Mini 980 - Trader Mafia (Game Over)

[SaintKerrigan]

"Since you're paying $315, 5% of 315 is 15.75, and 315 - 15.75 = $299.25, which is the amount of debt you've actually paid off."

By this reckoning, you're still $1 dollar in debt.

And even

if

somehow all this information is erroneous, you're still going to be lynched tomorrow because you hammered SPS. I said last night that

I'd

be the one to hammer SPS. Anyone else who does it, regardless of what alignment or motivations they claimed, would be lynched the next day. This was to discourage scum quickhammers, but apparently you didn't heed the warning.

The fact that the hammer was when I was trying to get people off the SPS wagon and onto you makes it even more damning.

[AlmasterGM]

I have to admit, quicklynching was prreeeeeety stupid.

[Fishythefish]

@SK: Please. Take a step back and think about the situation!

By that reckoning, I would be $1 in debt

if I had payed back 315

. I payed back

316

. That's the whole fucking point of this ridiculous argument!

As for the quickhammer, I've explained that. You'd just given a reason to lynch me. It was flawed, but with the information you thought you had it was totally right, and a quicklynch on me would have been a reasonable response. I had two votes, there were two scum who could hammer me, and Zajnet would clearly vote for me. Your statement that "only you should hammer" was pretty irrelevant to my thinking at that stage.

Put yourself in my shoes for a second. If I get lynched, that's basically a loss for the town. I'm quite possible about to get lynched. I'm in a position to quickhammer known scum, and probably Mafia B. What the hell else am I expected to do? Wait for my quicklynch in order to stick to your arbitrary rule that I'm not allowed to hammer anyone?

Hammering someone is not a scummy action. Preventing your own lynch to lynch known scum is not a scummy action, when there isn't time to derail the case on you by better means (ie. waiting for the mod in this situation).

[SaintKerrigan]

You know, Fishy, I'm not going to continue arguing with you about that because no matter what I say, you're going to disagree with it since it proves you're guilty. I'll just wait for the mod to come in and prove that your numbers are off.

And sorry, but we're lynching you tomorrow. End of story. I was pretty clear about this last night. If you forgot about it, too bad.

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Everyone else: Make sure Fishy dies tomorrow no matter what, especially after he incinerates me tomorrow to try and get town off the rails. Don't listen to his lies.

[Fishythefish]

You know, Fishy, I'm not going to continue arguing with you about that because no matter what I say, you're going to disagree with it since it proves you're guilty. I'll just wait for the mod to come in and prove that your numbers are off.

And sorry, but we're lynching you tomorrow. End of story. I was pretty clear about this last night. If you forgot about it, too bad.

@SK: clearly, the mod's proving my numbers are right is necessary before this discussion is relevant.

But please. When the mod confirms I'm right, just think for a minute about the situation I was in. Quickhammers are usually bad. This one was totally necessary.

I really don't think you've said anything (other than the numbers) that proves I'm guilty in any way. What would you have done in that situation? Specifically:

- You told people you'd do the hammering of SPS.
- SPS, outed scum, is at L-1.
- I'm at L-2, with 2 outed scum not voting for me and another player who's primed to believe I'm scum, and a probably town player claiming 100% evidence that I'm scum.

What was I supposed to do? That's all I'm asking.

You saying "anyone who hammers is scum"

does not make anyone who hammers scum

. I had a valid motive for hammering, and if you really can't see that you are not thinking hard enough about the situation. I'll say it one more time, for luck - as a townie, it's sensible to substitute your lynch for a known scum lynch. Even if that means quickhammering.

[SaintKerrigan]

Well, things just got trickier. If what Fishy says is true, that means the mod is rounding off numbers...which actually makes

Zang

the final scum we're looking for.

Earlier he said he pickpocketed 38.75 off of Nopoint. However, since Fishy's mathematics absolutely requires the mod to be rounding off all of his numbers, that means the 38.75 from Nopoint would actually have been rounded up to 39. This definitely looks like a calculated number by Zang to try and support Nopoint's story.

So, things seem quite clear. If my version of the interest battle is correct, Fishy is undeniably scum. If Fishy's version is correct, then Zang is absolutely scum. If the mod does not answer the pertinent question with his next post,

do not vote for anyone

until the mod has answered the question.

I'm telling you this now because I'm pretty sure the Arsonist is going to try to kill me ASAP tomorrow so I can stop pointing these things out. This way, I can still get this vital info out for you guys.

[SaintKerrigan]

EBWOP: If Zang is scum, lynch Nopoint first. Zang sank a lot of money into Pickpocket and didn't get nearly enough to pay it back.

[Fishythefish]

@SK: I'm not saying the mod is rounding. I was rounding, the precise figures for my money are:
D1 $100/$300 (cash/loan)
D1 $84.25/0
D2 $104.25/$0
D3 $124.25/$0
D3 $300/$175.75
D4 $320/202.115
D4 $198/202.115

[Fishythefish]

Incidentally. Just to complicate things a tiny bit futher, I've just realised that actually, my version of interest does

not

predict 315.75 (my actual repayment). It predicts more like 317.784... . And I've no idea why that is. It seems that in this calculation, you've been charged 5% on $315 - not $300 (as SK thought) or $315.75 (as I thought).

ASAP, I'd like people to ask me questions, or give their views, about my quickhammering. There's obviously a lot of RL time pressure in this game, and I should be able to show that the quickhammer was my only move (because I really think it was).

[nopointinactingup]

Did Fishy just murder his partner out of coldblood?

[nopointinactingup]

I get it, Fishy must have wanted Happily Ever After, I'm totally for it!
+Unless the Doctor or the Firefighter protects the right one. But I won't use my Firefighter So Fishy would probably get through by targetting SK out of the two people he can target. ( If he targets SK and a town, we have 3 left from 3 alignment tomorrow, thus a draw ).
+However, Fishy can just kill me ( and SK, so that leaves 2 towns and Fishy) then fight his way out of a lynch tomorrow ( Most probably using the governor's ability ) so someone like AGM should bid the most probable money on Governor if you don't want Mafia B to win. I don't think I've given Mafia B so much money as to out bid AGM on Governor too.
--> So in conclusion, Happily Ever After is the most probable outcome. Love yall!

[nopointinactingup]

Wait no. Fish will win if there are 3 ( 1 town, me, Fish ) left? Suppose we all want H.E.A, and don't vote. Then night comes and Fish kills off both of us T_T?

[SaintKerrigan]

Ok, so the mod actually

doesn't

round numbers, except when reporting the Asset PMs.

...which actually places even more suspicion on Fishy since all he should be doing, actually, is read from his Asset PMs. If he were actually doing so, Post #808 is completely unnecessary.

At the same time, why did Zang get $38.75 off of a pickpocket?

[SaintKerrigan]

EBWOP: How did Zang

know

he got $38.75, a fractional number, off a Pickpocket?

[Zajnet]

Maybe the mod said that he got that much off of the pickpocket.

You did say that the mod only rounds asset PMs.

[zoraster]

@mod: Suppose a player takes out a loan of $300. How much do they repay if they repay it the same day?

You may pay off your debt at any point. However, any debt you pay off in the first day is charged a 5% service fee. So for example if you take out a $100 loan and pay off $50 of that debt, you will only have paid off $47.5 of the debt, leaving you with a debt of $52.5.

The equation (thanks for the algebra help, girlfriend) is: x/.95 = y
where x=amount of debt you want to pay off and
y= the amount you have to pay me to get that.

So for a $300 loan paid off the same day, you'll have to pay off 315.79. I'm be happy to round to the nearest .25 or so.

[SaintKerrigan]

Yeah, Zang would "hypothetically" be told the exact number he got from the Pickpocket, but still have his Asset PM rounded up.

And...yeah, I'm in the wrong. Dammit.

All right, no one vote at all tomorrow, since we can't stop someone from getting the NK with a speedlynch anyway. I need to think things over (again).

[Zajnet]

So is there going to be a votecount and lynch? Or are we missing something?

[nopointinactingup]

SK, you'd be dead by tomorrow. Fishy's on you

[SaintKerrigan]

SK, you'd be dead by tomorrow. Fishy's on you

I well aware that I'm almost certainly a dead man tomorrow.

[SaintKerrigan]

Zang: Did you or did you not receive $20 from AGM on the N1 Pickpocket?

[nopointinactingup]

So if there's analysis you want to make, you'd better make them fast, before the mod shows up with a scene

[nopointinactingup]

I'll give you a clue though. You can be 100% sure SPS flips Scum B cuz I'm A (=

[zoraster]

Just a note that a LOT is going on right now in this game. I let twilight lag for long enough, so this is a placeholder until I can make sure I've got everything right. This game will be updated after I get back from the gym, brunch and shopping for a lovely new broom. So give me a few hours before PMing me in disgust!