Supernatural mafia - Mafia team wins!!!!!

[ReaperCharlie]

@MS: Quoting it is fine.


@Kage: Why are you trying to answer questions for him? Let him answer them himself.
In case you are not aware, which you obviously aren't, that's generally considered pretty scummy behavior.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Kagelord is the very definition of "Under the Radar"

[BlazezRb]

1. Who the heck is Mistu?
2. W.T.F. was

what

for?

WOW!!

Wrong game. lol. ignore 1.

2. what was with the

Guess all you want, but someone will always prove you wrong. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

about.

Real 1. Who do you think is town and scum?

[ReaperCharlie]

1. Who the heck is Mistu?
2. W.T.F. was

what

for?

WOW!!

Wrong game. lol. ignore 1.

Um, case in point about the VI...
Not quite sure if he set me up for that on purpose, or what...

2. what was with the

Guess all you want, but someone will always prove you wrong. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

about.

It is what it is.
Read and absorb.

Real 1. Who do you think is town and scum?

Loaded question?

Real answer: Too early to tell ATP. Nobody's made any slips yet that I can see.

[KageLord]

@MS: Quoting it is fine.


@Kage: Why are you trying to answer questions for him? Let him answer them himself.
In case you are not aware, which you obviously aren't, that's generally considered pretty scummy behavior.

He indicated which post he meant, but obviously he had no intention of going back and quoting it... not sure how that's scummy of me to quote it for him. So far all of these "scum tells" I've seen are just paranoia over the slightest things.

[ReaperCharlie]

Read your signature and realize that you have much to learn, Padawan.

[/pompous jerk]

[KageLord]

Read your signature and realize that you have much to learn, Padawan.

[/pompous jerk]

Touche.

But since you've all been wrong about me so far, I figure I have some right to say that, ne?

Plus I was in the final 3 in both games I lost (the town loss was my partner's early voting mistake, but the scum loss was mine).

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Kagelord obviously gets a scum read from me based on gut and gut alone.

If I had to waste time explaining ever gut read I ever got, they would cease to be 'gut' reads and become logical conclusions. Something that pretty much takes away from the fact that they're just 'gut' reads.

The only things that have come up really, have been discussions on hydras and how they 'need' to tell us who's behind them, interested parties clamoring already for 'policy' lynching, ect ect ect. Not really anything you....well me anyways, can get much of a read on. I mean...D1 people...page 8, not much going on, ect ect ect. (and don't tell me there is or I'll hunt chu o_0) So I have to rely on my gut, and what its telling me, and his posts are screaming 'Scum here!" Is my gut right? Hardly. Don't know much yet. But I have found a far better canidate for scum, and Snow_Bunny is a he/her.

Come out! Come out where ever you are! *echo echo*....Please

[Nero Cain]

Sorrow,

I don't think meta alone is fantastic,

but I'd at least like the option to do so

... what actually bothered me and warranted my vote was that I too could not think of a reason as to why not..and difficult behavior for simple requests is something I want to avoid altogether as a whole.

Here's an all too often example of where my peeve comes in:

Someone votes player A, saying something like buddied, scumslip, agrees with others statements, or some piggybacking nonsense...Then I come in and as for facts...I usually get resistance followed by responses like its in isos, its all there, go read it your self..some more nonsense...when I finally pull enough strings they usually come to the realization that they have no clue why they are voting...sometimes an epiphany occurs and the player becomes a better player learning how to formulate a case...or I catch some piggybacking scum... Either way I hate doing it, its a waste of time and if I can avoid a precedent of being obstinate forming I will do so.

As town we generally don't have a lot at our disposal. Information is our greatest tool and we'll need as much as possible.

Resistance in this arena is scummy.

And Reaper can be Reaper now...but you'll have to be robo or copter...cause you as RC will confuse me.

Scummy behavior is still scummy. You can do two things with meta. 1.) Use it to defend somebody i.e; When this player X acts like this they've been town. 2.) To make a case on somebody i.e; when player X has done this he's been scum.

Meta helps the town just as much as mafia. To me, if we don't have meta for a certian player its no big deal.

[Robocopter87]

Wow, was just going to pressure vote you for inactivity.

[farside22]

Sam: I take it I was having another nightmare.
Dean: Yeah. Another one.
Sam: Hey, at least I got some sleep..

hunting down:

KageLord (4) molestargazer, LynchMePls, MagnaofIllusion, jmj3000
Midnight's Sorrow (1) TheLonging,
ReaperCharlie (1) KageLord,
Hydrak (3) GenericHydra, Chronopie, BlazezRb
jmj3000 (1) Robocopter87
GenericHydra (2) tubby216, Benmage
Magna (1) Untrod Tripod
Robocopter (2) animorpherv1, willows_weep,
animorpherv1 (1) ReaperCharlie
Snow_Bunny (1) Midnight's Sorrow
Benmage (1) Nero Cain

Not hunting:

Hydrak
easjo682
Snow_Bunny
skeith931
Sawyer
Starbuck

With 24 alive it will take 13 to lynch.
Deadline is July 19th, 12:00pm PST

Blaze post 166 what is this unvote you speak of?

[Robocopter87]

That quotes already been used.

[Benmage]

@MOD

These three players have failed to post, can we get some prods goin?
easjo682
Snow_Bunny
skeith931

[Benmage]

To me, if we don't have meta for a certian player its no big deal.

For me it is a big deal. I like to know who I'm dealing with, their experience level, if I've personally played with them before. Something to refer to is nice. However we are going no where in this discussion, so whatever...and your vote rocked *sarcasm*.

[ReaperCharlie]

To me, if we don't have meta for a certian player its no big deal.

For me it is a big deal. I like to know who I'm dealing with, their experience level, if I've personally played with them before. Something to refer to is nice. However we are going no where in this discussion, so whatever...and your vote rocked *sarcasm*.

Why is it such a big deal to you? Isn't that the whole point of a hydra?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Wow...

I thought people had more common sense than this

. By "I'm more interested", I meant that I am more interested in that than in finding out who GH is. Thanks for the misrep though.

Besides,

you might need some help with grammar

. The words "more interested" imply that it is more interesting than something else, but not necessarily the most interesting. If I had been saying I care more about that than scumhunting, I would have said, "I'm most interested to..."

Emphasis added. The bolding highlights the places where you’ve chosen to insult LMP, and by corralary myself. Not Pro-Town at all.

The context by which it it assumed that you are more interested in flavour discussion than scum-hunting is inferred by the fact you have done ZERO scum-hunting and plenty of flavour related posting so far.

It is still a fair point though that farside could have switched a couple important alignments while leaving some more minor characters alone, so you are right there.

This is exactly why the whole discussion revolving around roles that might or might not be Town is

at this point

worthless and not Pro-Town.

@Chrono re: 149

– Way to provide solid proof that you aren’t going to scum-hunt. 100% IIoA in what little we get.

Seems like you just made a halfway joking case about a joking comment I made, knowing it'd fall through, but then when someone else picked up the scent, you pretended you were serious the first time. Hmmmmm....

You went to all the quoting trouble multiple posts and come to no conclusion? This looks like an subtle attempt to paint LynchMe and Starbuck as scummy without outright supporting it.

Loaded question?

Real answer: Too early to tell ATP. Nobody's made any slips yet that I can see.

You had no problems identifying Town reads early on in Stardust Mafia. Why the reluctance here?

Also what do you think of Kagelord's fence-sitting regarding a Chrono policy lynch that I previously highlighted?

If I had to waste time explaining ever gut read I ever got, they would cease to be 'gut' reads and become logical conclusions. Something that pretty much takes away from the fact that they're just 'gut' reads.

1. Sharing information with Town (if you are Town) is never a waste of time.
2. Logical conclucions are always more believable and reliable than gut-reads.

@MOD These three players have failed to post, can we get some prods goin?
easjo682

If history is any less easjo is just going to show up, say nothing in her posts, and lurk further. Hopefully she will not respond and can be replaced.

[ReaperCharlie]

Seems like you just made a halfway joking case about a joking comment I made, knowing it'd fall through, but then when someone else picked up the scent, you pretended you were serious the first time. Hmmmmm....

You went to all the quoting trouble multiple posts and come to no conclusion? This looks like an subtle attempt to paint LynchMe and Starbuck as scummy without outright supporting it.

Not really. I think it was scummy of LMP to do that, but I don't think it necessarily means anything about Starbuck. She was just late on the draw, and it's LMP that pinged my scumdar with that.

Loaded question?

Real answer: Too early to tell ATP. Nobody's made any slips yet that I can see.

You had no problems identifying Town reads early on in Stardust Mafia. Why the reluctance here?

That was a Smalltown, so... yea that made it a bit easier...

Also, *whispering*

Hint: I was scum in that game.

Also what do you think of Kagelord's fence-sitting regarding a Chrono policy lynch that I previously highlighted?

I'll have to read again. I didn't notice that... and I didn't notice you calling him out on it. Where?

If history is any less easjo is just going to show up, say nothing in her posts, and lurk further. Hopefully she will not respond and can be replaced.

This.

Hey, a man can hope.

----

You seem pretty pro-town so far with your walls of text. What do you think of Starbuck and Benmage so far?

[Benmage]

To me, if we don't have meta for a certian player its no big deal.

For me it is a big deal. I like to know who I'm dealing with, their experience level, if I've personally played with them before. Something to refer to is nice. However we are going no where in this discussion, so whatever...and your vote rocked *sarcasm*.

Why is it such a big deal to you? Isn't that the whole point of a hydra?

I don't like hyrdas to begin with, but ones I've delt with in the past are usually fine with saying their mains.

[ReaperCharlie]

Well, this one's not. Drop it and continue with the game, foo! Or do you really have no place better to look?!*

* Cue someone saying: "ooh look! reaper's chainsaw defending GH! they are scum together! lynchlynchlynch!"

[Benmage]

I've been saying its going nowhere! People keep bringing it up.. We need more activity from different people. There's one guy v/la this week, 3 who have yet to post and 2 more worthy of prods come 5:30pm tonight.

[LimMePls]

Not really. I think it was scummy of LMP to do that, but I don't think it necessarily means anything about Starbuck. She was just late on the draw, and it's LMP that pinged my scumdar with that.

So I pinged your scumdar, but you were just being sarcastic? Which is it? Was I scummy or not? You claimed it was sarcasm, and I made a post saying that sarcasm and the interwebz do not mix. I didn't say that I believed your explanation. The fact that Starbuck saw what I did and commented on it only reaffirmed my read. Your attempt to twist my words as some sort of scum slip, and then backtracking when called out on it is scummy. Your attempt to paint SB and me as scum for pointing it out even doubly so.

Unhunt
Hunt: ReaperCharlie

[MagnaofIllusion]

Not really. I think it was scummy of LMP to do that, but I don't think it necessarily means anything about Starbuck. She was just late on the draw, and it's LMP that pinged my scumdar with that.

Then why didn’t you outright call LMP scummy? Using “Hmmmm” as a proxy gives you an out to say you didn’t think he was should you need to at a later day (or it did until this conversation, anyway). Leaving yourself ‘breathing room’is not Pro-Town.

I'll have to read again. I didn't notice that... and I didn't notice you calling him out on it. Where?

You will find it here.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ahem.

Seems like you (LMP) just made a halfway joking case about a joking comment I made, knowing it'd fall through, but then when someone else picked up the scent, you pretended you were serious the first time.

You went to all the quoting trouble multiple posts and come to no conclusion? This looks like an subtle attempt to paint LynchMe

and Starbuck

as scummy without outright supporting it.

I think it was scummy of LMP to do that, but

I don't think it necessarily means anything about Starbuck

. She was just late on the draw, and it's LMP that pinged my scumdar with that.

Your attempt to paint

SB and me

as scum for pointing it out even doubly so.

First of all, I said nothing about

SB

being scummy for pointing it out. You (and Magna) seem to be latching onto that I said you

and SB

were scummy together, which I didn't. In fact, I never even mentioned her by name.


Secondly, your latching onto Magna's questioning and bringing it to the point of hunting me is very interesting. You even parroted almost word-for-word the exact same phrase as him.

This looks like an subtle attempt to paint LynchMe and Starbuck as scummy

Your attempt to paint SB and me as scum

Noted.

Not really. I think it was scummy of LMP to do that, but I don't think it necessarily means anything about Starbuck. She was just late on the draw, and it's LMP that pinged my scumdar with that.

Then why didn’t you outright call LMP scummy? Using “Hmmmm” as a proxy gives you an out to say you didn’t think he was should you need to at a later day (or it did until this conversation, anyway). Leaving yourself ‘breathing room’is not Pro-Town.

Ok, I can see that. Not really on purpose, and you're reading too much into it, but if you think non-committal things like that are of importance, let me ask you this:

What do you think of LMP leaving

himself

'breathing room' by not following up his suspicion of my joke (because, after all, sarcasm and the internet aren't friends, or something), and then once Starbuck thought the same thing about my comment, LMP pretended that it's valid again all of a sudden? Is that not the very definition of what you just described?

You had no problems identifying Town reads early on in Stardust Mafia. Why the reluctance here?

Speaking of which, you seem pretty confident... who are YOUR town reads?

[ReaperCharlie]

I'll have to read again. I didn't notice that... and I didn't notice you calling him out on it. Where?

You will find it here.

Oh yeah now that you show me, I remember seeing it.

To answer you: Yeah, I think it's interesting, but not necessarily a huge tell.

[Robocopter87]

ooh look! reapers chainsaw defending GH! they must be scum together! lynchlynchlynch!!!

To tell yout the truth the whole mumbo jumbo about the hydra thing is stupid. It shouldn't be about whos behind the wheel but how they are driving the car.