Mini 980 - Trader Mafia (Game Over)

[nopointinactingup]

and I recently got FireFighter and Promotion ( carelessly lost the bid on Mason ),

2> If you are concerned with the fact that I might have Arsonist, I would like to ask you where do I get such money to buy Arsonist $300 when

NK $147, Firefighter $121, and NS' estate $100 pile up on my debt

?

It is if you join these two posts . I have nothing to loose as of now so the town should make it's decision. I will not send money to anybody either as it is better for my win-con if Mafia B gets the NK.

[AlmasterGM]

Guys, one of them has arsonist and the other has firefighter ... and I'll bet you anything that person with arsonist ISN'T one of the two clowns claiming today. If we quicklynch both of them, we're giving the mafia two free kills. At least.

OTOH, if we quicklynch, we will almost certainly win the NK because there will only be one of them (and thus no money transfer) versus mine plus Zajnet's wages to outbid. This might not be needed, however - I'm currently winning the NK, and so the scum might simply be out of money.

Personally, I think not lynching and trying to win the nightkill is a better move. If we get it, I can shoot one of them and save a townie from the arsonist.

P.S. Zajnet, I know you only have $5, but every little bit helps.

[nopointinactingup]

1> I'm not a clown, I was involuntarily busted. SFS sure is a clown though
2> Have you noticed it is possible for the town to loose tomorrow if you quick lynch a Mafia A today?
3> Have you considered that SFS has already wired all his money to his partner to bid for the NK?
4> How do we know you are not Scum B and won't shoot the town in the head?

[zoraster]

Day 4 Vote Count

Zang ( 1 ) Fishythefish,
SaintKerrigan ( 0 )
Zajnet ( 0 )
nopointinactingup ( 1 ) Steam-Powered Shovel,
Fishythefish ( 1 ) Zang,
Steam-Powered Shovel ( 2 ) AlmasterGM, Zajnet,
AlmasterGM ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 2 ) nopointinactingup SaintKerrigan,
Total Votes ( 7 )
Deadline: July 9th at 11:00 EDT
With 7 total votes, 4 needed to lynch.

Marketplace

To place a bid, PM Zoraster with the highest price you would be willing to pay.

7 Night Kill x 2

- Twice per game, you may PM the mod with a target. The following night, you will attempt to kill that person.
MB: 50 CB: 297 Deadline: 0:01:00 7/3/2010

8 Governor x 1

- Once per game, you may PM the mod to use the governor power. This will skip that day's lynch. You must PM the mod BEFORE night falls. Twilight is fine, but you risk night falling before you get your PM in.
MB: 30 CB: 101 Deadline: 12:17:00 7/3/2010

9 Deadline Setter

- You may set the deadline for the following day by PMing the mod before night falls. You may decide two variables: 1) the minimum lynch time (from 0-3 days), 2) the maximum deadline (from 7-14 days).
MB: 1 CB: 1 Deadline: 12:00:00 7/3/2010

Current bids may not be up-to-date. Current Bids and Deadlines will only be kept up-to-date by edit until the next vote count is posted.

[AlmasterGM]

1> I'm not a clown, I was involuntarily busted. SFS sure is a clown though
2> Have you noticed it is possible for the town to loose tomorrow if you quick lynch a Mafia A today?
3> Have you considered that SFS has already wired all his money to his partner to bid for the NK?
4> How do we know you are not Scum B and won't shoot the town in the head?

1>true.
2>not if I win NK and kill SPS.
3>Yes, it's possible I am simply going to win. I just want to be sure.
4>You don't know with absolute certainty. However, you can be pretty sure because of this reason: There are clearly two people bidding on the NK - otherwise, it wouldn't be up to 297. I am the only one claiming to be a townie and offering to let the town control the kill. So, unless there is secretly another townie out there bidding on it and not claiming it OR I'm bidding against my own scumpartner (not likely at all), then I'm town. Also, I think I've played a pretty protown game, so I don't see why you would go out of your way to think I'm scum.

[AlmasterGM]

FUCK, I just PM'd the mod to check my bid and I am losing the nightkill.

LOSING. THE. NIGHTKILL.

Since nobody seems to have any extra money to spare, I suggest we go into super duper quicklynch mode. Otherwise, we will die.

[nopointinactingup]

Phew I was planning to wire money to Mafia B but I guess they worked it all out. SPS's claim disastrously pushed the balance of power to the town's side but now that Mafia B's likely to have both Arsonist and NK, things will balance out quickly. Of course I have the least power of all since I'm alone and identity-confirmed, so I'll be striving for a happy ever after. And yes, I'm talking to you Scum Bs.

[SaintKerrigan]

Everyone. Massclaim. Now.

What roles you have/had. How much money you have. Your entire spending/borrowing history. What you bid on. Everything.

Our best chance lies in identifying who the final Scum B is, and our best hope of doing that right now is for everyone to claim so we can try to catch someone by the paper trail.

Meanwhile, bring SPS to L-1. He is definitely Scum B. After the massclaim, or after 5:00 p.m. CST,

I

will hammer SPS.

Anyone

else who does so will be identified as scum and lynched. If a townie decides to be a jackass and hammer anyway, you will be hated and scorned for the rest of your days, in addition to being lynched. Do I make myself clear?

[SaintKerrigan]

EBWOP: Also, you need to say exactly when you made payments to pay off your debt.

[nopointinactingup]

SPS is B guys. He's got cop while Andrius bought inestigation imune. That's just way too luxurious for my taste. I'll claim when I get home after my finals today

[SaintKerrigan]

EBWOP x2: I'd go first, but I just discovered some irregularities with my cash amount that I need to get cleared with Zoraster. For now, I'll just say that Mugger was the only ability I bought, and I currently have Investigation Immunity and Doctor x2 from mugging Andrius. I'll do a detailed report after getting the cash situation ironed out.

[Fishythefish]

I'll have to dig out the precise details of bids and amounts later today (slightly short on time now), but for now here's everything I've done - I think all the numbers can be worked out from this:
- Took out max loan day 1. Bid on a few abilities (Cop, Pickpocket, NK), but got none of them (was kinda screwed by all the action happening between 11pm and 5am).
- Repayed the loan that day.
- Did nothing until Day 3.
- Took out a loan to get to $300, and bid $300 for Masonise.
- Got Masonise.

SPS is a way better bet than NPAU for Mafia B; I'm not believing the claim that his Mafia tried to buy ALL of {NK, BA, Doc, Cop, II}. So much unnecessary protection against their own abilities + ridiculously ambitious.

I will vote for him later today; I don't want to take him to L-1 before we have everyone's full claims out in the open.

[AlmasterGM]

--Bid on nothing Round 1 (well, my predecessor didn't)
--Got pickpocketed N1
--Bid on Gunsmith Round 2, won it. No loans needed, it didn't sell for much.
--Investigated SpyreX (came up blank)
--Investigated Zang (came up blank)
--Took out a loan for $296 total (300% of my total cash, $74)
--Bid it all on the NK in Round 3 and failed to win.

[Zang]

Day 1-

Took out 300 loan
bid 251 on pickpocket (got it)
paid 100 on loan.
Pickpocketed AGM and got 20.

Day 2-

Pickpocketed Nopoint and got 38.75

Day 3-

pickpocketed zajnet and got 34.

Day 4-

Sold pickpocket and got 2.



Who did buy my pickpocket?

[Zajnet]

D1: took out $46 loan, bid on NK, cop, doc, won nothing
D2: got banker for $101, paid off loan, set i% to 15%
D3: took out max loan bringing me to $136 total
N3: got pickpocketed for $34
D4: have $122, bidding on deadline setter (why not lol)

[AlmasterGM]

How did you go from having only $5 to having $122 to bid on deadline setter (a completely pointless ability, btw)?

[Zajnet]

My cash - debt is $5. I can't wire you money if I have any debt, so I would have to pay off my debt then wire you my $5 remaining.

[AlmasterGM]

Ooook so why did you waste that on DEADLINE SETTER when we could have been winning the NK?

[Zajnet]

I could pay off the debt and give you $5, I just don't see the point.

I'm only bidding $1 on the deadline setter.

[nopointinactingup]

Okay, though I'm scum, I think I have to list financial statement too o_0.
D1: I'm guessing my predecessor borrowed $200, got NK for $147, then paid back $53 of his debt.
D2: No activity except for the usage of NK, got pickpocketed by Zang in Night 2.
D3: No activity except for the usage of NK.
D4: Borrowed $160 more to finance Firefighter($121) and NS Estate ($100). I actually tried to get Arsonist but the bid went all the way up to $300. I now have $55.25 + $203 from NS Estate, but I have to pay for NS' debt by tomorrow ( $287.5 x 1.1 ) So I need to keep Promotion today.

[Fishythefish]

I'll have to dig out the precise details of bids and amounts later today (slightly short on time now), but for now here's everything I've done - I think all the numbers can be worked out from this:
- Took out max loan day 1. Bid on a few abilities (Cop, Pickpocket, NK), but got none of them (was kinda screwed by all the action happening between 11pm and 5am).
- Repayed the loan that day.
- Did nothing until Day 3.
- Took out a loan to get to $300, and bid $300 for Masonise.
- Got Masonise.

SPS is a way better bet than NPAU for Mafia B; I'm not believing the claim that his Mafia tried to buy ALL of {NK, BA, Doc, Cop, II}. So much unnecessary protection against their own abilities + ridiculously ambitious.

I will vote for him later today; I don't want to take him to L-1 before we have everyone's full claims out in the open.

Filling in the gaps here;
- Beginning of day 1 $100.
- Max loan to $400 cash, $300 loan.
- Repayed that loan; $84 left.
- D2, $104
- D3, $124
Took out a loan of $176; cash $300, loan $176; bid $300 on masonise.
- D4; cash $320, loan $202
- Bought Masonize for $122. I'm left with $198 in cash, and a loan of $202. Unless the interest rate goes down to less than 10%, I'm never going to be in a position to repay that.

[Zajnet]

People need to bring SPS to L-1 soon. Damn soon.

[Fishythefish]

NPAU: Go and get the details of your predecessor's transactions from the mod, and claim them immediately.

I will be on on and off for the next several hours. I will vote SPS if it's necessary before my last access for the evening.

[Fishythefish]

Actually, there's no need. NPAU is lying.

Zang took $155 off him N2. How much would scum with no activity have on N2? 125+30=155. To have $155 in any other way is seriously unlikely. If he took out a loan on the NK, and didn't repay it, it would have to be the bizarre figure of $147 (the fact that that's the price of the NK was irrelevant; that's not what he would have

bid

for it). If he took out a loan and repayed all he could, that's impossible.

So. Unless Zang is very clever Mafia B, or I'm being a complete idiot, NPAU is Mafia B.

[Fishythefish]

EBWOP: Zang took 155/4 off NPAU on N2. So NPAU had $155 on that night.