Newbie 960 - Game Over

[I Am Innocent]

Don't really like your reasons for voting king d here. I kind of see what you mean with that first part with him belittling that type of voting pattern, but I see it more as indicative of playstyle and what he prefers votes be used for than a scum tell. I rarely see scum belittle something that hinders there intentions like that. Same with the second part, for that matter.

I find it interesting that the post of mine you question is the same one where later I throw your name out as a suspect. OMGUS? Also interesting that you did not address my issue with your different play from our previous game and your inability to find anything scummy except with Memnon?

I would have much less of a problem with imkingdavid if he just stated that he is very careful with his votes. But to encourage others not to make a stance until the deadline and subtly make fun of those trying to get some pressure out there using their votes is just scummy.

[inHimshallibe]

K, so that's a lynch. You all string up imkingdavid. He was a

Townie

.

Night 1 begins... now! Power roles have until Tuesday, June 22 @ 6:00 pm CST to get your moves in.

[inHimshallibe]

Day 2 rolls around, and everyone gathers at town square.

Everyone but... Memnon!

Memnon has been killed. Memnon was the Town Cop.

[imkingdavid]

Bah!

Go town.

[I Am Innocent]

Andrew, who did you protect Night 1?

[Sotty7]

Right now I'm thinking Equinox and maybe Skill as scum, if not Skill then I could see Nom as her partner.

Vote: Equinox

Equinox, I want to know your suspects and why they are your suspects. I want to see scum hunting and lots of it. With IKD's flip you are my top suspect by quite aways.

[Equinox]

I said before that I had things I couldn't say until Day 2. That night kill is the reason. I had my doubts about Memnon's cop claim, so I'd planned on lynching the cop to confirm whatever result he had before proceeding to LyLo. Well, I guess that plan is shot, which is better for me.

I'm going to wait for andrew94's response before I say anything else.

Well, Sotty7, here's my answer:

Vote: Skill006

Last night's flip has not only shot down my epic Day 2 plans for mislynching the cop but also shot down the benefit of the doubt I'd given Skill006. Today is Day 2, so whatever Skill006 had to say needs to come out now, particularly regarding the reverse lynch list and the need to wait until Day 2 before deciding on who is scum.

I am amused that you're implying I bussed NomDePlume in Day 1. I'll admit, the rapid vote and unvote does appear to be a bussing attempt. It's not... mainly because I know I'm not scum, but you wouldn't know that, so yeah.

[ToG]

Why are you all interested in Andrew94 doc target ?

It will only show his top town player... nothing else... pretty useless question for a town player...

[I Am Innocent]

Why are you all interested in Andrew94 doc target ?

It will only show his top town player... nothing else... pretty useless question for a town player

...

I disagree with the underlined and would like to see Andrew's answer before I clarify why.

[I Am Innocent]

easjo, please give us your top 2 suspects ASAP, and who you plan to vote for.

Concerned, where are you leaning with your unvote?

[I Am Innocent]

easjo, please give us your top 2 suspects ASAP, and who you plan to vote for.

Concerned, where are you leaning with your unvote?

IGNORE!!!! WRONG GAME. That is what I get for having 2 browsers open...

[Sotty7]

Last night's flip has not only shot down my epic Day 2 plans for mislynching the cop

but also shot down the benefit of the doubt I'd given Skill006.

Can you explain what you mean by the bold?

As for bussing, I wasn't really thinking about that honestly and was just listing my top suspects. I have bussed my partners hard before so I'm not willing to 100% discount it, but I will concede that a Nom/Skill team does work better on first impressions.

[Skill006]

Well, Sotty7, here's my answer:

Vote: Skill006

Last night's flip has not only shot down my epic Day 2 plans for mislynching the cop but also shot down the benefit of the doubt I'd given Skill006. Today is Day 2, so whatever Skill006 had to say needs to come out now, particularly regarding the reverse lynch list and the need to wait until Day 2 before deciding on who is scum.

Its not that I needed to wait until day 2 to figure out who the scum are, there were only a couple of people I wanted to wait on day 2 for (IKD{now dead}, andrew, and equinox). The "reverse lynch order" was an answer to sotty's question, anyway, it wasn't supposed to be a replacement for a top suspect list.

I find it interesting that the post of mine you question is the same one where later I throw your name out as a suspect. OMGUS? Also interesting that you did not address my issue with your different play from our previous game and your inability to find anything scummy except with Memnon?

...I actually have no good reason for ignoring your case on me. I've been doing it with everyone though (in this thread, that is) I think I have been, anyway.

My play has been a lot worse from our last game, I'll admit that. But let's face it, Newbie 950 was not a hard game to look good in. There were two lurkers (the townie I knew to be a great lurker, anyway), two VIs, and a bunch of obv town :/

Other people have pointed fingers at me too. I don't think you were the first one. And you certainly wouldn't be the person I would...OMGUS (I don't think that's meant to be a verb ). I really just didn't like the reason :/ (and its not as if I'm suspicious of you for that, either, so I wouldn't even classify that as OMGUS).

I would have much less of a problem with imkingdavid if he just stated that he is very careful with his votes. But to encourage others not to make a stance until the deadline and subtly make fun of those trying to get some pressure out there using their votes is just scummy.

I didn't see it as "encouraging people not to take a stance." In fact, I'm pretty sure he meant that people

should

take a stance, and then vote. On the making fun note, well, I have seen town do it before to make a point. Just seems like a personality thing, not really a scumtell, which is why I thought it was a weak reason to vote him.

I'm starting to get more suspicious of equinox, less suspicious of sotty, and just a tad bit of IAI, but not too much (though I know we shouldn't turn a blind eye to him).

[I Am Innocent]

Actually, I'm relatively ok with the king d lynch. I don't think he's scum, but I think his lynch will provide a lot of information (a lot more than a policy lynch of andrew, anyway ).

Can you tell us what information the king d lynch has given you?

[Equinox]

Only going to respond to Sotty7's post -- no time to do much else.

Last night's flip has not only shot down my epic Day 2 plans for mislynching the cop

I'll explain why I planned to lynch the cop claim.

I've been in two games with 2 false cop claims. One claimed in Lylo, so we didn't have much to do there (940). One claimed before Lylo; my biggest regret there is we didn't lynch him but instead took him at his word when someone else flipped (945). I read a thread/post (forgot which and where) in MD that proposed the idea of lynching the claimed cop post-Day 1 to 1) confirm the existence of the cop, 2) confirm the investigation result or non-result, and 3) lynch the lying scumbag if s/he wasn't actually cop.

Be back with more tomorrow, though I suspect I'm going to be the lynch of the day. I do not object; I'll simply post as much crud as I can and let y'all sort it out in Lylo.

[andrew94]

is there a need to ask who i protected? it is obvious

[Equinox]

is there a need to ask who i protected? it is obvious

Please answer the question. Obviously, it's not so obvious.

[I Am Innocent]

Only going to respond to Sotty7's post -- no time to do much else.

Last night's flip has not only shot down my epic Day 2 plans for mislynching the cop

I'll explain why I planned to lynch the cop claim.

I've been in two games with 2 false cop claims. One claimed in Lylo, so we didn't have much to do there (940). One claimed before Lylo; my biggest regret there is we didn't lynch him but instead took him at his word when someone else flipped (945). I read a thread/post (forgot which and where) in MD that proposed the idea of lynching the claimed cop post-Day 1 to 1) confirm the existence of the cop, 2) confirm the investigation result or non-result, and 3) lynch the lying scumbag if s/he wasn't actually cop.

So if the Doctor was killed last night, and the claimed Cop said he had been roleblocked, you don't think it would be best to look for the roleblocker first? Wouldn't a dead roleblocker at that point + no Cop CC = confirmed innocent?

Be back with more tomorrow, though I suspect I'm going to be the lynch of the day. I do not object; I'll simply post as much crud as I can and let y'all sort it out in Lylo.

Your AtE is off the charts. Every time I start to get a town read on you, you post something like this. Stick to discussion and scumhunting please.

is there a need to ask who i protected? it is obvious

Please answer the question. Obviously, it's not so obvious.

Yes, please answer the question andrew.

[Equinox]

We're in a semi-open setup. No one is confirmed. Sometimes, there are no counterclaims because no one who is town-aligned can do so legitimately. This is what happened in 945, actually; doctor died on Night 3 and scum cop claimed roleblock on Day 4. Both scum flipped goon. That was a very hard lesson I would not like to repeat.

Also, that's not an appeal to emotion. I'm not asking you to not lynch me; I just said I wouldn't object to my own lynch because it would give town information. Lynching someone else who flips town will just screw us all over in Lylo when Sotty7 is certain that I'm scum, and I know I'm not.

In case someone accuses me of lurking: I saw that Skill006 responded, but I can't answer that until I get full access back. Refer to signature. I'm only answering direct questions and accusations that can be answered within one short post while popping in and out. I only have access until about 10 minutes or so, and I'd like to get back to other business that needs to be taken care of online.

[andrew94]

i protected memnon at night happy?

[Equinox]

I wonder why andrew94 is acting so defensive over this question... Something feels off, but I don't know what it is. I'll need to investigate as the day goes on, since I can't get a read off andrew94's Day 1 play.

Anyway, I will answer ToG:

Why are you all interested in Andrew94 doc target ?

What we need to know is what happened during Night 1. The cop should not have died during Night 1, so we're asking andrew94 to tell us who he protected and then talk about possible scenarios. The claimed doctor has confirmed that he visited Memnon last night, so a few things are possible here:

1) The roleblocker chose to block the doctor while the mafia team killed the cop.
2) andrew94 is not the doctor and claimed only for self-preservation.

Again, we are in a semi-open setup, so nothing is confirmed. Always remember this.

I'm going to allow myself a little bit of WIFOM speculation here, only because it's something I'm going to personally look into. I'm going to assume, for now, that andrew94 really is doctor and tried to protect Memnon. Roleblocking the doctor and killing the cop is sort of an odd thing to do, considering that not everyone bought Memnon's claim. (At least, I didn't, hence my willingness previously to lynch him to prove his alignment.) Off-site experience suggests this is something an inexperienced scum team would do: Kill the cop at all costs. That's just me, though.

To respond to Skill006:

Its not that I needed to wait until day 2 to figure out who the scum are, there were only a couple of people I wanted to wait on day 2 for

I was under the impression you didn't have anyone else at all. From a quick skim in isolation, you only mentioned three people: andrew94, Equinox, and imkingdavid. IIRC, you didn't want to lynch any of them on Day 1.

I'm starting to get more suspicious of equinox, less suspicious of sotty, and just a tad bit of IAI, but not too much (though I know we shouldn't turn a blind eye to him).

That looks better.

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...okay. So, I officially need to do some isolation reading. That's going to have to wait for a couple of days, though, since my unexpected V/LA has put me way behind in everything and I need to prioritize. I hope to get everything ready before the 72-hour mark.

[andrew94]

I'm going to allow myself a little bit of WIFOM speculation here, only because it's something I'm going to personally look into. I'm going to assume, for now, that andrew94 really is doctor and tried to protect Memnon. Roleblocking the doctor and killing the cop is sort of an odd thing to do, considering that not everyone bought Memnon's claim. (At least, I didn't, hence my willingness previously to lynch him to prove his alignment.) Off-site experience suggests this is something an inexperienced scum team would do: Kill the cop at all costs. That's just me, though.

aka me? inexperienced? what are you trying to hint here?

[andrew94]

I'm starting to get more suspicious of equinox, less suspicious of sotty, and just a tad bit of IAI, but not too much (though I know we shouldn't turn a blind eye to him).

That looks better.

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...okay. So, I officially need to do some isolation reading. That's going to have to wait for a couple of days, though, since my unexpected V/LA has put me way behind in everything and I need to prioritize. I hope to get everything ready before the 72-hour mark.

how does that look better? anyone
can write that

[I Am Innocent]

Here are the possible ways roles may be distributed

:
5 Townies, 1 Cop, 1 Doctor, 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker
6 Townies, 1 Cop, 2 Mafia Goons

With a dead confirmed cop, we are down to two possible setups.

The first scenario could be split up 2 ways:
1) Memnon Cop, Andrew Doctor, Roleblocker and Goon <> Andrew
2) Memnon Cop, Doctor <> Andrew, Roleblocker and Goon includes Andrew

The second scenario implies:
3) Memnon Cop & Andrew as one of the Goons.

#2 seems unlikely because D1 after Andrew's claim, both Equinox and I said if there is a real doctor, stay quiet and continue to protect Memnon. If the instructions were followed, the Mafia Roleblocker would have had to block the hidden doctor as Memnon was not protected, which seems very unlikely.

Since #2 seems very unlikely, I think we need to officially rule out #2 by having the six players not named Andrew come forward and say whether they are the Doctor or not. If #2 is really the setup and we have a hidden Doctor out there, chances are the Mafia knows who it is. So might as well get a one for one trade in this setup and proceed from there.

Any disagreements out there about having people CC Doctor?

[Sotty7]

I'm sick right now so please excuse my drop in posts. I'm hoping it is something that I can shake pretty quickly.

I don't see why it is so important to get out of Andrew who he protected. He is either scum and is lying or he is town and was role blocked. Right now I have zero desire to lynch Andrew, I think there are scummier people around. Of course, if Andrew isn't really the Doc and the real one

is

out there, they should have claimed already. Hell they should have countered yesterday so we could have lynched Andrew then.

But right now I am finding IAI and Equinox scummy for set up speculation and seemingly wanting to lynch our doc for reasons I don't understand.