Mini 985:Madness at Night: Game over

[crypto]

I'm not assuming he's scum. If he's really a gunsmith then counterclaiming SSBF was reasonable enough.

[AlmasterGM]

God, why are we arguing with the scum about this. There is no way this whole "two cops, one's insane" or "AGM is lying" garbage is true. This is an easy, simple case of SCUM GETTING CAUGHT LYING and SCUM GETTING CAUGHT BY COP.

The rest of the town needs to show up.

P.S. @hiphop, my previous post explained my position on lynching SSBF vs llama. If you don't believe it, whatever. I'm totally fine with lynching either so I'm not going to sit here and pull teeth over it.

[llamaeatataco]

Hey almaster, do you remember what happened the last time the town followed your cop claim with a guilty to a speedlynch d2 (or was it d3, I don't remember)?

[AlmasterGM]

no, what are you talking about

[llamaeatataco]

Weren't we in Halo mafia together? Didn't you claim cop and get someone speedlynched when you were really the lyncher?

[AlmasterGM]

yeah because what happened in a a theme game with a 3rd party lynchers who had very specific wincons definitely applies to a mini normal

[SpyreX]

Night 1, I investigated AlmasterGM, mainly because I felt there was a potential connection between him and Sando, who flipped scum.

I received my result. AlmasterGM is town.

Neverthless, AlmasterGM's claim is really surprising and to be honest, I don't believe it. Two investigative roles doesn't sound like overboard, but three does. I know that AlmasterGM is town, but the only way I'm even going to have a chance at believing it is if he is right about llamaeatataco is scum.

So therefore, here are the possible scenario's:
1. Me and AlmasterGM are the cops (Doubt it)
2. I'm the real cop and charter is the gunsmith (Believe this)
3. AlmasterGM is the cop and charter is the gunsmith (I know I'm town, so no)

I know I'm the cop, so obviously not #3. The first scenario is also very unlikely and too themish for my taste, so I believe that charter and me are the gunsmith and cops respectively.


@AlmasterGM: What if llamaeatataco is actually town? What if I get killed and flip town? What if we're actually both cops? What would be your reaction?

This post makes every fiber of my being want to lynch SSBF. Every bit of it.

And I need to really process what the right way to go is: Like crypto, I think that with what we see Llama makes sense.

However, this still doesn't add up on a fundamental level:

1.) Barring a truly bizarre setup Alamaster is town. No way with a godfather down, and not getting on that wagon, and I STILL FIRMLY BELIEVE one of the other two (SSBF) is scum would you setup a 2-1 scum sided gambling game.
--- With Alamaster being town unless this is some truly magnificent scum-scum dance this setup IS bizarre and, realisitically, there is either a fat scumteam or all scum PR's.
2.) Charter, not SSBF, was roleblocked.
--- Additionally, there was only one kill and it protected this mess. Which means it needs to be cleaved with fire and ropes.
3.) In Llama's faaabulous voting post he claimed a PR. And apparently claimed it before? Yet, of course, softclaims with multiple investigative roles and a guilty is tech.

I don't like it. I don't like when things don't make sense.

Unvote, Vote: Llama

This be tenative yo.

Hiphop is still town, btw.

As for the Sando lynch no I wasn't convinced by podium. However, I was more than happy to sheep with hiphop.

[SpyreX]

GOD quote issues I AM NOT A COP

[llamaeatataco]

also, wtf how could you forget a game like that? It was so full of fail. The scumteam imploding faster than Vulcan in the Star Trek remake, you got your win in less than a page in like 24 hours (I just remember that the whole day passed before I could post).

here's the link in case your amnesia persists.
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 08&start=0

Just the highlights: Alamaster was the lyncher, he claimed cop d2 and got a person lynched super fast and won.

And yes I'm being all hypocritical and using meta and stuff, but in this instance the actual content of the other game is irrelevant. What is relevant is that Alamaster is trying his best to ignore it. I do believe I've brought this up before, but I might have edited it out.

f. YOU MADE ME CLICK TWICE!

It definitely applies here. People can fake claim cop, and you still haven't shown us why lynching you wouldn't tell us at least as much as lynching me or ssbf.

THRICE?!?!?

@Spyrex: go read back before my first v/la. I was at like l-2 and I kept saying 'I don't want to claim, are you sure you want to lynch me.' If the scum didn't pick up on that they fail.
Also, please make sense. I read your post like 3 times and I still can't figure out what message you were trying to convey.

[SpyreX]

Alamaster is town in all but a few scenarios in which welp I'm not gonna worry because this setup would be borked from the getout soo.

And "ohhh i'm a power rolleeeee" doesn't mean a lot in the best of scenarios but TEAM COP COP ACTION COP really makes me just roll at the softclaims.

[llamaeatataco]

o.0 wtf?

how about this: alamaster is lying scum and ssbf is just a fail insane cop. You see, as long as that is a possibility, lynching me will prove nothing.

[SpyreX]

As town as I think charter is in that mess I'm even more convinced with the way this went down that Alamaster is.

So, if thats the magic bullet welp

[llamaeatataco]

...And why do you think Charter is town? simply because you like his claim?

[SpyreX]

Thats a big part of it. Its a solid town read. Ya know, like hiphop.

And not you.

[llamaeatataco]

Oh, because that totally answered my question.

[SpyreX]

Pretty sure it did. That claim at that juncture doesn't make sense from scum.

And, yes, its a gut read. Like hiphop - whom I didn't like at start but flipped that town switch like a pro.

[llamaeatataco]

and why does it not make sense as scum?

[SpyreX]

To cc a "cop" as a gunsmith?

[llamaeatataco]

Spyrex, I'm too lazy to go check again. What is your position on nopoint's claim?

[SpyreX]

Town.

[llamaeatataco]

so you're saying that scum can never trick the town by being daring? That a ballsy claim completely erases a whole game of scumminess?

[llamaeatataco]

wtf where did everybody go? Why does nobody ever post on my days off?

[crypto]

We're busy being indecisive. They're busy being lurker scum. I'm still puzzling over sacrificing you, a town read, to dig a little deeper into the cop deadlock.

[llamaeatataco]

and what exactly will my death tell you? That Alamaster is either insane/paranoid, real, or lying scum?

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

@hiphop and llamaeatataco: I disagree that we get nothing out of a llamaeatataco lynch.

From investigating AlmasterGM, I got a Town result from him. AlmasterGM claims that he investigated llamaeatataco and got a Mafia result from him.

If llamaeatataco flips scum like AlmasterGM said, then that means I am insane cop and AlmasterGM is scum. If AlmasterGM is wrong and llamaeatataco is town, then he is insane cop.

With charter, we can hit one scums and look for connections with other scumbags based on evidence. Lynching llamaeatataco runs the risk of hitting a townie, but if llamaeatataco is scum, then AlmasterGM is scum as well. Basically, we potentially have two scums caught. If llamaeatataco is scum, then town can wrap up a game without a mislynch. I'm willing to take this risk.

Vote: llamaeatataco