Mini 961: Insane Asylum II: GAME OVER :O!

[magnus_orion]

@Dramonic: What's your opinion on Haylen? Why?

HAHAHAHA! I HAVE REGAINED THE ABILITY TO DESECRATE YOUR POSTS! >=]!

[StrangerCoug]

For one, the claim was incredibly botched, and not only once.

Yes, the claim came out in dribs and drabs. Yes, I momentarily forgot about my immunity. But there's a technicality that saves me in the post that obviates that I forgot: the word "or". We can rule out one of the things happening to me.

Also, he's escaped lynch too many times for this to be normal =_=

This is basically a reword of "Why isn't StrangerCoug dead yet?", and the only times I remember questioning in thread why players are alive are as scum.

For the other, I've gut

That comes from where, DrippingGoofball's crap case on me? Seriously, this is one of the lamest pushes for my lynch.

*sigh*
Did anyone at all successfully use an ability last night?

I didn't attempt one last night because, lockdown or not, I would have expected it to fail anyway.

[dramonic]

@MO: Unless someone has an action that went through (except the kill), I don't see why we should lynch her today <<
@SC: See, that last line is the kind of things that make me want to lynch you. And gut comes from the gut, not DGB's posts <<

[dramonic]

HAHAHAHA! I HAVE REGAINED THE ABILITY TO DESECRATE YOUR POSTS! >=]!

So can I

[magnus_orion]

@dramonic: That's not what I asked for. Answer the question.

[Tarhalindur]

Dram, a few questions for you:

1) Do you think Haylen is town or scum, and why?
2) Assume that you can't get your StrangerCoug lynch today. In this case, who do you want to see lynched and why? (In other words, who is your second pick for scum?)
3) Who do you think is scum with StrangerCoug?

[UncertainKitten]

The Thiry-Third "Woot.com!" Vote Count

"I Want One!"

Mod Note: What, they have CRAAAAAAAAAAZZZZZZZYYYYYYYY deals :V.

1. magnus_orion (0)
2. StrangerCoug (0)
3. SocioPath (0)
4. farside22 (0)
7. Tarhalindur (0)
9. Haylen (2): SocioPath, magnus_orion
11. Dramonic (2): StrangerCoug, Tarhalindur

Not Voting (3): farside22, Haylen, Dramonic

Prod Clock (New): Off
Players still needing to respond to prod: No one

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch
Deadline is in 11 days at 8:00 PM EST, Saturday, July 3rd, 2010

[dramonic]

@dramonic: That's not what I asked for. Answer the question.

You asked me my opinion on Haylen and why. I answered that I think she's town unless another action went through. Also the Cabal thing

Dram, a few questions for you:

1) Do you think Haylen is town or scum, and why?
2) Assume that you can't get your StrangerCoug lynch today. In this case, who do you want to see lynched and why? (In other words, who is your second pick for scum?)
3) Who do you think is scum with StrangerCoug?

1)See above
2)Sociopath I'd agree to. His play in this game doesn't seem to reflect towniness for me (read: gut scum-feel) Yes, I'm playing this game a lot on my gut.
3)See 2

[magnus_orion]

That doesn't explain why you think she's town.

[StrangerCoug]

@SC: See, that last line is the kind of things that make me want to lynch you. And gut comes from the gut, not DGB's posts <<

That doesn't convince anyone of anything. You can't say "

OMG! THE COUG DIDN'T SHOOT!! KILL HIM!!!

" You clearly did not pay attention to when I told DrippingGoofball that her trick on me didn't work.

[dramonic]

That doesn't explain why you think she's town.

Because her actions dont seem scum-motivated and because her role doesn't seem like scum either

@SC: Enlighten me to ANY protown motive to not attempt an action just because it "might" fail?

[magnus_orion]

Because her actions dont seem scum-motivated and because her role doesn't seem like scum either

Elaborate.

[StrangerCoug]

@SC: Enlighten me to ANY protown motive to not attempt an action just because it "might" fail?

You make this simple. I have received no notification that I have received a point.

There are other pro-town motives as to why I did not attempt a shot last night: I may have misunderstood how the lockdown worked, I may not have come up with a good vig target in time, or I may want more information from my suspects. (Of those, the second is the least plausible in the actual situation as if I had known for sure that I could kill, either you or Haylen wouldn't be breathing right now.)

You and DrippingGoofball both think in black and white.

[SocioPath]

MAN, THIS BACK AND FORTH IS TAKING FOREVER.

How about someone throw some questions MY WAY.
ALTHOUGH I AM SLIGHTLY MORE CLEAR AS TO WHO IS SCUM AND WHY, SO IT WOULD BE REDUNDANT.

[StrangerCoug]

How about someone throw some questions MY WAY.
ALTHOUGH I AM SLIGHTLY MORE CLEAR AS TO WHO IS SCUM AND WHY, SO IT WOULD BE REDUNDANT.

The second part makes it kind of hard, but I'll try here:

1. Do you think dramonic is even trying to play?
   
2. How likely do you think that I am a serial killer?
   
3. Suppose I knew I had a point, but decided to hang on to my shot. Of the three alternates described in my last post, which makes the most sense to you and why?

[SocioPath]

Do you think dramonic is even trying to play?

No.
Indifference doesn't = scum though.
It is the situations that surround indifference.
And his situation certainly seems like scum.
I'll wait to delve after he finishes his back and forth though.

How likely do you think that I am a serial killer?

I'd say 80%.
Outed SKs aren't immediate threats though, as they try hard to look vig with taking down targets that seem scum.
A toothless SK such as yourself though, even less of a threat.

Suppose I knew I had a point, but decided to hang on to my shot. Of the three alternates described in my last post, which makes the most sense to you and why?

The most sense?
That you are a lazy ass and took Haylen's word for a global roleblock. (Even though it looks like a global town roleblock.)

Or you are saving a kill to drop the numbers in an endgame scenario.
With potentially 3 kills in one night that have been witnessed or claimed, being an SK in the endgame without a kill ready is just asking for a loss.

[Tarhalindur]

Post to avoid any prod-happy mod action. More later tonight when I have time.

[Haylen]

Sorry forgot to post V/LA. I've been 'campling' with a few people. I need sleep, back in a bit.

[magnus_orion]

@mod: Prod Dramonic please

[dramonic]

I'm not in the need for a prod and I'm tired of your circular questions.

[magnus_orion]

circular questions? The only thing circular I see are your answers.
Shall I demonstrate?

You asked me my opinion on Haylen and why. I answered that I think she's town unless another action went through. Also the Cabal thing

Paraphrase: "I think Haylen is town, with the exception of another action going through"

That doesn't explain why you think she's town.

Paraphrase: "Ok, what reasons do you have for thinking Haylen is town?"

Because her actions dont seem scum-motivated and because her role doesn't seem like scum either

Paraphrase: "Because her actions don't seem like coming from scum to me. In other words, I think she's town because I don't think she's scum"

Elaborate.

Paraphrase: "Fine. Expand on your reasons for thinking this."

I'm not in the need for a prod and I'm tired of your circular questions.

Paraphrase: "Your questions are circular. I'm not answering"


I'm seeing a circle that goes like this:


Dramonic: "I think Haylen is town" --> Magnus: "Why do you think Haylen is town?"
........../\ ............................................................................\/
Magnus: "why do you think haylen isn't scum?" <-- Dramonic: "I think Haylen is not scum"




I mean, its a wonder that you managed to get a read at all, if your read is dependent upon itself and nothing else to back it up.
If there had been some point where there was a flow of information in which built up into reasons that supported your opinion, the cycle may break.

Of course, if your read is gut (you haven't even said that), you can still point to the posts that give you a gut-town feeling. Gut doesn't excuse you from expanding upon reasons, because gut reads aren't the same as assigning "town" and "scum" to people at random.... Well, unless that's what you want to claim you're doing?

[magnus_orion]

EBWOP

I'm not in the need for a prod and I'm tired of your circular questions.

For the sake of completeness, I will also address your other grievance:

This is the time stamp on your last post prior to the post I asked for your prod.

Tue Jun 22, 2010 5:51 pm

this is the time stamp when I asked for your post.

Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:16 pm

If you refer to rule 12, you will find that, yes, you were in need of prodding.

[Iecerint]

V/LA until late Sunday. I may manage a post tomorrow morning. Posting in all my games.

Worst. Bah Post. Ever >=[!

[Tarhalindur]

On StrangerCoug: Coug is almost certainly not Mafia. DGB wanted him dead from early on D1 to such an extent that she pushed him as a Ellibereth counterwagon, and DGB's not on the list of players who I'd expect to bus scum from game start. Moreover, my experience with dueling Day 1 wagons is that both of them are usually on town.

He may, however, be SK. (The worst case scenario is bulletproof SK with a repeatable kill who's chosen to no-kill or had his N1 kill stopped.) That's the only reason I can think of why we should even consider lynching StrangerCoug today.

On dramonic: After review, I think he's pretty damn likely to be scum. (I strongly suspect the scumteam is Haylen-dramonic - especially given the D1 SC wagon) and would like to see one of those two in the noose today.) Why?
- Continued push for a StrangerCoug lynch after strong evidence that SC is not Mafia. (Reminds me of how scum were so desperate to kill me in Random Mafia 3 that two successive scumbags got themselves lynched via ridiculously bad pushes for my lynch.)
- Bullshit reasoning for a StrangerCoug lynch. In particular: "Also, he's escaped lynch too many times for this to be normal =_=." Really now? I thought it was just a good case of players realizing that there were far stronger cases than the SC case - especially now that a player pushing for SC's lynch since D1 has flipped Mafia.
- Why exactly are you so sure that Haylen is town today when you were so sure she was scum yesterday?

I think it's about time that dramonic claimed - if he won't do so now, I say put the third vote on him.

[dramonic]

mostly vanilla townie <<