Open 228 - Mafia in KyleVille - Game Over!

[Oopidstay]

@karma and the rest: VERY BAD idea. Are you kidding me? In this set up, there are only 2 explanations of why there was no NK. One: scum chose to not NK anyone to confuse us or Two: the person the scum targeted was jailkept.

There's a third option: the scum performing the NK was jailkept. Regardless, you're correct in that PRs shouldn't out themselves now.

Not keeping you in mind on D1 =/= scummy.

Suspicious does not always equal scummy...? Huh?

Why else do we have mislynches?

Why are you voting Hershey instead of me?

Because Hershey was pushing you as an alternative lynch to Robo yesterday, and yet today he goes straight for the shifty-looking guy without even mentioning you. So he did the same thing you're doing, but isn't saying anything about his top suspect from yesterday. With his posting frequency, that amounts to ignoring you altogether. This is scummy. And suspicious.

[Karma]

Because townies do scummy things. Tell me, what is the difference between suspicious and scummy?

[Oopidstay]

Because townies do scummy things. Tell me, what is the difference between suspicious and scummy?

Suspicious is behavior that's odd and can look scummy. Scummy is a descriptor for things scum would do. Suspicious =/= scummy.

This is turning into a battle of definitions. How about we drop it?

[Karma]

No, because you haven't adequately explained it. Give me an example of something "suspicious" and something "scummy" in this game (with quotes please) and explain the difference.

[Merkabah]

@Merk: What do you mean by that quote?

I was just being a smart ass. Anyhow, I found your comments about the no NK to be kind of strange was my point. You seemed like you were trying really hard to joke around with the town. I wish I could find it, but I recall his one game where a player (Kise I think) caught a scum solely for using lol in post. You're was an odd post and the lol didn't help.

Now that I have a little time, I'm going to do a full re-read to see how the heck day 1 ended without everyone giving their input and taking a stance.

Looking forward to it.

We're still debating on our vote, but I think we're getting close to reaching a decision.

[Merkabah]

Vote: Hershey Kiss

@EMP: What are your thoughts on Kiss?
@Paltry: Same question.

[Oopidstay]

No, because you haven't adequately explained it. Give me an example of something "suspicious" and something "scummy" in this game (with quotes please) and explain the difference.

No. Take your thumb out of your mouth and start working, please.

[Karma]

No. You called me out for something that is stupid (or should I say oopidstay) and doesn't make any sense and I want you to explain it.

[Empking]

About kiss. His actions really don't seem consistent and I'm not sure what do think about his defending Robo. Leaning scum.

Vote: Oopi

His actions seem weird and kind of reaching. (The karma directed post earlier has bought that to the forefront of my mind.)

[PaltryExcuse]

On the Doc-Congratulating: I've played one game, IIRC, where the doc kill was 'celebrated'... a tell akin to the doc congratulating one. The person who commented on that was lynched in LYLO and scum (me) won. It's the only time I've ever seen it, and it led to a town loss. Many experienced MS players know of the tell, and it is a new player tell. Not a scum one.

On HK: Oopid brings up a good point, but I really feel it is hard to get anything on HK's alignment at this point. He posts infrequently and in small doses. The days inbetween each post could easily amount to him changing his opinion, or not giving town all of his thoughts. Pro-town? No. He needs to get in here and post more.

Personally, I'm more concerned with Karma. His-doesn't-want-the-day-to-end-yet-I'm-gonna-put-them-near-lynch seems counter intuitive. I figured it was maybe a scum buddy wagon hop, but it is scummy to me.

@Karma:

:@Merk: I like adding pressure. If anyone quickhammers him they can face my fiery wrath tomorrow.

This bothers me as I feel like you know you'll be alive tomorrow. I feel like the comment wards people from the Robo-wagon more than it encourages the lynch of someone you claim to believe is scum.

This still rings true for me.
Karma is experienced (read: alt) and has attacked for three things: RVS votehopping, putting pressure on Robo, and now a doc congratulation vote. 2 of which aren't scummy IMO, and the second was hopping on a case built by others.
His argument of semantics (definitions) is just a masking play.

VOTE: Karma

[Karma]

Hm.

Paltry, what do you mean by "masking play?"

[Oopidstay]

No. You called me out for something that is stupid (or should I say oopidstay) and doesn't make any sense and I want you to explain it.

I have explained it adequately enough that people with a decent amount of intellect can understand it. (Yes, this can be interpreted as an insult.) If you can't figure out what I mean, that's your problem.

This is the last I intend to talk about this topic.

Spoiler: Prediction

Karma votes for me in his next post.

@ Empking: Weird =/= scummy.

[Karma]

You haven't. I'm not an idiot and I know I'm not an idiot. You aren't making any fucking sense - deal with it and properly explain what you're trying to say.

[Muthaa]

VOTE: Karma
Your opportunistic votes. Specially because robo turned out to be town.
Your pushing the definition thing really looks like you're masking it.

[Karma]

Oh well hey, Muthaa, nice parroting of Paltry's case.

Can someone (Muthaa) explain WTF "masking" is supposed to mean in this instance? Two people have used it and nobody has explained it to me.

[PaltryExcuse]

What I mean by masking it is that it looks like you have something to hide. You're masking productive play with semantic-talk and null tells.

[Karma]

I still don't like Muthaa's last post at ALL.

[Oopidstay]

Of course you don't. He voted for you.

[Kthxbye]

Ok guys, I swear on everything holy I will get into this game and do a full re-read tonight and post my thoughts and that post will also include my vote. Between RL and being in multiple games and school and family...ugh...You deserve better. Sincere apologies.

[Muthaa]

@Karma: That's funny... no wait interesting -.-... because you voted on Robo day1 and used reasons already given out. If it's not bad when you're pushing someone at L-1 why would it be when I use something SIMILAR to put my vote on you?

@Merk: Were you serious about the "GOD DAMMIT I just started to believe him" (the part of your post after Oopid hammered Robo that looks kind of like what I just said)?

[Karma]

Nope, didn't use reasons already given out. I thought he had slipped and called himself scum (he still basically did).

[Merkabah]

@Muthaa: Yes, I believed him when I said that. I was going to unvote him in that post but Oopid crossposted me and hammered.

No, I will not reveal why I believed him then but I doubt that particular tell will come up again this game. Even still, I'm not taking that risk as it's easy to fake.

[Oopidstay]

I'm a little confused. Muthaa's vote-post on Karma made sense to me. I didn't like Karma's reaction to it. Then Muthaa posted a reply to it that I didn't like, and Karma's reply to that was one that I liked.

Dammit.

Empking only had four posts yesterday. One of them was a piggyback vote for me for bad reasons. Two of them were pushing a Robo lynch. The last one was a vote for Robo.

Empking only has one post today. He calls Kiss' actions scummy and votes me for weird stuff and being "kind of reaching." Among the three lurkers, he's beginning to rise to the top.

Unvote: Hershey Kiss
Vote: Empking

Kthnxbye is beginning to try my patience as well. He better have content up soon, or flames will be turned in his direction.

Hershey is not responding to my vote and requires a more direct form of stimulation.

Mod: Does Hershey Kiss merit a prod yet? If so, taser him in the balls, please.

[kyle99]

Hershey Kiss has been prodded.

[PaltryExcuse]

@MOD: I'm gonna be V/LA until Monday.