Mini 1001 - Guys, Pt. 2 [adult] Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Well.

Someone seems antsy D:

Why the unvote there NS? I don't think "I lost interest' cuts it~

[Ythill]

@Exilon:

I don't see anything scummy in those responses you quoted. Other than IoA and the incredibly subjective descriptor "a little bah," what you really haven't said anything. And I disagree wholeheartedly with your conlusions. Except the one where you're just agreeing with what I said, of course. It looks like you're trying too hard.

[Exilon]

@Exilon:

I don't see anything scummy in those responses you quoted. Other than IoA and the incredibly subjective descriptor "a little bah," what you really haven't said anything. And I disagree wholeheartedly with your conlusions. Except the one where you're just agreeing with what I said, of course. It looks like you're trying too hard.

'crap traps'?

Good God... I don't even know anymore /jk

(...)
We have lots of rope. We have post restricted NS....may God bless your soul oh weary one .... We have Exilion being...well...Exilion? Did I mention we have lots of rope still?

Have

I

missed anything?

"I don't really know what to say, so I'll just joke about it"; addresses the point/trap but avoids a serious commitment to it. Afraid of something?

I don't know Exilion.

Do

you

think you should?

Still on the same lines.

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Have

I

missed anything?

Yes, he was here for dinner earlier.

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Vote: Exilon

for that suspicious-looking countervote.

IP "unvotes" (lol) and then votes on me instead. You know what this vote came after? This statement:

I'll be voting someone else by the end of tonight; give me time to relax, masturbate, and reread some posts. Guess which one will be taking up most of my time?

Yet his vote does not come from anything he claimed he'd be doing.

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I like my vote where its at.

*nods nods*

"Nod nod; yes, I need to reassure myself. I'm doing the right thing. Yeah."
Seems like trying to convince himself of something.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Seeing as I second guess myself fairly often in games like these, you might actually be on to something there

[Ythill]

Yet his vote does not come from anything he claimed he'd be doing.

Can you prove he didn't vote you based on masturbation.

Seriously though, it still just seems like you're pointing to null character traits and calling them scummy. I'm don't know that I find what you're doing suspicious, just pointless. Hell, the quote of IP that you posted sounds decicively townie to me. He saw something he found suspicious, said what it was, and then dropped a vote on you. The fact that he cracked a joke means nothing in a game full of silly banter.

[Ythill]

Fuck my grammar and typing suck after I've been up all night with no coffee. Sorry.

[Exilon]

The problem isn't the joke (and I just realized his 'Guess which one will be taking up most of my time?' was relating to what action he'd spend the most time doing and not the person he'd spend the most time reading), but that he implied he'd vote according to his reread (which presumably lets him build a solid reasoning) yet votes on me for that reason, which suggests he doesn't have better leads.

[Amished]

Calling Mafuyu-town and InflatablePie-scum as of this post.

Unvote
Vote: Zazie

Whatever.

Your last vote.

And? I still need to find any/all partners to IPenis.

Hey, Ythill: These were on page 3. You wanna try again cause I had this explanation in thread that I was looking for IP's partners. It's not something new or invented after the fact.

[The Mods]

Cliquey: On another forum I visit a man has decided to look at the effects of Pineapple on his semen. So far he has tasted no difference, about 5 days in. It a constant 4/10 rating. Dram, reck, I dare say this is your realm of expertise.

VOTE COUNT NUMBER EIGHT-IS-MATE

BloodCovenant (1): Mafuyu
InflatablePenis (1): Amished
Exilon (2): Ythan, InflatablePenis
Amished (3): Ythill, BloodCovenant, Midnight's Sorrow
Midnight's Sorrow (1): Exilon

Nonvoters (2): DTMaster, Untrod Tripod, Nobody Special

With ?? alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is the 22nd at 3:00PM EST.

[InflatablePie]

Fuck my grammar and typing suck

You suck.

...

...

;D

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To be honest, I got extremely lazy outside of working the last few days (and got addicted to Guild Wars), so I never actually reread. I should still do that.

Don't see how laziness in this case is a scumtell.

[Nobody Special]

I need to read the whole thread again but it won't be until tonight as work is busy.

[Ythill]

@Ami:

Yeah, I got that but then you switched your vote before getting that information. Explain please? I'm more interested in what you did than in what you said.

@Exi:

Okay, whatever. I understand your reasoning, I just don't agree with it, which is fine.

[Ythan]

I could do Amish today. I could also still do Ex today.

[Amished]

@Ami:

Yeah, I got that but then you switched your vote before getting that information. Explain please? I'm more interested in what you did than in what you said.

@Exi:

Okay, whatever. I understand your reasoning, I just don't agree with it, which is fine.

As long as I could narrow down the list (like I provided) I was fine with it. I didn't need complete information, but I got more sure that IP is scum and then reduce the number of people to really look at and find scumtells in. I didn't feel the need to try to solve the game 100%; getting a scum member and a couple people that aren't with him was enough of a goal.

You said something about I switched my vote when there was more IP support for scum; when was this? I was pretty sure that I'm the only one that had ever voted him but I'd love to be proven wrong.

[Amished]

Also:
@Ythan: Whom *wouldn't* you do, ever?

[Ythill]

@Ani:

Yeah, I guess that makes sense, thanks for your answer. I still believe that people are going to need to be up your butt with a magnifying glass if/whan Mafuyu flips scum, but without that evidence, I'll accept your reasons.

You said something about I switched my vote when there was more IP support for scum; when was this?

Ythan jabbed him in #s 60, 65, & 75; I called him suspicious in #111. I may have been remembering suspicion of him as more prevelant than it actually was, due to the number of attacks that you made against him yourself.

unvote

I'll try to do some rereading tonight and get my vote back up after I have done so.

[Ythan]

Also:
@Ythan: Whom *wouldn't* you do, ever?

This is Guys.

[Amished]

@Ythill: I'm failing to understand why you thought my case against IP is reaching now that we cleared everything up.

He's really only attacked one player, and somebody that I would classify as an easy target (Mafuyu) being as newbie as he seems. This is not the actions of a townie and my main gripe with him. He's actively non-contributed to the game otherwise and was excessively worried about what I (and only I) would say about him if he switched votes. That implies a greater than what I would classify as normal self-preservation for a town aligned player.

@Ythan: What don't you like about Exi?

[Ythan]

I can probably go read the thread and find some posts I made for you if you want.

[Mafuyu]

@Amished: Sexual innuendo aside, what point is there in asking who Ythan absolutely wouldn't lynch? Mafuyu hasn't seen that kind of question done Day 1 because the usual assumption is that unless confirmable evidence is brought up, it's a fruitless question. It's possible with the subtext that Ythill mentioned before that Ythan could have gotten reasonable evidence supporting towniness, but Mafuyu wouldn't think it possible without an ability or role designation to know for certain who is town. It seems like a very awkward question to ask considering your current set of questions and responses. Was it meant to be phrased that way to get a certain kind of result?

[Amished]

@Mafuyu: it was just for the sexual innuendo.

@Ythan: If you would, please. Exi hasn't really set off any alarm bells for me so I was wondering what was causing hate for him.

[Ythill]

@Ami:

To answer your question I'm going to quote the case and insert my comments in colored text.

To clarify: Mafuyu seems pretty newbie. The Yth's, me, you (BC), Zazie and NS are all not very easy targets. IP-scum in this situation would be nervous about this and go after an easy mislynch (mafuyu does seem to fit the bill).

This theory is predicated on the assumption that IP is scum because him honestly suspecting Maf is just as likley. Maf's account is new but screams alt. She doesn't seem to be lynchbait based on anything other than her join date, and she's done a few legitimately scummy things. Meanwhile, Exilon is almost as new, familliar to IP as lynchbait, and dealing with a language barrier. If IP was going for an easy lynch, he'd be on Exilon.

To note: In ISO 2, he challenges Ythill's town read of NS (like he knows Ythill is town) and then challenges his pro-townieness in the same paragraph.

The challenge to my reads sounded legitimate to me, and it was alignment-neutral. Then he went on to wonder about my seemingly frivolous Zazie vote, which he was right to question. I like that he seems to have already gone through the WIFOM of the suspicion in his head and is perplexed by why I would take an action that, on its face, seems classically anti-town.

In the same post, he attacks Mafuyu for something that isn't a scumtell (never too early for random theories) and piggybacks Ythan for something he "does not like".

Maf was trying to stifle relevant discussion, and the point of agreement was fence sitting. IMO, that's a strong, solid case to justify a page 3 vote.

Also, I do like the little trap that I set up for him. By calling him obv-scum and the bussing comments, it shouldn't bother him if he's town. Town would vote for whomever that they want regardless of other people's opinion of them. To not vote because of one person is not the action of a townie.

This is based on your assumption of how town and scum should play. I do agree that acting based on fear of suspicion is something scum do and I think this is the most noteworthy point of your case, but I've seen town do it too.

Then he loses track of where his vote is; and attacks Mafuyu *again* for something that isn't a scumtell (random votes).

People forget things as either alignment. You neglect to consider that Maf's random vote came long after discussion had therefore demonstrated a lack of scumhunting.

Support to my points:
I try for a quickhammer in mini 815 and when I get caught as scum my mindset was to lash back, but to not move my vote for fear of looking more scummy.

Shit, I can't find the other one: All I know is that I replaced out D1 as scum in a Friends and Enemies game by ABR with people like Vi, Troll, ekiM, Ojanen and I lost track of my vote. I have no clue what it was called anymore though The point is that I know where my vote is at all times as town; and I've only lost track of it as scum because you're fabricating scumreads.

This is where it gets really stretchy. Mistakes that one person has made as scum have little relevence to which mistakes someone else is likely to make as scum. The fact that you made them as scum says nothing about whether they are more common from scum or town. The fact that you felt the need to include this non-evidence gives the impression that you felt the actual evidence of IP's alignment wasn't enough to be convincing on its own.

FTR, I still haven't done any rereading but I'll get to it eventually.

[Ythill]

EBWOP:

You neglect to consider that Maf's random vote came long after discussion had

started and

therefore demonstrated a lack of scumhunting.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

*knee-tapping impatience*

Unvote
Vote: DTMaster

You haven't wowed us yet.

[Ythill]

Rereads complete. Here are my feelings on today's lynch.

VOTE: Mafuyu

Yessir

• Nobody Special: He's posted more than one sentance iso #s 6, 23, & 35 without any ramifications. It may be that quotes and votes don't count for his restriction but, if that's the case, I wonder why he has been separating out his votes in other places and why he hasn't used heavy quoting as a way to contribute without violating his restriction. He's also been hiding behind the restriction a bit. Even if he's telling the truth and is town, mislynching him will hurt the town less than mislynching someone without a post restriction. I'm moving him to my list of candidtaes.
  
• Amished: In iso, his play still seems kinda fishy. Not as clearly scum as I initially stated, but maybe he's just good at talking himself out of a tight spot. I'd lend my vote to an Ami lynch, but only if the supporters are a little more vocal about their reasoning than the threesome who jumped on him behind me earlier.
  
• Mafuyu: Flying under the radar. Has a lot of "townie sounding" theory stances but almost no opinions about people's alignments. She excuses her later RV by citing her relative inactivity but that doesn't make sense because her first vote was content-based. Stifled discussion. That comment she made about how I shouldn't dismiss a point against Exilon struck me as extremely scummy because she's indicated no suspicion of him but doesn't want me to look away from him. Plus there are connections to my other lynch candidates. At this time, I feel she's the best play.

Meh

• BloodCovenent: I'm fluctuating on him. Maybe scum but I'm not interested in lynching him today.
  
• Exilon: Being off-meta could be telling, or maybe he was busy. Voting the mods is bad play but I've seen townies do it. I'd like some more time to solidify a read here. Not interested in lynching him at this point.
  
• DTMaster
  ZazieR
  : So... DT replaces a non-entity only to post excuses. Why not give at least some brief thoughts based on the 3-5 pages he's read? And it's not like this game is hard to read. Between NS, MS, Ythan, and myself, the posts are mostly very short. I'm not interested in lynch him
  right now
  but will be putting him back on that list if his content doesn't improve.
  
• Untrod Tripod: He's fluffy and I'm taken him off the town list but I still don't see any reason to lynch him today.

Nope

(not interested in lynching them, obv)

• Ythan
  
• Midnight's Sorrow
  
• Inflatable Pie