Of Gods And Men (GAME OVER!)

[ooba]

WHICH, would appear to indicate that someone has lied and is actually a roleblocker, if ABR is town, since I don't think anyone claimed roleblocker per se (closest is dram, but his JK is via Limbo, so).

Chronopie

By the way, the VV case is wrong. I had my ability timing clarified with the mod - since it is a daybreak action, the worship votes gets activated only in the morning so it works for the next day/night cycle. Hence, VV protected spyreX for D2\N2 when he was already dead.

b) Faraday is lying

About being human/my worship target? Obviously if I didn't worship them then the % us more than it should be, correct?

Two explanations I could think of:
a) You are a god and claimed Mortal. (Which explains the 6-5 difference) - Prob with this theory is that N2 worship does not work out in that case
b) Or another situation which is explained below:

Worship N1
Egyptians
3. ABR 2
6. chronopie 1
7. Fate 4
10. Parama 1
12. totallynotmafia 1
25. CryMeARiver 1
26. Iecerint 2

Actual:

12

Deviation:

12

JCA
16. Snow_Bunny 1
24. rajrhcpfreak 2

Actual:

3

Deviation:

0

Norse
1. BlazeRb (replacing Starbuck) 2
2. Faraday 2
28. DTMaster 2

Actual:

5

Deviation:

+1 (6)

Old Ones
4. manho 3
5. dramonic 2
8. ooba 4
11. Plum 1
14. VasudeVa (replaces Elscouta) 4
15. DarkStalker 1
17. Nikanor 1
21. Tarhalindur 2
18. Mina 2
22. InhimshallIbe (replaces Percy) 2
23. Albatross (replaces Kairyuu) 1

Actual:

24

Deviation:

-1 (23)

Others
20. Katy 0 Nil
27. Xmite81 (replaces FlipScythe (replaces Ortolan)) 0 Nil
9. Mighty Orbots 2 None
13. SaintKerrigan 1 ?
19. SpyreX 1 ?

Reasoning to find the ?sw
- I am guessing SpyreX voted for Old Ones. (Look above - does not clash with VV's claim according to my understanding)
- Just read back Blaze in ISO, I guess he never claimed his worship vote. The only other explanation is that he (or Starbuck) never voted and SK actually voted Norse making it 5.

This also works out with N2 worship so there are no contradictions with respect to God\Mortal claims and worships.

[Fate]

Re-read will have to come tomorrow or Sat. Apparently there are a lot of people on this time of night in my other games

>_>

[Fate]

Also I won't bother PMing the mod cause its hassle and apparently I did worship Egyptians N1 according to Ooba's vote chart.

[ooba]

N2 Worship:

egyptians
28. DTMaster 2
2. Faraday 2
6. chronopie 1
7. Fate 4
Total: 9

JCA
3. ABR 2
5. dramonic 2
8. ooba 4
9. Mighty Orbots 2
10. Parama 1
12. totallynotmafia 1
14. VasudeVa (replaces Elscouta) 4
15. DarkStalker 1
16. Snow_Bunny 1
24. rajrhcpfreak 2
26. Iecerint 2

Percy - 2
Manho - 3

Total: 27

Others
20. Katy 0 - Nil
27. Xmite81 (replaces FlipScythe (replaces Ortolan)) 0 - Nil
21. Tarhalindur 2 - None
23. Albatross (replaces Kairyuu) 1 - None

Old Ones
17. Nikanor 1
25. CryMeARiver 1
Total: 2

Norse

Plum

Total: 1

Well, apart from helping me find who the dead people voted on N1\N2 - that was more or less a wasted exercise. ;(

[Iecerint]

Why do you have Faraday and DTM with 2 votes?

[rajrhcpfreak]

Care to answer why you didn't want to vote Dramonic because of claims of being cautious about getting to a lynch, but in the same post you did place a vote on someone who actually had more votes than Dramonic?

cautiousness came from dramonic acting a little scummy and me just having my eye on him. my vote ended up being placed because of the actual scummy habbits of DarkStalker. i thought that DS actually did deserve my vote where Dramonic deserved an FOS.
i worded it weirdly i know. but i stand by my vote.

Tar's claim sounds beleiveable except for the part where he says hes town. sounds like its a scum role.

So you believe Tar's claim, but that makes you think he's scum. Kay.

lasty im guessing there is a big scum presance on the CMAR wagon.

For that to be true I'm guessing you see CMAR as town. Why?

Top 3 scums and why plz.

1: well kinetic makings roles (copying) from previous games and giving them to their creator is possible since i got a simular mechanic in my role (brining a player into the game from freaktown). just because tar has an ability doesnt mean its for good. i kinda buy the choseing the player and then getting the wildcard role. but it seams all too convient for him to not die now that the block happened. his participation and helpfulness in the game is very valuable in the game.

2: dont really think CMAR is town. just alot of bussing and bad reasoning on the CMAR wagon.

3: 3 scum...
DarkStalker
dramonic
DTMaster
Tarhalindur* still dont know where i stand on him.
Mina
Iecerint (gets an honorable mention for samlessly bandwagoning)


we keep saying that there is probably a big group of scum so might as well have a big list.


lastly, really ice? no good reason. i prolly deserve it but with a role thats very proveable i would atleast think that i would be allowed to live til night so you can see.

on JCA voting. i again dont care who gets the votes. im sure both sides gets advantages so i kept voting the same way so i wouldnt forget. if there is a request for a god to get more votes then tell me now and ill vote that way.

[Iecerint]

Really, Faraday rubs me more the wrong way, but he's apparently confirmed to have redirected Snowie to kill the GF, regardless of whether she always intended to do so.

I'm pretty sure Kinetic hews to the PROVABLE /=/ TOWN ideology, so, especially in cases where you can't really prove that your action was used in a pro-town fashion (ala what apparently happened with Faraday), the rhetoric doesn't do much for me.

Several other players have played the sheep card over the past 10 pages or so. Why aren't they on your scumlist?

[Nikanor]

So I can indeed confirm that Faraday was the last person that I saw targetting Snow_Bunny Night Two and that I believe that it was a redirect to inHimshallibe. Further I can confirm that he did say he got an item from Albatross which matches exactly what Albatross said he gave to Faraday.

2. Faraday -

Harry Dresden (

Mortal

from The Dresden Files) -

Town One-Shot Vigilante.

Why aren't we lynching Faraday? His full claim is here if you really want it, and he has claimed only one-shot vig who targeted Xite on n1.

I think this is cool, considering that Faraday has claimed one-shot vig who has already used his ability.
TWO SCUM CAUGHT HOORAY!

Katy: If your item affects abilities, you should claim it.

- At least one of the neighborizing roles is almost certainly scum. There's just too many of them running around for this not to be the case (not to mention that the last game I saw with a major neighborizing theme - XABC, where Kinetic was Mafia Godfather - had a scum neighborizer).

ODIN could neighborize, remember?

Vote: Faraday.

I'm bamboozled at the lack of votes on this guy.

[Iecerint]

^ If I'm not mistaken, you're missing that Faraday claimed to have gotten an item from Alba (D2, I think) that accounted for the redirect on SB. MO confirmed the redirect.

[Nikanor]

That makes a lot more sense.
Gah I feel like a fool now.
And a preemptive "shush you" goes out to Fate.

Unvote.

[Iecerint]

I know; it's heartbreaking. I wanted to kill him, too.

[Nikanor]

If raj summons someone, the numbers in his wincon will change. That means that if mafia gains an extra member in the night he summons someone, we'll know he's mafia. If town gains someone, we'll know he's town.
raj is a bad lynch for today.
I suggest tnm die.

Vote: totallynotmafia.

[Iecerint]

I assume you mean on ABR's census? Good point.

Unvote

.

[Nikanor]

That's what I meant, yeah.

[Iecerint]

(If he ever manages to produce it again, but ye know.)

[Nikanor]

Worship Plan: Night Three

• [Great Old Ones]
  (
  9/38 or 23.7%
  ):
  Iec - 2
  Mina - 2
  Nikanor - 1
  DarkStalker - 1
  AdumbroDeus - 1
  Albatross - 1
  Chronopie - 1
  Katy - 0
  
• [Norse]
  (
  6/38 or 15.8%
  ):
  VV - 4
  ABR - 2
  
• [Judea-Christian Angels]
  (
  12/38 or 31.6%
  ):
  Fate - 4
  Tar - 2
  MO - 2
  DTM - 2
  Parama - 1
  Snow - 1
  Xite - 0
  
• [Egyptians]
  (
  11/38 or 28.9%
  ):
  ooba - 4
  Faraday - 2
  dram - 2
  raj - 2
  Pom - 1

I'm proposing that JCA gets worship tonight.
-I don't want GOO to get worship because although I am awesome, my ability isn't powerful enough to warrant giving AdumbroDeus unkillability. DarkStalker's cuckoo ability is strong, but I don't really agree with force-replacing people on a game morality basis.
-I don't want Norse to get worship because then Iec will be unkillable (which is not really attractive for me), and ABR will lose his census.
-I don't want the Egyptians to get worship because Chronopie's ability will be useless tomorrow (the only dead-not-buried person will be the lynchee), and because I don't want Katy to become unkillable. Also, Pomegranate the survivor is Egyptian, so yeah.

Does anyone have a problem with this plan?

[Nikanor]

Oh, and if anyone noticed, I subtly left tnm's worship vote out of that list (hint hint).
I also pretended to be an obvious ninja and placed VV with ABR for a reason.
Actually, Chronopie should worship JCA instead of GOO, just so that we have a bigger margin of error or whatever.
raj should worship GOO.
Albatross should worship Egypt.

That leaves us with 34.2% on JCA, 26.3% on Egypt and GOO, and 15.8% on Norse. Looks good to me.

[Nikanor]

Oh, and this gives us something cool to work with, too.
If Albatross's redirect is upgraded to a roleblock, Faraday can block Snow_Bunny to test out that fancy unstoppable kill she claims to have when worshipped.

[Iecerint]

One problem with it is that some player is invariably going to fail to get his worship in on time, either as an excuse for giving whomever else worship or just because of human failure. It would be simpler to minimize Egyptian and Norse worshipping to keep GOO above the 20% and Angels in the majority. The benefits of seeing whether scum would manipulate a marginal situation like that are negligible IMO, so....

But correct me if I'm wrong.

I think DS's cuckoo ability doesn't require GOO worship (?) ...

Also EBWOP @ ooba -- I forgot that mortals are the ones who get 2 votes, since I'm also a player who gets 2 votes; my silly mistake.

Edit: ABR won't be able to use his census ability tonight even if he's protected, if that's what you're thinking. And you've corrected my concern above, so.

[Iecerint]

(EBWOP: I originally had "marginal" where "negligible" is now and forgot about it, so that's why that sentence makes no sense.)

[Nikanor]

I wonder if Snow's "unstoppable kill" works tonight.
That would be neat.

[Katy]

Katy seems a particularly likely choice for Cult Leader (though Fate would also fit).

Well, the only response I can give you to that is that I have a Daybreak action, which I have been demonstrably using - doesn't leave me much time for recruiting cult members overnight.

If Katy is a flavour cop why the hell is she so certain about Ghost guy being town? Wait. flavour? DAMN YOU CANADIAN!

Because my flavor message told me he was benevolent. I have never played in a mafia game where scum was benevolent. Just in case, "benevolent" means "good." It seems kind of weird to me if if Xite were scum that the mod would tell me he is a good spirit.

cautiousness came from dramonic acting a little scummy and me just having my eye on him. my vote ended up being placed because of the actual scummy habbits of DarkStalker. i thought that DS actually did deserve my vote where Dramonic deserved an FOS.
i worded it weirdly i know. but i stand by my vote.

Yeah, that's not really how you said it in your post but again ... I really cannot tell if you are scummy or you are basically just skimming through this game.

Your post was:

dramonic bandwagon.
i support it. i will join later. but i think we need to discuss more before we even get close to ending the day.

(there were two votes on Dramonic at that point.)

Then just below that you say:

Darkstalker.
top of the ooba list and is wanting to kill someone that cant defend thierself.

vote: DarkStalker

(there were five votes on DS at this point).

It's really inconsistent but like I said, I can't tell if it's scummy (and if either you or Dram flips scum, then that's a big link between the two of you) or if it's just that you're lazy and not paying attention.

On the other hand, that is a good point about the fact that the census can deal with raj.

Unvote

Now it's back to the drawing board I guess to look at the claims a bit more closely and then do some more reading.

If your item affects abilities, you should claim it.

It doesn't affect any abilities.

I don't really have any comments on the worship plan. My worship vote doesn't count and it seems like there are potentially helpful powers in all the groups. I would have liked it best if Norse could get worship since we at least know that one scum is dead out of that group, but obviously the census power is way too useful to do that. I'm not sure how I feel about one person choosing and directing everyone in how to vote, but I guess it's more up to the people whose votes count to agree or disagree with the worship choice.

Also, please note my sig - I am off for the holiday weekend. Will have internet access but doubt I will be using it much as ... well, it's a holiday weekend.

[DTMaster]

Fuck. Since we are still at full claim something new happened to me while I was away. I'll reclaim in the format

Rolename: Hit-girl
God\Mortal: Mortal
Any Worship Modifiers: None that I know of, I assume I count for a single vote count since I don't have any abilities that modify vote counts.
Worship vote N1: Norse
Worship vote N2: Egypt
Faction (if any): Lyncher, became town.
Ability: I had a one shot kill.
N1 target: I couldn't do anything because I broke my post restriction. So I wasn't allowed to kill.
N2 target: I shot manho since I felt that he was scum
Ability (upgrade): New Power Up. I obtained a new shiny sword that can protect people. Unfortunately I cannot use the full powers because I am not Yoh from Shaman King so I can't use oversoul powers.

I'll go over the full claims and post my thoughts.

[Nikanor]

I don't really have any comments on the worship plan. My worship vote doesn't count and it seems like there are potentially helpful powers in all the groups. I would have liked it best if Norse could get worship since we at least know that one scum is dead out of that group, but obviously the census power is way too useful to do that. I'm not sure how I feel about one person choosing and directing everyone in how to vote, but I guess it's more up to the people whose votes count to agree or disagree with the worship choice.

Iec's ability is useless (deathproof, woohoo. More like vigproof). Since it's just him and ABR in that group, you'd have to have a decent reason for thinking that Iec being deathproof is more important than ABR's census for people to follow a Norse worship plan.
And about me directing people how to vote... I asked for input, didn't I? You're not even helping with the plan. You're like that guy who doesn't vote in the federal election and then wonders why Bush Jr. gets elected a second time.

[Nikanor]

DTM: So your ability is a normal doctor protect?