments. So, unless he can give reasonable insight into anyone elses alignment from his role information, there is no reason for him to claim, because we gain nothing.
Unfortunately, there is plenty of fodder in the thread now where he can pick and choose reasons not to claim without having to think of any on his own and, again unfortunately, they are all reasons he would use if he were town so there is no way to differentiate between an honest response and a contrived one.
That was one of the reasons I hoped he would post before we got in too deeply. It cuts both ways here.
Town: He uses many of the same reasons advanced and they are honest reasons, but tainted now because of previous discussion.
Scum: He has plenty of usable excuses that bear up under scrutiny and avoids mistakenly pulling a boner that may have some indication, however unlikely that it is, that Nikanor is not a sane cop.
My Uncle always use'ta say, 'You can't get no blood from a turnip.' .... He'd say the same thing about gettin' it from a stone, too.
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I never said nothin' back to him. You don't want mess with no freak that's searchin' around that hard for blood.
silly me?), and your set with 100% unadulterated scum on a rope~
