Mini 976: Purgatory Mafia Game Over

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vote: hp[leaves]

I remember losing to you in a game a while ago and I'm still angry. Plus, I think I've only seen you be scum, so no use breaking a pattern.

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WAI IZ NO1 PSTNG????!!!???

not every game goes at the same rate, calm thyself.

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I don't really see the benefit since we all self selected our own characters; but that being said, I would not be opposed to a name claim as I don't really see the harm either, since we self selected our own names.

Unless there's some sort of inside information that certain names are more likely to be scum, I agree with xvart. We chose our own names, I doubt there's any rhyme or reason.

Of course, I will probably be highly suspicious of someone who claims "Hannibal Lector" as their name.

Me too, especially as it's spelled "Hannibal Lecter"

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See, I think it might help in the future when a mafia claims doctor or something, but back in day one said their name was Road Runner or something.

No. Doesn't work at all. First off, the mod said he may have to make this a bastard mod game. Secondly, you can twist almost any character to any role(see post just below yours), so you can't lynch someone based on whether or not the role fits the character.

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Name-claiming seems useless without more information to me. I doubt we would be able glean any reliable role information from a bunch of names the players chose themselves.

This is not about gaining information. This is about preventing fakeclaims. When scum have to claim D1, they have very little information and their claims may easily backfire. I still want the nameclaim.

HOW DOES THIS HELP, hp? Who has any reason to fakeclaim their name?

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@PranaDevil:

Since the RVS seems to have ended, I was expecting at least 1 unvote.

this. just. I. what?

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How do you get that from your previous posts? I'm defending MPR, so I'm scum, he's more likely to be scum.

Oh dear. If you're town, you should not answer like this. Ever. Because town knows they're not scum, so shouldn't have to state clauses of what them being scum would mean.

vote: MMM

Secondly, @MMM: Please do not respond to someone's post inside a quote. It makes it really hard to read the post.

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Fucking A, simulpost you have to be kidding me.

>.< I checked

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Also, if he does flip town everyone better please go read mafia 958 and don't repeat the mistakes of that town. (Oddly, both Shotty and Has were in that game...)

I agree with this. That game was incredibly awful, let's not repeat that. (and it's not that odd, we know each other IRL, so we're going to join games together).

Although I'm going to be honest, I'm not disappointed he's lynched. I voted him, which meant I was ok with him lynched, just always sucks when it's a simul.

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How does the mod determine who the first person to visit you at night is?

^this

And you only shoot one person a night
that, honestly, doesn't make sense flavorfully OR mechanically.

I am not a fan of the early claim though, honestly. I feel like it's completely undermined any usefulness of the role. Why not give it one night?

bleh, feels like a town claim though, still gives me an uneasy feeling.

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I'm scared that the Marquess of Queensberry (look it up if you want) will find me in Purgatory, so I will shoot the first person that visits me each night.

You're scared someone will find you, but you only shoot one person a night. It doesn't make sense to me.

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bleh, feels like a town claim though, still gives me an uneasy feeling.

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The biggest problem I have is that your vote was on someone you "think" said something. If something is scummy enough to warrant a vote, wouldn't you want to make sure that that quote is accurately attributed to the person in question?

It was either him, or he bolded something that someone else said and never responded to it, so I was 97% sure it was him.

It's almost never done and Batt didn't use it in his previous game. Enough for me, to drop the possibility to 3% (Random low number)
I quoted this post as it shows the part I like a lot. Seriously, nothing about the bolded?

Forgot to address the bolded part. I had done more than him and brought no one to L-1 without commenting on them before.

At page 5, I don't expect him to post much content; but I definitely don't expect him to put a L-1 vote.

You had "done more than him?" Please elaborate. I didn't see you do anything. Saying page 5 is too early for L-1 is stupid. If someone deserves to be lynched, they deserve to be lynched.

If MMM wasn't going to be replaced, I'd vote him again. Forced unvotes are awful. I don't understand the reason for them. The only reason I could see for them is to allow for fakevoting, which is anti-mafia, but that's for MD, right now I'm just complaining because I hate that rule.

hp was reaching based on out-of-game reasons for the entire page. I can't even go into how awful that is because A) others already have, and B) it's really, really stupid.

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It was either him, or he bolded something that someone else said and never responded to it, so I was 97% sure it was him.

It still seems suspicious that you would vote based on something said that you weren't 100% certain he said.

Also, since your vote did not count, why did you not revote MMM? You essentially still have your random vote placed?

xvart.

A) he was being replaced
B) hp got much scummier, so I didn't feel that moving my vote would have done anything. It's not a random vote, I never vote randomly. Why shouldn't I keep the vote on if I feel it's the best place for it.

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He posted 5 times, and he seems more like idiot town to me.

why's that?

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Getting drunk

why are you doing this instead of playing the game?

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Usually, when it is very close to deadline and the most suspicious player claims something confirmable, town lynches ani. True story.

I asked Soc because he said he was bored and needed something to comment on.

Unfortunately, I don't see a Shotty lynch happening in two days =( So here's something to motivate GT to post.

Unvote, Vote GroupThink

I really dislike votes for "motivation" when the voter says it's "for motivation". It feels like scum trying to look like town, and doesn't actually do any motivating.

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leaves finally throws the MMM slot under the bus, let's wrap this day up.

Also, if leaves is making a weak attack (which a buss generally is); then leaves is more likely to be scum. Vote him instead of MMM/GT for today.

THANK YOU for joining this game, because these kind of posts are exactly what's needed.

To be honest, I don't really see much of a change in things, leaves is still scummy as ever, if more so because of the statement of anyone not voting GroupThink is scum.

I could do with a quick read back through though as I only quickly caught up earlier, not that I feel it will change my views on Leaves any.

Do you still think Ani is more scummy than HP? If not, then why are you voting Ani over HP?

Shit, didn't realize the deadline had been moved back.

Unvote

I still like the HP wagon more than GT, and now that it has some more support with Amished here.

Vote: hp[leaves]

xvart.

I really have an issue with this. Why do you prefer it? Do you think that HP is scummier or do you just think the wagon is more likely to lead to a lynch?

Ok, since my page by page analysis disappeared (I left it under a tab, then closed the window, because I have it set to reset the tabs I had open before, and when I reopened the window it had logged me out of MS and all of it was gone ) I'm just gonna post things I have noticed.

Ani

AtE's, doesn't read thread, doesn't read thread, responds to random bandwagon badly

Soc and Flashstorm and Xvart and Prana

Very protown in my opinion

MMM, MPR, HPleaves

Definitely not shining images of protown
Hate the noob card "what am I supposed to do if no one tells me how to act town" from MPR

Softclaims galore from MMM (58), Soc (60), Ani (96)

@Fermata
In post 53, you're elaborating on the bit of modquoting there. The way I read it, you're saying that you can understand why Ani confirmed wrong the first time due to Battou asking for a specific way to confirm. Is this correct?

Also, in the second bit of that same post, you stated that you considered mentioning the rolename claiming plan in the same post where you commented on Soc's claiming thingy. You choose not to do it. What was the reason behind that?

What was your reasoning for asking the bold Zazie?

Hiya CMAR. Thanks for your wonderful bit of wishy-washiness. Who do you think is scum?


Sorry for not posting more, I'm having issues getting into this game, which isn't an excuse. I need to find a better way to get into it.

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Okay, we need to lynch someone. Soon. Preferably GroupThink. He's active-lurking far too much for me to be happy with it, though I haven't been posting much myself.

he's not active-lurking, he's not posting. HUGE difference.

@HoMoo: I figured I owed you for modding my first game on site... >_>

I did, didn't I? I had forgotten. Good to see I'm still as impressed with your play now as I was then.

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What he has posted is active-lurking though. To be honest, I'm perfectly happy with an hp lynch, but we need to have a lynch by deadline, and Group's is L-2 as opposed to L-3.

if you switch wagons they'll be different?

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Well, if we had iso I could give you a bit more than this, but I'd really like to hear anything from Pittbunny, because neither of his predecessors have been shining examples of town play. I need to do a serious reread. The move has completely disoriented me and I'm still having issues figuring things out.

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Also: since I'm done waiting and this might as well come out:

If Pitt *was* a vig, then he'd be pro-town. Pro-town people don't have a need to switch around votes/hold them back. Vigs in particular tend to kill those who seem most suspicious, but after saying that Pitt was wavering between Soc and CMAR (indicating that he thought those were the most suspicious) he doesn't go after CMAR at all, but focuses on SttB.

dang it Amished, you got to this too fast for me to say it.

I'd like the Doctor, if any exists, to start protecting Prana, because he was right. =/
I thought that I had shot Socrates, but looking back at my PMs I found that I had chosen Ani/Nacho slot Sunday. Which means, essentially, that I've screwed myself over regardless of alignment (lynch all liars + existing conditions). I am a vig. I will flip as such, and do not mind that you will lynch me. Frankly, it was an oversight that I should have doublechecked before posting on the forums, especially with a four-day gap. Obviously, I'd prefer if an alternative method was found to deduce my alignment (or at least force myself to shoot in favor of town's opinion), but I understand that a lynch is both the most rational and expedient method to find out. My given rationale for a Socrates shot was as stated above, and I restate that I almost always find CMAR scummy. The same is unfortunately true for Ani's method of play, which is likely why I resulted in shooting Ani/Nacho.

I is a fail-vig. Smite me for my insolence. =/

This doesn't mesh at all with you saying that Soc/CMAR were the two most suspicious players, especially with your vote not being on CMAR right now, or anyone, for that matter.

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@HoMoo: Sorry? You should post moar so you can get rid of this bad feeling I have of you.

I'm trying, I'm sorry. It has been a perfect storm of distractions.

Well this is now interesting isn't it?
I believe PittBunny, I believe Prana and I think MPR is scum for bandwagoning late with bad reasoning and noob scum meta.
It is true, Pitt usually finds me scummy as per being me. Truth be told, I usually find him scummy as well.
I always get a town feeling from Amished, even if he's scum. So that's that.
I

REALLY

hate the hider speculation though
I respect Pitt's vote on me, as I haven't exactly been active in this game.

Vote: MPR

What does "I respect Pitt's vote on me" even mean? It sounds like you're trying your hardest to not OMGUS vote him while leaving avenues open to think he's scum later. You do the same thing with Amished, leaving both options open so you can call him either town or scum. What do you hate about the hider speculation, who do you hate for it, do you find it scummy? These are all things that you left out of your post. This post is entirely "I am going to look like town and make 'pro-town points' to try to keep speculation off of me." So is your vote. It's a bunch of buzzwords, yet there's no reasoning behind them.

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And you're going to FoS me for pointing out that somebody other than Pitt killed Soc? Seriously? When it's blindly obvious I'm a smegging watcher?

Make up your mind. watcher or tracker? I'm having issues believing you when you can't keep your story straight.

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@HoMoo: Why haven't you voted yet today?

Did I not? I could have sworn I voted for CMAR when I replied to his awful post. I clearly remember typing it. Did it not happen?

well, apparently not, as I look back. That's strange.
VOTE: CMAR

Not just for the fact that his post was awful, but he hasn't come back to defend it either. Trying too hard to think of a good excuse, I think

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Shotty, I want you to specify what Pitt is lying about, and be specific.

Redundant phrasing is redundant.

Why does it matter? Is there any reason to point this out?

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@Shotty: So.. what other reason can you come up with that would've targeted a hider that didn't kill nm8; since her roleclaim is a lie?

Since apparently this town is so dense I have to come out and say it, I have confirmed info. Lynch her.

That was obvious. However, what's not obvious is what exactly the info is.

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Shotty, rather than attacking everyone else for not getting your exceptionally vague hints, that were meaningless, why not accept that said hints were bloody awful and you did nothing but confuse everyone with them?

^this

However, I'm trusting Shotty on this one. Claim makes sense. Is that the first time you used the ability, Shotty?

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gah, every single freaking time I try to vote lately it seems like the post disappears. Stupid internet.
The one thing I want an answer to is
@Shotty: Have you used the ability previously and if so, did you find some sort of lie?

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VOTE: Pittbunny

seems straightforward enough to me.
Was pretty much the answer I was expecting, but it was better to get it out, I think.

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EBWOP:
UNVOTE: Pittbunny
VOTE: Pittbunny

right. I have to unvote.

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EBWOP:
UNVOTE: Pittbunny
VOTE: Pittbunny

right. I have to unvote.

yeah, I wasn't voting for pittbunny. Bleh. Bad night.

Unvote

VOTE: Pittbunny

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Shotty, explain.

VOTE: Shotty

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I don't have an explanation lol

This seems incredibly out of character for you. How often do you use "lol" while posting? I wouldn't believe it's very often.

I told you exactly what I was told by the mod. I'm even more surprised then you, unless the mod is making technical differences like 'vig' vs 'vigilante' I have no idea why my ability wouldn't function properly. Anyways I doubt anyone will believe me at this point, but lets use our logic. You notice we're at 6 with no mafia deaths. That is 3:3, assuming 3 mafioso which is 80-90% standard for 12 players, if you actually get to a lynch on someone it's because they are not mafia. We clearly have another vigilante or a serial killer or this game would be over already. I don't see a day-play that allows us to lynch mafia without some sort of double-vote ability so I actually favor no-lynch. Think it over for yourselves and I'd recommend unvoting and not voting further till we make up our minds. People pushing for fast lynches today are most likely mafia.

I don't like no-lynch in this situation. I feel like a lynch needs to happen today, because the situation will just get worse if we don't take out a mafia member or an SK(assuming there is one, which seems likely at this point to me)

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That is 3:3, assuming 3 mafioso which is 80-90% standard for 12 players, if you actually get to a lynch on someone it's because they are not mafia. We clearly have another vigilante or a serial killer or this game would be over already. I don't see a day-play that allows us to lynch mafia without some sort of double-vote ability so I actually favor no-lynch. Think it over for yourselves and I'd recommend unvoting and not voting further till we make up our minds. People pushing for fast lynches today are most likely mafia.

With the amount of powerful power roles, I'm leaning more towards 2 scum. What have we had so far? Vig (unlimitied?), tracker, doctor, lie detector, and I'm assuming Zazier is soft claiming some sort of cop? That seems like quite a bit of power for the town going against 3 scum. Of course, it was also mentioned that this might be a bastard setup so I'm not really sure. I'm guessing, though, that we are in LYLO regardless.

I......what? Wouldn't more town power equal more scum? Either that or two crazy powerful scum.

Unvote

For all intents and purposes, my vote is on xvart, but zazier, I need more than "Battousai told me xvart's guilty" with the chance that this may be lylo, not to mention that we've basically had the same thing happen yesterday and then lynched town.

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Yes, my logic may be incorrect but let me try and explain my intention. I was going more for I find it hard to believe that there is another vig/SK/etc. so I find it hard to believe that there are three scum. I'm guessing there are two scum. My intention was based along the fact that if there are only two scum I find it rather hard to believe that there is a tracker, cop, PGO, doctor, AND a lie detector in the same game against two scum members. I find it hard to believe that there would be that many people against three scum....

Why is that? I still don't understand your logic or what you're trying to say. There is too much town power for three scum? How does that make any sense? Or am I just missing what you're saying?

Also, from before.....

VOTE: xvart

I said I would in my last post after more info, and it makes sense to me.

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Vote Amished

His claim is a lie.

just like pittbunny's was, eh?
Give me one good reason why I should believe you over him, because my vote is currently, for all intents and purposes, on you

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Vote Amished

His claim is a lie.

just like pittbunny's was, eh?
Give me one good reason why I should believe you over him, because my vote is currently, for all intents and purposes, on you

Not a word about the cop who was also sure he had a guilty and didn't? I don't know how to convince you that investigative roles are being screwed with, but it's happened twice now and one is confirmed. I didn't support any lynch yesterday and the only one I'll support today is Amished. No discussion again today, only a rushed vote from him. If this guy isn't scum I'll eat my hat.

The cop with a guilty who we followed and lynched scum? Or aren't you talking about zazier?

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VOTE: Shotty

Answer the questions I asked you.

Why aren't you voting, HoMoo?

You saw my posts, right? I was waiting for answers to my questions.

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Vote Amished

His claim is a lie.

just like pittbunny's was, eh?
Give me one good reason why I should believe you over him, because my vote is currently, for all intents and purposes, on you

Not a word about the cop who was also sure he had a guilty and didn't? I don't know how to convince you that investigative roles are being screwed with, but it's happened twice now and one is confirmed. I didn't support any lynch yesterday and the only one I'll support today is Amished. No discussion again today, only a rushed vote from him. If this guy isn't scum I'll eat my hat.

The cop with a guilty who we followed and lynched scum? Or aren't you talking about zazier?

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Ythan replaces MehPlusRawr, effective immediately.

cue us hitting page 30 today.

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I am really surprised that I pulled that one out.
Thanks for modding, Battousai, the game was fun, as upicks usually are.
Sorry about any inactivity on my part, I usually have at least one little part of each game where that happens, but I tried to get back over it and stay decently active.

xvart, do we want to provide the QT? I personally can't think of any issues.

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I am SO bad a mafia.

Nobody look at me!!

(Why the hell was I killed night 1? I was wrong about everything and I randomly claimed miller halfway through the day.)

it's not about how right you are, but how non-scummy you seemed