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Post Post #550 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:46 am

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I don't think they usually do, although yes, it does happen. I see no reason to suppose that NS would've claimed scum in this situation. Let's ask:

NS, do you claim scum when you're scum and you think you've been lynched?
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That would depend on the powers they have, no? This is not an ordinary game of mafia.
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Post Post #551 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:53 am

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No, when I'm scum, I'm very careful about posting everything, whether or not I think I've been hammered.

This answer is not going to help me, but it's the truth.

Also truth: I'm still VT.
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Post Post #552 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:13 pm

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Steam-Powered Shovel wrote:
Zajnet wrote:Random thought: If the endgame comes down to one person from each scumteam, would the game end in a draw?
That would depend on the powers they have, no? This is not an ordinary game of mafia.
Point taken, but lets just say that they're both vanilla goons with no abilities. What would happen?

@NS: Hmm. I still think you're VT, especially since the only real case against you was lurking. I think Zang is more suspicious in that front, and admittedly myself a bit as well. Work's been crazy busy, but I'll really try to provide content.

In this situation, I'd prefer a no-lynch to lynching NS, and I won't be voting for him, but that still leaves 8 other people that can lynch him if y'all really want to.

Also @NS: What did you mean a bit ago with your "we" and "...we"? Fishy asked one of the people not voting for you (myself included, hence the "we") to hammer you. I said why would we [those not voting NS] do that after SaintK's stunt.
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Post Post #553 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:40 pm

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@Zaj: Initially, I read it as the 'royal "we"' -- as you explained just now. But after it was pointed out as a potential scumslip, I realized it could be read as you slipping and talking directly to your scumpal. Not sure how I feel about it now. I'm leaning nulltell. I think.

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Post Post #554 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:00 pm

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Zajnet wrote:Random thought: If the endgame comes down to one person from each scumteam, would the game end in a draw?
If you are town this doesn't even apply.

Oh wait, you aren't. So it does.

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Post Post #555 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:45 pm

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Need moar brain today.

Either that or AlmGM is seriously tunneling zaj.

Head Hurts.

Vote: zaj
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Post Post #556 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:55 pm

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Why did you go from unvote to vote?
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Post Post #557 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:57 pm

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AlmasterGM wrote:
Zajnet wrote:Random thought: If the endgame comes down to one person from each scumteam, would the game end in a draw?
If you are town this doesn't even apply.

Oh wait, you aren't. So it does.
That's why. I hadn't thought of it that way.
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Post Post #558 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:29 pm

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AlmasterGM wrote:
Zajnet wrote:Random thought: If the endgame comes down to one person from each scumteam, would the game end in a draw?
If you are town this doesn't even apply.

Oh wait, you aren't. So it does.

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WIFOM ALERT: Why the fuck would I ask that in the thread if I was scum? I'd just pm the mod.

AGM is definitely tunneling me, now I have to figure out if its town tunneling town or scum tunneling town.
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Post Post #559 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:55 pm

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Zaj asking the question in thread does
not
make him scum. It just means he did something stupid. I've seen town do this before (L4D Mafia), so it's not a reliable tell.
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Post Post #560 (ISO) » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:28 am

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I don't think NS's "thinking he was dead" post should be enough to derail his lynch. He might have seen StK's hammer was fake before posting, or he might just never help out the town by claiming truly in that position. It doesn't clear him at all.

Votes need ##'s to be counted.

I don't think Zajnet is particularly likely scum. His play during the first auction is much more likely to come from town, and the current reasons for voting him aren't that good.
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Post Post #561 (ISO) » Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:22 am

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A few updates before the vote count:

First,
nopointinactingup replaces easj


Second, I wanted to clarify The Investor. It should read:


4 Investor
- 30% of all bank payments go to you, including payments made due to bankruptcy, interest payments, or payments on principal. Your own debts and the debts of your scummate will NOT count toward this. Once a day, you may PM the mod to see what the total amount of debt there is in the game.
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Post Post #562 (ISO) » Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:24 am

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Day 2 Vote Count

Nobody Special ( 5 ) Zang, SpyreX, Andrius, SaintKerrigan, Fishythefish,
SpyreX ( 0 )
Zang ( 0 )
SaintKerrigan ( 1 ) Steam-Powered Shovel,
Zajnet ( 1 ) AlmasterGM,
nopointinactingup ( 0 )
Andrius ( 0 )
Fishythefish ( 2 ) Zajnet, Nobody Special,
Steam-Powered Shovel ( 0 )
AlmasterGM ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 1 ) easjo682
Total Votes ( 10 )
Deadline: June 25th at 23:00 EDT
With 10 total votes, 6 needed to lynch.

Reminder that deadline is tonight.
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Post Post #563 (ISO) » Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:52 am

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@Mod: Why does Andrius have 2 votes but nobody listed as voting him?


We need to come to a collective decision. I don't agree with a NS lynch, but if someone wants to hammer him, go ahead. You'd just better hope that he flips scum if you do.

AGM = tunnelvisioning town, I think.

SPS is my most likely pick for scum.

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Post Post #564 (ISO) » Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:40 am

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Zajnet wrote: @Mod: Why does Andrius have 2 votes but nobody listed as voting him?
They're back from the dead! :lol:

So I may or may not be on tonight. We're picking up some family at the airport, so it could be a long drive with Friday traffic, etc.
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Post Post #565 (ISO) » Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:43 am

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Alright, we need a lynch and it's a Friday afternoon. Activity levels are going to be nil starting in a few hours. Even if there was an alternative candidate, there's no way they would pick up enough steam in time. So, even though I have other preferences, I'll...

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Post Post #566 (ISO) » Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:55 am

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NS, pay off any debt you may have and transfer your money to someone you strongly believe to be town.

That is, assuming you really are VT.
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Post Post #567 (ISO) » Fri Jun 25, 2010 8:11 am

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I'm pretty sure that we lynched for real yesterday (after my little stunt)...
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Post Post #568 (ISO) » Fri Jun 25, 2010 8:12 am

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EBWOP: Nvm, all of those were Zaj votes. My bad.
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Post Post #569 (ISO) » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:29 pm

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Final Day 2 Vote Count

Nobody Special ( 6 ) Zang, SpyreX, Andrius, SaintKerrigan, Fishythefish, AlmasterGM,

SpyreX ( 0 )
Zang ( 0 )
SaintKerrigan ( 1 ) Steam-Powered Shovel,
Zajnet ( 1 )
nopointinactingup ( 0 )
Andrius ( 0 )
Fishythefish ( 1 ) Nobody Special,
Steam-Powered Shovel ( 0 ) Zajnet,
AlmasterGM ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 1 ) easjo682
Total Votes ( 10 )
Deadline: June 25th at 23:00 EDT
With 10 total votes, 6 needed to lynch.


Marketplace
To place a bid, PM Zoraster with the highest price you would be willing to pay.

1 Arsonist
- You have a whole bunch of highly flamable liquid, but only one match. Every night, you may douse one person in kerosene. Once during the day, you may PM the mod with the word
ignite
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MB: 20 CB: 0 Deadline:

2 Firefighter
- Until the Arsonist attempts to light his match, you may submit one person per night to smother in flame-retardant material. For the rest of the game, they will not be able to be ignited, whether the arsonist doused them before or douses them after. If you smother the arsonist, his match will not work, and he will be unable to ignite anyone at all! You are a very brave firefighter, though, and you are unable to protect yourself.
MB: 10 CB: 0 Deadline:

3 Masonizer x 1
- Once during the game during the day, you may select one other player. If that player is town OR if that player has investigation immunity, they will become your mason partner and you will be given a quicktopic to talk in. You do not have to be town to use this ability.
MB: 5 CB: 0 Deadline:

4 Federal Reserve Chairman x 1
- Once per game, you may decide to bring about a bout of inflation. This means that EVERYONE receives $200, including you. PM the mod to start the inflation. You may also PM the mod to DESTROY this ability (thereby doing your duty as Fed Chairman). Once destroyed, this ability will not be sellable, useable or anything else.
MB: 10 CB: 0 Deadline:

5 Nobody Special

MB: 50 CB: 0 Deadline:

Current bids may not be up-to-date. Current Bids and Deadlines will only be kept up-to-date by edit until the next vote count is posted.


Please note that I have REMOVED the Investor as it was a broken power. I put in the next ability in the same category to replace it.


Nobody Special the townie was lynched

His estate is now up for sale.

Night 2 Public Happenings:

SpyreX the townie was killed


It is now Day 3. The deadline is July 9th.
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Marketplace is NOW OPEN
. Please take note of the change from Investor to Fed Reserve Chairman.

Finally:
The Interest Rate has now been set to 15%!
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Post Post #570 (ISO) » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:46 pm

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zoraster wrote:Finally:
The Interest Rate has now been set to 15%!
I'm glad I payed off my debt during D2 xD

Anyways, so we're at 4 townies, 2 mafia A, 2 mafia B.

With the NK out of the way and the arsonist being so conditional, we're quite a ways away from lylo.
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Post Post #571 (ISO) » Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:02 pm

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Hey everyone, just finished skimming through the topic and was confused on no ends T_T.But I'll try my best to keep up. The thing I'm thinking is, that we are relying too much on bidding for roles that we digress in trying to lynch the scums. Lynching is the town's free weapon and should be put to best use.

But that was the past, now I'm thinking we lynch all active lurkers as they are more likely to be scums, tied up with their day topic and thoughts on what to bid on to win the game.
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Post Post #572 (ISO) » Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:32 pm

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NS was town? Damn, that's bad news.

Spyrex was NKed? Damn, that's bad news.

Y'know, I'm sick of all this goddamn bad news. Let's have some good news for a change.

I caught scum. Now
that's
some good news. Doesn't that just brighten up your whole day?

Vote: Andrius
(Yes, I know this is not a real vote. The latter parts of my post should suffice to explain why.)

To explain: I bought the Mugger ability yesterday. I mugged Andrius, and guess what I found? Investigation Immunity. I believe I already explained earlier why a townie that had II should claim it right away. I even posted it in large bold letters so no one could miss it. Well, nobody claimed it, so that pretty much makes it a scum ability. Thus, since Andrius turns out to be the guy with II, he's scum.

I also feel that I can fully explain what I was doing yesterday. Yes, I was trying to make Andrius blatantly obvious as a power role. The idea behind it? Why, get him nightkilled, of course. Unorthodox a strategy, to be sure, but if we can get scum to waste a kill on one of our suspects instead of us having to waste a lynch on that suspect, bully for us. And if the suspect turns out to be someone on the other scumteam, bully for us. In the event that Andrius wasn't nightkilled, for whatever reason, or if he was somehow town and died, I had another aspect to the plan: the mugger.

I got the mugger ability for two reasons. First, I get to learn what exactly Andrius is, and depending on what roles he has I can further figure out if he's scum or not. Second, if he gets nightkilled and turns out to be town, I get his abilities so the town doesn't really lose a power role; if he's scum, then scum loses those abilities and town gains them. Yay! And this being Day 2, I was pretty sure scum wouldn't outbid me on roles this time.

Andrius also possessed the Doc ability, which I would've kept secret, but he's bound to let everyone know anyway (since I'm guessing he's gonna try using the "I didn't reveal that I had II because I didn't want to get nightkilled because I was the Doctor" line...have fun with that one, Andrius ;)), so I might as well say it now. That said, unless I can think of a reason not to tomorrow morning I plan to sell the Doctor ability, both to pay off my debt and to get the role in the hands of someone less...conspicuous than I (confirmed doc makes for a lovely NK target). I won't do the same with II, though. If the scum NK me, then II is lost forever, and all the better for the town.

So here's the plan for today: we wait until the current abilities are sold (and my doc if I decide to go with that), and then we
lynch
that motherfuckin' scum Andrius. Then we go and kill all his friends, and the enemies of his friends (town excluded), and those that remain live happily ever after.

Now isn't that some damn good news?

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Post Post #573 (ISO) » Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:36 pm

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Oh, lol, guess what? There's another reason why Andrius is scum: The doc is a two-shot ability. Guess how many shots are left on Andrius' doc? Two.

Game, set, and match, folks.
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Post Post #574 (ISO) » Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:39 pm

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EBWOP: This also confirms that Andrius' team is the one that had the nightkill. Why use the Doc when you control the only killing ability?
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