Mini 980 - Trader Mafia (Game Over)

AlmasterGM · Post Post #700 (ISO) » Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:47 am

If I win the NK, I can just use it to blow nopointinactingup's brains out later. So I'm not really concerned about letting him live temporarily.

What is of critical importance right now is that we know Mafia Team B currently has arsonist AND is vying for the second NK ability (since nopoint is in debt and bought a ton of other stuff). If we do not win this NK from Mafia B, WE PROBABLY LOSE THE GAME. They will have two killing abilities and, barring some incredibly lucky doctor shots followed by some lucky lynches, will stab us in the face and waltz away with a win. The bid is currently up to 297 and it didn't get there on its own, so unless somebody else comes out and counterclaims being a townie bidding on the NK, you know for a fact that I'm telling the truth about being town and trying to win it from them.

Money. Now. Please.

Zajnet · Post Post #701 (ISO) » Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:58 am

I would wire you money, but my cash - debt is currently $5.

Fishythefish · Post Post #702 (ISO) » Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:15 am

At this stage, NPAU could be Mafia A. He could be Mafia B. He could be Mafia B with the Arsonist ability. He could be Mafia B bidding for the NK. And there is NOTHING that tells us which he is. It's incredible that anyone is taking his word for what kind of scum he is - we know for a fact that his

only

priority is staying alive. "No reason to disbelieve him" is not a valid reason for believing someone who has no reason to tell the truth. "Having him under a leash" is a ridiculous thing to say when he could be scum who is going to kill tonight and may have the Governor ability by tomorrow.

I am also not in a position to send you money, AGM.

@SPS: right now, you need to claim all your abilities and transactions for the entire game, and send AGM all your money.

Zajnet · Post Post #703 (ISO) » Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:45 am

Fishythefish wrote:I am also not in a position to send you money, AGM.

What ability(ies) do you have?

Fishythefish · Post Post #704 (ISO) » Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:52 am

I (had) Masonise. I also took out a loan at the same time; I don't have enough money to repay it. (There's also a complication with my total amount of money due to taking out and repaying a loan earlier in the game).

Steam-Powered Shovel · Post Post #705 (ISO) » Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:58 am

Fishy wrote:@SPS: right now, you need to claim all your abilities and transactions for the entire game, and send AGM all your money.

I got the cop and body armour, so I'm in debt and will be going bankrupt. Sorry, AGM, no money from me either.

I sadly targetted Jack Night 1 since he's fairly unreadable and I targetted SK Night 4 - innocent.

Anyway, I tend to think that Zang is Andrius' partner. Jack found a link between them right after he got the double vote - fairly irrelevant then since we did not know either's alignment, but relevant now. As such, I don't trust this nopoint fellow. I also doubt he'd be doing this if there weren't some chance of winning in it for him.

##Vote: nopoint

Fishythefish · Post Post #706 (ISO) » Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:23 am

You targetted SK Night 4? You mean, the guy with claimed investigation immunity? After not investigating anyone for 2 nights?

I don't believe a word of it.

Fishythefish · Post Post #707 (ISO) » Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:33 am

Er... wait. There hasn't even been a night 4. When did you investigate SK?

Steam-Powered Shovel · Post Post #708 (ISO) » Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:39 am

Oh snap. Forgot about the Investigation Immunity.

Okay, for real this time: I'm mafia A. I bought the nightkill and tried to get both the cop and body armour to set up this claim, but I wasn't paying enough attention and failed to get the cop.

Andrius and I decided to off Jack Night 1 since he was going after Andrius (and we figured (correctly) that we'd get away with it.)
Then we decided to off SpyreX since he's a good scumhunter and he was onto me.

nopoint is scum B and all the nightkilling powers lie in their hands. He needs to die.

AlmasterGM · Post Post #709 (ISO) » Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:00 pm

LMAO two players claiming scum in one day? This game is megawin for the town.

Soo since we've got reps from both sides...whose trying to outbid me?

Steam-Powered Shovel · Post Post #710 (ISO) » Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:04 pm

I'm not. I don't have the money.

Zang · Post Post #711 (ISO) » Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:49 pm

SPS-Why did you claim when you were outed as scum instead of before when we were looking for a mafia A counterclaim?

And I think fishy is the second mafia B, he insisted on lynching nopoint even though it could possibly bring doom to the town and him outing SPS seems way to convienent.

##Vote: FishyTheFish

Steam-Powered Shovel · Post Post #712 (ISO) » Thu Jul 01, 2010 1:02 pm

I didn't counterclaim when the town was looking for one because the odds of me winning now that I'm outed are crazy low. As a general rule, it's bad scum strategy to admit to being scum. I might well not have claimed scum even now after the II-forgetting screw-up if not for the fact that I got essentially lynched over that very thing (ie. still denying it even after it was pretty much confirmed I was scum) in Evolution Mafia despite the fact that the other confirmed scum had clear signs of being nightkill immune.

P.S. I find it very peculiar that when faced with two confirmed scum you're voting for someone else entirely.

SaintKerrigan · Post Post #713 (ISO) » Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:04 pm

SaintKerrigan wrote:Zaj, how much money did you have at the start of Day 4?

Answer this, plz.

@ Fishy: What day did you take out your only loan?

I'm still mulling over things, but right now quicklynching SPS and Andrius doesn't seem that bad of an idea to me. The question is which one do we lynch first?

nopointinactingup · Post Post #714 (ISO) » Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:23 pm

Oh god SPS is blatantly lying. He got busted for saying the wrong thing then hastily claim to save his ass from a lynch. If he was really Mafia A, he would either have been very careful not to slip or counterclaim me right after I claimed.

Zajnet · Post Post #715 (ISO) » Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:50 pm

SaintKerrigan wrote:
SaintKerrigan wrote:Zaj, how much money did you have at the start of Day 4?
Answer this, plz.

@ Fishy: What day did you take out your only loan?

I'm still mulling over things, but right now quicklynching SPS and Andrius doesn't seem that bad of an idea to me. The question is which one do we lynch first?

Sorry, I forgot about that. I had $122.

We lynch SPS first.

##Vote: Steam-Powered Shovel

Zajnet · Post Post #716 (ISO) » Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:37 pm

I'm starting to think that the cop's probably scum since nobody has claimed their results.

Which would mean that SPS is the real mafia A, I think.

This is freaking confusing.

Zajnet · Post Post #717 (ISO) » Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:38 pm

Unvote

while I mull this over.

Zang · Post Post #718 (ISO) » Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:44 pm

SPS wrote:P.S. I find it very peculiar that when faced with two confirmed scum you're voting for someone else entirely.

that's because if he is scum (which he probably is) he is definitaly mafia B.

SaintKerrigan · Post Post #719 (ISO) » Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:11 pm

Can anyone confirm receiving a raise from Nopoint's claimed Promotion ability?

Better yet, can anyone counterclaim having the ability?

nopointinactingup · Post Post #720 (ISO) » Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:14 pm

Obviously no one can because I have them =.=

nopointinactingup · Post Post #721 (ISO) » Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:14 pm

My promotion ability was from NS' estate btw.

SaintKerrigan · Post Post #722 (ISO) » Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:18 pm

nopointinactingup wrote:My promotion ability was from NS' estate btw.

Oh.

That would've been a nice thing to know earlier...

nopointinactingup · Post Post #723 (ISO) » Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:20 pm

nopointinactingup wrote:Forgive my measuredness as I need to make sure you guys will not just take my info and kill me.
1> If you are concerned I might be Mafia B then it's a tempting move for the real Mafia A to claim right now to eliminate a mafia B to increase their chance of winning.
Andrius wrote:Hi nopointinactingup! Its been awhile since 930.
And this, does Andrius say hi to anyone besides me?
Though those are weak arguments, those are the only I have to convince you that I'm Andrius' buddy.
2> If you are concerned with the fact that I might have Arsonist, I would like to ask you where do I get such money to buy Arsonist $300 when NK $147, Firefighter $121, and
NS' estate $100
pile up on my debt?
3> I would, but why should I put promotion on Sale?
4> Cannot answer that until we get thing straight.

I did say earlier.

SaintKerrigan · Post Post #724 (ISO) » Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:32 pm

nopointinactingup wrote:
nopointinactingup wrote:Forgive my measuredness as I need to make sure you guys will not just take my info and kill me.
1> If you are concerned I might be Mafia B then it's a tempting move for the real Mafia A to claim right now to eliminate a mafia B to increase their chance of winning.
Andrius wrote:Hi nopointinactingup! Its been awhile since 930.
And this, does Andrius say hi to anyone besides me?
Though those are weak arguments, those are the only I have to convince you that I'm Andrius' buddy.
2> If you are concerned with the fact that I might have Arsonist, I would like to ask you where do I get such money to buy Arsonist $300 when NK $147, Firefighter $121, and
NS' estate $100
pile up on my debt?
3> I would, but why should I put promotion on Sale?
4> Cannot answer that until we get thing straight.
I did say earlier.

That's hardly what I call plain and obvious.

It could've just as easily been you forgetting to include that in there.

Whatever, though. This knowledge straightens out my thoughts about a few things.