Open 226: Big Love - Game over! Town wins!

[millar13]

and seemingly you have ignored my game strategy (sorry to Xite; but ur the only one that actually botherd to read it ) but i do have a strategy...ur failure to understand it is your downfall. Your too black and white...and need to learn that killing off "burdens" isnt good scum-hunting...its lazy town

[Robocopter87]

I understand your strategy Millar. I'm not stupid. But Millar, everyone knows your startegy now. Whats happening is the Mafia are using you to get a lynch. They know what your up to. They are just ignoring what you are doing and trying to use you as a reason to post, vote, and kill.

I'm not seeing black and white, you are now. Your gameplay tactics were working. But not anymore, its time to throw in the towel on this thing you got going on here Millar. Get Real.

[millar13]

@ Robo;

Yeah your right; i am going to wave the white flag lol. Ive approached this game wrong; probably the worst game in a long time. But as long as the town wins- my town record goes to 6-5 =]

[Robocopter87]

unvote

Theres the Millar I know.

So Millar, with you and your ruggedly expert brain, whos the real scum?

[millar13]

Fidelis and Shattered would still be my picks; and yea maybe i have played this wrong;
but if the town gives me another chance. @ least for the rest of the day;

I am going to trudge thru all 14 pages and make cases on a few people

[Robocopter87]

Very Good. I humbly await the cases.

[Wacka Alpaca]

And I, if it is another peice of garbage thrown together in a tiny fit, it will be the last nail in your coffin Millar.
Robo has built you up really high now, and has shown trust in you - I'm getting a little suspicious of a possible scum pair here trying to prove one is cit by being horrible, then having the other scum BW him, then talking him down. I've seen this before once, and it worked very well.

Again, Millar, I await a intellectual post next, or I have lost any hope for you.

(As much as I hate the whole basis of it (FoS i mean))

FoS: Robo

[Xite91]

Millar, I can't believe you would crack under pressure like that!
And yes, the favor was for you to not kill millar because I don't want to die, thanks for asking, whoever it was.
I was going to say that he might be the treacherous lover, but honestly with me claiming either me or him is gonna get NK'd anyways, which means both of us are. If we don't, then you can lynch millar or me tomorrow because if he didn't die then mafia is probably not going to kill one of their own.
If it means catching scum, ill gladly sacrifice myself...

But honestly my top pick for scum is you robo, you seem to be going after the easy lynch and then jump off of the wagon when he "apologizes"
(he probably will play the same way though )

[Robocopter87]

I jumped off the wagon because I know Millar is a better player and if he is smart he will show himself as such. Be suspicious of me all you want, I don't think Millar is scum.

So Xite and Millar are lovers. Well that wasn't obvious . Most people hide and only come out when the town asks for lover claim.

[chihuahua0]

Fidelis and Shattered would still be my picks; and yea maybe i have played this wrong;
but if the town gives me another chance. @ least for the rest of the day;

I am going to trudge thru all 14 pages and make cases on a few people

Finally you are helping us. But still, the evidence stands. If Xite is your lover, then who's Robocopter?

UNVOTE:

I'll withdraw my vote for now, but you're still on my list of suspects. But now we have another relationship: Xite-millar-Robocopter

[millar13]

Xite isn't my lover lol

[Shattered Viewpoint]

i cant be bothered tbh...u have an oppurtunity to out all the lovers....and therefore have a chance of killing off one scum member. but no watever

You should not be a VT. Your ploy makes no sense as presented from a vanilla standpoint.

You're forgetting one important key factor.

millar is clinically insane.

[Xite91]

I jumped off the wagon because I know Millar is a better player and if he is smart he will show himself as such. Be suspicious of me all you want, I don't think Millar is scum.

So Xite and Millar are lovers. Well that wasn't obvious . Most people hide and only come out when the town asks for lover claim.

True, but I want to go with a different tactic, one that involves a little more... fun

Xite isn't my lover lol

Why the sudden change in heart sweetie?
Remember the plan?

[Mr.Sandman]

I think both Xite and Millar are scummy for claiming lover. I don't think both of them are lover's, possibly neither. I think one of them may well be bluffing to draw out the real lovers.

[Xite91]

Uhm

[quote="Xite"] Actually, I totally follow his logic. He just doesn't relay it well, I guess.

If we outed

one

pair of lovers at a time

, wait to see if they get nk'd and if they don't we can assume one is the scum lover.
I am aware that things can go wrong with this plan, but I'm willing to try it
That being said, I'd like to out myself. I am one, but I'm going to not out my lover at the moment, they can out themself if they deem fit.

Other lovers - don't say a word until we see if this works out.

I'm willing to be put on the chopping block for a possibly dumb idea.

Uhm... yeah?
So I think I told other lovers NOT to claim right ^ there
Now are you going to read the game? Just Wondering

[Xite91]

EBWOP

Uhm

Actually, I totally follow his logic. He just doesn't relay it well, I guess.
If we outed one pair of lovers at a time, wait to see if they get nk'd and if they don't we can assume one is the scum lover.
I am aware that things can go wrong with this plan, but I'm willing to try it
That being said, I'd like to out myself. I am one, but I'm going to not out my lover at the moment, they can out themself if they deem fit.
Other lovers - don't say a word until we see if this works out. I'm willing to be put on the chopping block for a possibly dumb idea.

Uhm... yeah?
So I think I told other lovers NOT to claim right ^ there
Now are you going to read the game? Just Wondering

[Xite91]

Goddam it triple post.
First one has bolded points, second one is pretty, not trying to fix it again

[yabbaguy]

All of millar's games are pre-move.

Uhm...

Forget it. Onward.

Wait what?
I don't recall saying that

Uhm, robo? Is it really a big deal?
Yes, he prolly should have known how lovers work.
No he didn't NEED to.
For some reason this seems like a mountains out of mole-hills thing.
Is it a scumtell? Maybe. I know scum have been caught on that kind of thing before.

Which of those two stances is more likely? The fact that he's scummy for bringing the question up or not?

Yeah, that really answers it.
What's different between me and you?
As far as I know atm we're all town looking to lynch scum.
Unless you're different, otherwise we're both in the same situation and we would want day 1 to go on a while so we can get more info first.
If I explained this right then everyone should know why I'm doing this
Unvote, Vote: Robocopter

I'm lost. Simply because he has a different (albeit misguided) opinion means he's scum?

I used to overvalue this tell myself, but just because people have (sometimes radically) different approaches doesn't mean they're of different alignments.

@Sanxion-276:

I would like to think it's just Millar, but he's just so anti-town, there might be good chance he is scum.

Sounds like a vote from a fencesitting vantage point. You'd

like to think

it's millar, and there's a

pretty good

chance he's scum, but there's still that inkling doubt that prevents you from saying he's

as-sure-as-can-be

scum.

What's the dillyo?

@chihuahua-278:

[millar's]

a total noob. His fate in this game is sealed.

What... in blazes... are you saying?

@Fidelis-281: ...oh, everyone beat me to the "why aren't you voting dammit" question.

@all: Xite already outed himself as Lover ages ago, by the way. Is strongly buddying with millar, curiously. millar, yes, has claimed Lover, but has also claimed just about every other role in the game, too. If he keeps going down the list, I'm going to have some serious issues.

I'm just going to treat millar as having never claimed. Much simpler. I think it's permissible at this point to inquire if Xite is lovers with millar. I'm not sure though.

Thoughts on asking said question?

@Sandman-338: Poor thought. millar's claimed and backtracked and backtracked again, but Xite claimed it seriously. I think it was a poor time to do it, but I believe it.

Xite has a point, your opinion and Xite's don't get along at all. My eye's on you.

@Robo: How does town-millar behave? How did you see it in that post where you unvoted and abruptly dropped all your suspicions of him?

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I'm still spewing thoughts as they come to me. Still trying to sort out the carnage that's taking place. (Again, I thought we were going to

avoid

having borderline petty chatroom-esque conversations?)

Seriously, the input of opinion is ridiculously out of balance.

[Xite91]

1a)

Wait what?
I don't recall saying that

1b)

Uhm, robo? Is it really a big deal?
Yes, he prolly should have known how lovers work.
No he didn't NEED to.
For some reason this seems like a mountains out of mole-hills thing.
Is it a scumtell? Maybe. I know scum have been caught on that kind of thing before.

Which of those two stances is more likely? The fact that he's scummy for bringing the question up or not?

2)

Yeah, that really answers it.
What's different between me and you?
As far as I know atm we're all town looking to lynch scum.
Unless you're different, otherwise we're both in the same situation and we would want day 1 to go on a while so we can get more info first.
If I explained this right then everyone should know why I'm doing this
Unvote, Vote: Robocopter

I'm lost. Simply because he has a different (albeit misguided) opinion means he's scum?

3a)

@all: Xite already outed himself as Lover ages ago, by the way. Is strongly buddying with millar, curiously. millar, yes, has claimed Lover, but has also claimed just about every other role in the game, too. If he keeps going down the list, I'm going to have some serious issues.

I'm just going to treat millar as having never claimed. Much simpler. I think it's permissible at this point to

3b)

inquire if Xite is lovers with millar. I'm not sure though.

3c)

Thoughts on asking said question?

1)Yeah, I didn't recall saying that because I didn't.
If you read 1b. you'll see that I was saying that what ROBO was doing was a scumtell, not don.

2) Uhm, I think you need to read a few posts before every post you quote
He said if I were in his situation
I asked him how he was different in his situation than I am
(Aka, all of our situation as far as we know is that we are town hunting scum, therefore if his situation is different, he's scum trying to kill town)

3) http://www.theneweditor.com/uploads/ImpliedFacepalm.jpg

[Wacka Alpaca]

Fidelis and Shattered would still be my picks; and yea maybe i have played this wrong;
but if the town gives me another chance. @ least for the rest of the day;

I am going to trudge thru all 14 pages and make cases on a few people

And I, if it is another peice of garbage thrown together in a tiny fit, it will be the last nail in your coffin Millar.
...
Again, Millar, I await a intellectual post next, or I have lost any hope for you.

Xite isn't my lover lol

No apparent sense of game responsibility coming from Millar, his total disregard for a promised pro-town post is not impressing me.
My vote stands on him perpetually until said post comes, or someone appears to be more scummy than him.

[Mr.Sandman]

Uhm

Actually, I totally follow his logic. He just doesn't relay it well, I guess.

If we outed

one

pair of lovers at a time

, wait to see if they get nk'd and if they don't we can assume one is the scum lover.
I am aware that things can go wrong with this plan, but I'm willing to try it
That being said, I'd like to out myself. I am one, but I'm going to not out my lover at the moment, they can out themself if they deem fit.

Other lovers - don't say a word until we see if this works out.

I'm willing to be put on the chopping block for a possibly dumb idea.

Uhm... yeah?
So I think I told other lovers NOT to claim right ^ there
Now are you going to read the game? Just Wondering

Emmm, yes I am But it's a ridiculous plan which is flawed in one major way in that the scum know about the plan, therefore they know that if a pair of lovers come out, which don't include the scum lover, if they night kill at random anyone but the claimed lovers, then town merrily lynch a pair of townies and is no further forward and could do the same again the next night, leaving the town down 7 players before it even bothers to start trying to scum hunt. So, yes, it is entirely plausible either of you is scum trying to draw out a pair of lovers

[Mr.Sandman]

@Sandman-338: Poor thought. millar's claimed and backtracked and backtracked again, but Xite claimed it seriously. I think it was a poor time to do it, but I believe it.

Xite has a point, your opinion and Xite's don't get along at all. My eye's on you.

And you believe there are townie motives behind it? The plan is so flawed. Both of their plans/strategies are. I think that no more lovers should claim

[Xite91]

Emmm, yes I am But it's a ridiculous plan which is flawed in one major way in that the scum know about the plan, therefore they know that if a pair of lovers come out, which don't include the scum lover, if they night kill at random anyone but the claimed lovers, then town merrily lynch a pair of townies and is no further forward and could do the same again the next night, leaving the town down 7 players before it even bothers to start trying to scum hunt. So, yes, it is entirely plausible either of you is scum trying to draw out a pair of lovers

Unless I'm a genius and no one else knows it?
Just lynch someone else k?
If nothing comes out of it I will gladly do a lynch on millar/me tomorrow

[Xite91]

@Sandman-338: Poor thought. millar's claimed and backtracked and backtracked again, but Xite claimed it seriously. I think it was a poor time to do it, but I believe it.

Xite has a point, your opinion and Xite's don't get along at all. My eye's on you.

And you believe there are townie motives behind it? The plan is so flawed. Both of their plans/strategies are.

I think that no more lovers should claim

Also, I'm pretty sure I said that a few times

[Mr.Sandman]

Emmm, yes I am But it's a ridiculous plan which is flawed in one major way in that the scum know about the plan, therefore they know that if a pair of lovers come out, which don't include the scum lover, if they night kill at random anyone but the claimed lovers, then town merrily lynch a pair of townies and is no further forward and could do the same again the next night, leaving the town down 7 players before it even bothers to start trying to scum hunt. So, yes, it is entirely plausible either of you is scum trying to draw out a pair of lovers

Unless I'm a genius and no one else knows it?
Just lynch someone else k?
If nothing comes out of it I will gladly do a lynch on millar/me tomorrow

I'm so confused. I need to have a reread. Millar has tied me in a knot