Mini 991 - POWERFUL WIZARD MAFIA (GAME)

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

@Parama and SSBF - what do you think of a massclaim?

I was kind of hoping to wait until Day 3, as I don't think that massclaiming ToDay is a good idea. It gives scums more of a foothole and more power roles option to kill during the Night. However, since we're already getting this over with, I might as well claim when the time comes.

The only part I was joking on was the idea that I'd be auto-confirmed town if I Neighborized someone. I know that I'm not a Masonizer, so.

But you would be auto-confirmed an alignment to a person, either town or scum.

What remains constant is my desire to create a neighborhood with someone

, and to do that I need 2 apprentices. So yeah, I'd love 2 apprentices.

Why do you so desire to neighborize a person when you know clearly that scum hunting comes before making a neightborhood?

Opinion on ReaperCharlie's claim: I don't believe it. The majority of the claim is basically role-blocking. These can go either scum or town. I'm leaning toward a claim that a scum would make. His power with the second apprentice involved confusion. As scums needs to confuse the town, I can't really see a redirection power as a pro-town role, although this could be because I have no experience with it. The Dominate power is scummy. This really does sound like a scum role. If ReaperCharlie is scum and he gets to lylo, he can use this to automatically kill a person. Overall, it looks scummy and I don't like it.

Opinion on Gammagooey's claim: I was fixing to call him out as a scum due to his claim, but looking at the number of apprentices, he got none. There is a possibility that he is telling the truth about being a town, but he's more then likely not doing so. However, with that fact that he did claim Magic Missle as a kill, I can very well see this as him lying and really being part of the Mafia, so I'm taking his claim with a grain of salt. I'm not going to support a lynch on him due to his claim, but I don't believe it either. So I'm saying his claim is slightly scummy.

As for my roleclaim. I will be doing a full roleclaim, however, I want to get it approved by SpyreX, as I don't want to risk a modkill for role PMs being too close. So, bear with me if it takes awhile to get a claim that won't modkill my ass.

One more thing I want to say.

The apprentices should not go to Evocation or Enhancement school ToNight as they are very well possible scum schools.

[Gammagooey]

The only part I was joking on was the idea that I'd be auto-confirmed town if I Neighborized someone. I know that I'm not a Masonizer, so.

But you would be auto-confirmed an alignment to a person, either town or scum.

Dear SSBF, I've said it before and I'll say it again, confirmed ability does not equal confirmed alignment.

Your opinion is me is especially silly. Do you think I'm fakeclaiming vig as mafia, and went as far as breadcrumbing the kill flavor but NOT claiming the kill on Kmd? And you apparently don't think that giving me my shiny vig is a good thing even though it would force theoretical mafia-me to kill someone scumtastic and then look terribly surprised when there's only one kill? (unless you think I'm a mafia that can kill twice with only one apprentice or something weird like that)

[Karma]

Yeah. UNVOTE: Gamma

VOTE: ReaperCharlie

He's still scum.

[Gammagooey]

Unvote

Til' massclaim is done. Remind me to share any remaining relevant secrets once it's over too.

[ReaperCharlie]

Yeah. UNVOTE: Gamma

VOTE: ReaperCharlie

He's still scum.

What the h311? No I'm not!

[Karma]

Yeah, pretty sure you are. Your spells are

very

indicative of a scum roleblocker.

[Parama]

I trust that Gamma is town.
I'd like everyone to claim and everyone to GODDAMN POST SOME CONTENT FFS
Dramonic has active-lurked in all his posts today. Budja's posted but his post doesn't contain much. MrSuave doesn't even seem to exist. Empking's posts don't really bring much to the table either.

Seriously, when 4 of 10 players are lurking or active lurking I don't know what to think. Funnily enough I think they're all 4 of the apprentices though (unless SSBF didn't just softclaim being a POWERFUL WIZARD like I just did >_> <_<)

I still think we're all mod-WIFOMing though RC's spells do seem rather scum-sided in nature. If I had to note one thing I'd say that having a role that allows you to steal a vote even in 7-way or 5-way LyLo doesn't seem like something a mod would give to scum though. Meh. There we go with mod-WIFOM again.

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

I'll roleclaim now and get this over with:

Roleclaim: Necromancer

Spells:

No Apprentices:

Touch of Fatigue. The person I target lose access to cast spells at max level for one Night.

One Apprentices:

False Life: If the target were to die, they would die at the end of the following day instead of immediately.

Two Apprentices:

Clone: All actions geared toward that target will target the clone, which will die at daybreak.

Three Apprentices:

Energy Drain: The person targeted permanently lose access to there highest spell.

Guild Mark:

Heart of Stone: That target will become immune to any death except for lynches for the remainder of the game. Once I cast this, I become an apprentice and lose access to my spell list.

Win Condition:

I win when all threats to the Guild has been elminated.

[ReaperCharlie]

Yeah, pretty sure you are. Your spells are

very

indicative of a scum roleblocker.

If I was scum, would I have shown you those abilities? wifom away with that one.

The point is: I've only got what I've got, and I'm telling you what I've got.

It should be pretty obvious that I've got no idea what I'm talking about when it comes to dungeons and dragons (or wherever he's pulling these spells from). All I know is, there was green writing in my role PM where it says I'm a wizard of Enchantment, and I win when all threats to the Guild are eliminated.

I'm no genius, but I am pretty sure that means I'm town.

[Karma]

Yes, RC, you would have. Andrius used his ability on you so we already knew the spell names. Your best bet was to use your original abilities and hope they would be considered town.

SSBF - who did you target last night? And who do you want to claim next?

I don't have any knowledge of D&D either - just some simple googling.

[dramonic]

INTERPOSING DRAM!

I am going to do something you won't like, mod-WIFOM.

Ganma is town.
Because of chain lightning. IF he gets 3 apprentice, he can double-vig. Do you have ANY idea how broken it would be in a 12 player setup to give the scum 3 kills in a single night? Like, ANY idea?
In the meantime any votes on him are excessively scummy.
I told you guys the evocator was obv-town yesterday but NOOOOOO you wouldn't listen to me =_=

SSBF has fair enough chances to be town.
Unless you think NK-immune

scum

is fair-game. SK maybe, but not scum.

About the mafia kill; Assuming is stupid. This is SpyreX we're talking about, there is no way he'd make the mafia kill so obvious and just say "hey, it's a magic missile, burn the evocator!". That also supposes only Powerful Wizards are mafia, since apprentices don't have spells. Stop the WIFOM.

For what it's worth, possible killing moves for each PW

abju -> explosive rune
conj -> cloudkill
Ench -> power word Kill
Evo -> meteor swarm
illu -> phantasmal killer
necro -> Wail of the banshee
trans -> temporal stasis

and div... erm... get a deck of many things and draw death or something <_<

Now that we've established anyone can kill anyone, can we move on from trying to analyze the NK's flavour?

BTW, I'm one of Karma's apprentices.

[Gammagooey]

Draaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam why didn't you give me vig loving ;_;

[Karma]

Yay dram <3

I think you're basically right about Gamma, though. BUT that's more because he's acted pro-town this game than it is completely giving up on the mod-WIFOM. I still think it holds some importance.

So, what do you think the scumteam is made of? 3 POWERFUL WIZARDS? 2 wizards, one scum-apprentice? Is this setup speculation completely useless?

[Budja]

re. the Magic Missile, I don't think SpyreX would create a scum kill so easily broken.
Can anyone explain the loud noises came from Gamma's room?

Regardless, I want to give Gamma a vig shot tonight.

RC's spells are useful to scum. I'll say that much.
Added to my willing to lynch list but I think I'd still prefer Andrius/Emp.

Feeling good about SSBF.

Apprentice, Necromancy and Divination.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Emp, feels better. Thats all.

Preview: Dram is obv. town.

[dramonic]

Draaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam why didn't you give me vig loving ;_;

Because you hadn't claimed evoker yesterday?

@Karma: Probably 2 wizzies and 1 apprentice. 3 wizzies is stupid for reasons stated, 2 or 3 apprentice would be a very weak scumteam against a very strong town.[/setup speculation]

[dramonic]

EBWOP: I don't know yet if I'll be switching schools tonight. depends on the lynch.

[Gammagooey]

But you thought it was a vig anyway : /

Budja why'd you power Divination if you think Andrius is a good lynch?

[dramonic]

I fail to see how I'm supposed to know you're the evoker?

[Gammagooey]

MAGIC

But mostly you thought powering Evo was a better bet for Kmd's plan yesterday, I'm just sad that you changed your mind.

[dramonic]

Well, arguably I said it was a safer choice but since we'd agreed to power divination I thought we'd go with that. Then it turned out Andrius of all dubious peops is the diviner, so I retracted on that.
Arguably Abjuration seemed like a safe enough choice, without knowing WHO was the evoker. Abjurations can't do that much evil, worst case scenario he's a mafia doc and he'll just stop your lack of vigkills

[Budja]

I thought that was the plan and I didn't exactly reread for the claim schools . No harm done anyway.

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

SSBF - who did you target last night? And who do you want to claim next?

I targted ReaperCharlie last night with False Life. If we decide on him lynched very quickly (And I mean seventy-two hours before the deadline), we'll still have plenty of time to find his potential scum partners (Andrius anyone?) in the case that he does flip town. That way, we'll have a better, more organized idea on who to lynch. Even with his attempt to act like a jester, he still revealed a fair amount of information to the town. Also, I absolutely hated his Day 1 play and his Day 2 play isn't much less scummier. If not for his apprently intentional scummy behavior, I would be doing my very best to lynch his ass.

The person I want to claim next is MrSuave, my top lynch candidate.

[Gammagooey]

Wait so False Life lets us see alignment at the time that they would normally die? Ask Spy if you're not sure pleeeeease.

[Andrius]

Ok wow. RC, its a massclaim. Claim and move on. Sheesh.

Why do you guys make me hate this game? It's just getting depressing.

I'm just not motivated to do much of anything in any of my games.

There really is no reason for you to be stalling this hard.

This. Scum trying to put a positive spin on their obv_scummy powers, IMO.

So...how in the fuck is that town? Especially when I'm already (partially) a town roleblocker?

It isn't. One of you two must not be town. And I'll take my chances with RC.

Kill Andrius.

Don't be blinded by the TRUTH!!!!

Says the man who called himself scum.

Haha, I just finally showed my first interest into putting effort into the game!

*facepalm*

Karma- I don't think that it'll be a "spell" for the mafia that could be seen by Andrius' magicz, but instead that it's a factional ability separate from the other parts of role PMs.

I cannot see Guild Marks, as they're not spells, per-say. And I doubt that the mod made it that easy, me walking around Gunsmith (Magic-Missile Smith) searching for mafioso that way.

But you would be auto-confirmed an alignment to a person, either town or scum.

If this were true I would've been pushing Divination D1. Why wouldn't the town want a masonizer?

Why do you so desire to neighborize a person when you know clearly that scum hunting comes before making a neightborhood?

I like the role. Its cool, useful, and fun. Besides, you can scumhunt in QTs- to a lesser extent, of course.

Remind me to share any remaining relevant secrets once it's over too.

More secrets?
My birthday is coming up and SpyreX won't give POWERFUL BIRTHDAY PRESENTS to me.

For what it's worth, possible killing moves for each PW

abju -> explosive rune
conj -> cloudkill
Ench -> power word Kill
Evo -> meteor swarm
illu -> phantasmal killer
necro -> Wail of the banshee
trans -> temporal stasis

and div... erm... get a deck of many things and draw death or something <_<

Divination is tea leaves and crystal balls. No killing here.

Added to my willing to lynch list but I think I'd still prefer Andrius/Emp.

Apprentice, Necromancy and Divination.

Soooooo, you support my lynch, and you support me/my school? What's this all about?
/mixed messages

Then it turned out

Andrius of all dubious peops

is the diviner, so I retracted on that.

I'll never see my dream fulfilled, will I?

[Gammagooey]

Oh right secrets- I'm pretty sure from the way this stuff is folding out that only one of RC/Karma/Andrius is scum- Forcing your buddy with the scummiest sounding spells to claim early and seemingly unprepared would be a TERRIBLE move on Andrius' part, especially since if he and his divination spells are scum it's a lot more likely to be a full rolecop that he toned down to a namecop to stand out less, and rolecopping a fellow maf is in fact silly. Karma's been pushing on the spells being scummy from the get-go, which seems pretty unlikely to be coming from an RC scum-partner since it keeps up even after a few people are doubtful of using scummy-sounding claims for a basis of lyanchans.
I had more secrets but they were on guessing who the PRs are and have for the most part been flat out wrong sooooo forget about those.

Divination is tea leaves and crystal balls. No killing here.

Obviously you loaded crystal balls into a ICBM for your own SPECIALIZED magic missle =O

SSBF- If you could talk with SpyreX a bit and figure out EXACTLY what happens and how/when it happens if someone that you cast False Life on gets lynched that day it would be awesome.