Mini 976: Purgatory Mafia Game Over

[Amished]

Oh, CMAR: CMAR....

Anyways, confirmed and looks like I won't be working today so I'll start reading these 11 pages now

[Amished]

Ok, I'm slightly saddened (and happy for him) that Zazie is the only one that really picked up on this:

(@Zazie: I believe the reason hp didn't unvote right after (if I have my timeline right) is due to the fact that unvotes after a hammer don't count/matter. If Batt came in and shown it wasn't a hammer and then hp didn't unvote in the next post; then you're fine and dandy)

hp hates the "fake" hammer (fake because it wasn't a hammer, not because it was intentional), posts a concocted case against homoo and SttB for rather outlandish reasons; had a crappy reason to support homoo OVER SttB even while arguing with SttB though he wanted SttB alive due to a meta (rather than anything in the game); and then drops it and joins back on GroupThink with SttB.

Unvote
Vote: hp[leaves]

[Amished]

leaves finally throws the MMM slot under the bus, let's wrap this day up.

Also, if leaves is making a weak attack (which a buss generally is); then leaves is more likely to be scum. Vote him instead of MMM/GT for today.

[Amished]

Ok, so what are your thoughts on any recent developments?

[Amished]

I don't know what to make of MMM. I do know that leaves is scummy and worth a vote 2 days from deadline. Also, last time I made comments about other players being scummy/not scummy after placing a vote I got quicklynched so I got out of that habit.

The MMM/Group slot isn't a shining beacon of pro-town (like CMAR said). However, it does seem like a valid place for scum to be able to justify their votes and the fact that it really was the only main wagon of the day makes me lean like they're town just from other people's interactions with them.

[Amished]

Agree to calling hp a counterwagon; what interactions with Ani are you specifically referring to? I only read the game once and still have my quick impressions with it; so going back to look as what you're talking about would help.

[Amished]

Also, I'll be around for most of the night (I believe) so if you want more information from me you should have plenty of time to get it if you're available.

[Amished]

Ok, found it (your 4th vote on MMM occurs at the top of page 4).

I'm not sure what you're arguing for or against here; that MMM is likely scum because he was attacking a bad comment by Ani? How is MMM hopping off Ani onto you make him.. scum?

[Amished]

Ahh. I guess I disregarded it because of the lack of basis. You saw, just as well as I did, that it was a fair amount of RVS votes there and continuing to push it would seem to draw unnecessary scrutiny to the wagoners.

Going back, I do see hp making excuses for other people (ani in 92) which I would relate again to scum having inside knowledge. My bad gut vibes of prana have returned after seeing early game play but it's a tertiary (at best) lead atm for me.

Also, I lied about having some time tonight, the GF is coming over, but I'll be able to make a fully detailed post later tonight as well after she heads home.

[Amished]

@shotty: Yeah, I know. Last time I was town, you were Alucard I believe... Sorry, blame the mods

@Zazie: Yeah, I wasn't exactly sure, but I trust you not to lie (since if you did it'd be pretty obvious and you'd get called out for it as scum anyways). So I was just making sure you were correct in what you accused hp of for my own benefit/laziness. Thanks for the clarification.

@HoMoo: I figured I owed you for modding my first game on site... >_>

@xvart: how do you forget about the "hammer"? That's the major event of the game so far..

@MPR: Why is GT scummier than leaves? Just because of the "active lurking"?

[Amished]

@homoo: it helps when I'm pro-town >_> Not liking MPR's unwillingness to switch while still calling them both scummy.

[Amished]

NM8 YOU FREAKING STALKER! >_>

[Amished]

@Xvart
You've stated that HP is the scummiest even after he has improved. You've also stated that MMM was getting scummier since your bandwagoning vote. I'd like to know why HP is higher than MMM in terms of scummyness.

Also, about Animorph. How did you learn that he's acting the same here as in other games (Though scummier) and when?


I'm also interested why Prana and Amished pointed something out against MPR, while I'm doing the same things too.

What are you doing that you feel is the same as MPR?

[Amished]

VOTE: xvart

HoMoo: Who is your top suspect and why?

[Amished]

It's only 13 pages...

[Amished]

We do have ISO, organize posts by author and then find the person you need. It organizes it by player alphabetically and then puts each players posts in order. Pitt vote I get, why xvart Amished?

Because I think xvart is scum? Try scumhunting yourself maybe.

[Amished]

WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU SHOOT SOC?

UNVOTE: xvart
VOTE: Pittbunny

[Amished]

Hey cool, I found scum with my first post. I didn't even have to lie to do it.
Fake exclamations of shock and disgust aren't indicative of town.

lol bullshit. Soc was my strongest town read and anybody *claiming* to kill him isn't doing it from a pro-town perspective.

[Amished]

Of course I do. And it seems like Prana has evidence to back up my thoughts.

[Amished]

Waiting for somebody else to notice what I noticed about Pitt....

[Amished]

Oh, don't you worry your pretty little avatar, Pitt. I have a valid point; believe you me. But, I also know that cases are stronger when people find them themselves and agree with it. I just want people to know that there's something very very off about you and that it should be relatively easy to spot.

Also, why would Prana have a reason to lie? A vig for a scum is a good trade if he wants to lie about it.

Zazie, shotty and HoMoo *should* see it on their first read through, but don't worry, I'll explain it soon enough.

[Amished]

We're not talking about fortune telling, we're talking about mafia.

On a related note: if Prana-town has a concrete point of evidence that shows that you didn't kill Socrates; then it's worth it, as a 1:1 is in town's favor. Then we don't waste time in a short deadline game; but I'm willing to make sure with everybody that they feel it's for the best; and to give Prana a chance to think it over.

[Amished]

Indeed. Continue your 2nd readthrough then

[Amished]

Sorry, not watched, tracked. I get those two mixed up.

But yeah, I can track a player and see where they go at night. Pittbunny went to Nachomamma8, although I was told she walked around in circles for a bit first, then looked at me before walking in the opposite direction. I have no idea what the walking stuff signifies though.

The walking kinda signals to me that nm8 *did* hide and Pitt couldn't find him. Gogo flavor guessing!

[Amished]

Also: since I'm done waiting and this might as well come out:

If Pitt *was* a vig, then he'd be pro-town. Pro-town people don't have a need to switch around votes/hold them back. Vigs in particular tend to kill those who seem most suspicious, but after saying that Pitt was wavering between Soc and CMAR (indicating that he thought those were the most suspicious) he doesn't go after CMAR at all, but focuses on SttB.

[Amished]

You're right, it doesn't add to your argument *now*; but if you are a vig (and I will internet-punch you if you are) it would've helped early.

Also, why the HELL would you claim right off the bat when there was no real stated hate of you? (double internet-punch if you're town).

@HoMoo: Sorry? You should post moar so you can get rid of this bad feeling I have of you.

[Amished]

I don't think you would've had to claim at all.

Ugh, I'm really getting pro-town vibes from Pitt now... jesus I don't know what to do.

Unvote
Vote: CMAR

Yeah, it was that bad.

[Amished]

@Pitt: Why did you go after SttB when you first replaced in and not CMAR? Also, why didn't you vote me when I was "caught scum"?

[Amished]

All I got from the last page was: CMAR is scum, Shotty is scum, Zazie really needs to take a step back and think about the whole situation again. xvart still might be scum.

[Amished]

HoMoo might be the last one too.

[Amished]

@HoMoo: Why haven't you voted yet today?

@Everyone else: I will only support a vote for SttB, CMAR or HoMoo today. If you're voting for anybody else you're tunneled and need to reevaluate. If you're not voting for anybody at all, get on it already!

[Amished]

@Shotty: So.. what other reason can you come up with that would've targeted a hider that didn't kill nm8; since her roleclaim is a lie?

[Amished]

Well now that you're outed, just claim. Beating around the bush doesn't help anything.

[Amished]

The whole point of that post is to AVOID lynching an accidental hammer-er on the next day. I don't see your point, ask hasdgfas about the game we kept lynching people who accidentally hammered and what happened.

That's exactly my point. You are ready to instalynch the person who hammers even after your experience you mention where you kept lynching accidental hammerers?

Also, why are you warning people not to hammer when you have confirmed info about Pittbunny's role that indicate that we need to lynch Pittbunny?

I'm almost wondering if you are a lyncher with Pittbunny as your target. Tell us what information you have about Pittbunny.

xvart.

This is a GREAT point. What possible extra information could you have gained from somebody that you know isn't telling the truth? You had a chance to hammer here but didn't. This is not the action of somebody that has damning evidence against a player.

[Amished]

Did it ever occur to you my power might be a day power? God, you all make so many fucking dumb assumptions.

xvart is either misrepresenting or confused about my point and I'm sick of explaining it to him, so fuck that. You're also a moron, if I was a lyncher I would've just hammered her and won right there. Honestly, calling me a lyncher is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Prana, you tracked Pitt to Nacho why does that make you SO sure that she killed him? You have no way to know that, all you've done all day is defend Pitt, it's getting really tired. I haven't backtracked or changed my views all fucking day, you make no sense. Honestly, Prana is a scumbuddy in my eyes. The cheesy distancing at the beginning of the day and then the constant defense since then is pretty telling.

At any rate at the bottom of page 14 Pittbunny used this sentence in her post.

I am a vig.

That sentence is a lie. It should be pretty straight-forward to conclude at this point Pitt is a lying scum-bag. My role name is Joe Diamond, Lie Detector. I'm a character from Arkham Horror, it's a H.P. Lovecraft board game that I play frequently.

1) Unscrew your head from your ass
2) Day actions (let alone day "lie detector") are not common so stop being an ass about it.

UNVOTE: CMAR
VOTE: Pittbunny

[Amished]

UNVOTE: Pittbunny

Only til SttB answers HoMoo's question.

[Amished]

There's still something that's not adding up that I can't put my finger on.. Chalking it up to SttB's laziness. There's still something wrong with HoMoo, too.

VOTE: Pittbunny

[Amished]

I really don't think that there's a single thing that would prevent me from voting for Shotty today.

[Amished]

Holy shit I think I figured out one thing that happened. With a vig dead; there wouldn't be 3 killing factions. One of those two must've targeted me and gotten them killed on my PGO ability.

Ok, now that I'm confirmed through other means, wagon analysis coming up to look for Shotty's partners.

[Amished]

Initial note:
MMM -> GroupThink -> Pittbunny
flashstorm -> CMAR
animorph -> Nacho
restfermata -> Amished
prana
socrates
hp[leaves]
are all going to be color coded green.

Vote Count:

animorpherv1

-4-

PranaDevil

, Shotty to the Body,

Mysterious Mystery Man

, ZazieR

Mysterious Mystery Man

-4-

hp [leaves]

, MehPlusRawr,

Socrates

, xvart

Mysterious Mystery Man -5- hp [leaves]

, MehPlusRawr, xvart,

Socrates

, ZazieR

animorpherv1

-3-

PranaDevil

, Shotty to the Body,

flashstorm

Mysterious Mystery Man -6- hp [leaves]

, MehPlusRawr, xvart,

Socrates

, ZazieR, Shotty to the Body

animorpherv1 -2- PranaDevil, flashstorm

Mysterious Mystery Man

-4- MehPlusRawr,

Socrates

, ZazieR, Shotty to the Body

hp [leaves]

-3- hasdgfas,

PranaDevil

, xvart

Group Think

-4- MehPlusRawr,

Socrates

, ZazieR, Shotty to the Body

hp [leaves]

-3- hasdgfas,

PranaDevil

, xvart

Group Think

-5- MehPlusRawr,

Socrates

, ZazieR, Shotty to the Body,

hp [leaves]

hp [leaves]

-3- hasdgfas,

PranaDevil

, xvart

(Add xvart to hp for next votecount)

hp [leaves]

-6- hasdgfas,

PranaDevil, Amished

, xvart, Shotty to the Body, MehPlusRawr

Group Think -3- Socrates

, ZazieR,

hp [leaves]

(Add Soc to hp for lynch)

Next day:

Pittbunny

-4- ZazieR,

Amished, PranaDevil

, MehPlusRawr

CryMeARiver -3- Pittbunny, Amished, PranaDevil

Pittbunny

-2- MehPlusRawr, Shotty to the Body

Pittbunny

-4- MehPlusRawr, Shotty to the Body,

Amished, PranaDevil

CryMeARiver -2- Pittbunny

, hasdgfas

Vote Count:

Pittbunny

-5- MehPlusRawr, Shotty to the Body,

PranaDevil,

hasdgfas,

Amished

After all of this (and how I've been reading the game): Along with Shotty, I'd still bank on HoMoo being the cautious scum, and due solely to the VC's, MehPlusRawr.

Zazie read strong pro-town to me throughout the game. xvart was the other question mark for me, but he's not on enough big wagons to make me think he's scum.

VOTE: Shotty to the Body

Just in case scum can get to a no-lynch and force end-game.

[Amished]

*knock knock* Come vote for Shotty, quick!

[Amished]

I don't have an explanation lol, I told you exactly what I was told by the mod. I'm even more surprised then you, unless the mod is making technical differences like 'vig' vs 'vigilante' I have no idea why my ability wouldn't function properly. Anyways I doubt anyone will believe me at this point, but lets use our logic. You notice we're at 6 with no mafia deaths. That is 3:3, assuming 3 mafioso which is 80-90% standard for 12 players, if you actually get to a lynch on someone it's because they are not mafia. We clearly have another vigilante or a serial killer or this game would be over already. I don't see a day-play that allows us to lynch mafia without some sort of double-vote ability so I actually favor no-lynch. Think it over for yourselves and I'd recommend unvoting and not voting further till we make up our minds. People pushing for fast lynches today are most likely mafia.

Overreaching. If the mod did something like that; obviously they're full of it and the game would be lost anyways.

No way you can be telling the truth.

(Also note the lack of deadline rules, so possibly first to 3 (if 3:3) would make the lynch at deadline)

[Amished]

You said that Pitt was lying about being a vig.

Pitt wasn't lying about being a vig.

Therefore, you're lying.

My only "rabid speculation" is that Battousai isn't illiterate.

[Amished]

xvart: You're scum. Vig has been outed and then being believed. You don't like vigs; therefore you try to get vig lynched. Easy thought process.

[Amished]

Vigs can kill you too bud. You turn a NK into a lynch the next day.

[Amished]

lol, you're obv-scum, pitt would've shot you or HoMoo. It's not a maybe at that point.

[Amished]

Either way, you're still looking at this from the wrong perspective (which I don't know why I'm arguing with you but whatever).

Town-SttB would not lie about Pitt "not being a vig".
Battousai isn't an idiot.
Therefore, since you lied, you're scum.

Your motivations don't really matter; it's a matter of "town sttb would never do something like that".

@MPR: Only insofar as we haven't lynched him yet.

[Amished]

UNVOTE
VOTE: xvart

Works for me. Either way we're good and we need a scum-lynch.

[Amished]

Zazie essentially has a cop investigation on xvart AFAICT.

Do you really think that there's a third active fucking killing role in the game? If you do, then you're an idiot. If you don't; then my PGO ability is confirmed as one of them had to have targeted me last night.

I'm guessing with this many town PR's, Batt expected me to take out a bunch of them depending on my slot's play. Either track, doc, cop?, vig, whatever.

If I'm not a PGO, what possible explanation do you have for the other kill last night?

Think about it and come back to me.

[Amished]

MPR, vote xvart now. Christ almighty man.

[Amished]

Ok, so shotty to the body needs to die is all that I know.

VOTE: Shotty to the Body

That lying thing is too much of a stretch to believe that he's town.

[Amished]

Ok, so what happened with the 2nd kill 2 nights ago? Is there another killing faction or am I a PGO and got targeted just like RestFermata claimed?

Also, if my claim was a lie, why didn't you try to test that out however long ago instead of right now? If you really could do that at any time, getting a scum lynch on D2 would've been perfect.

[Amished]

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Why isn't Shotty lynched?
Why aren't you voting, HoMoo?
Where is our replacement for MPR?

[Amished]

Eh, lurking scum.

We still need a replacement to lynch him =\

[Amished]

Bullshit I'm bulletproof, I'm a fucking PGO.

Besides, if you say my claim is a lie (which it isn't); how would you know I'm bulletproof? You wouldn't know if you didn't have a shooting ability. You're so full of shit, just self-hammer and be done with it.

You still don't have an explanation for where the 2nd kill came from Night 2; a PGO is the only explanation otherwise it would've been counterclaimed.

[Amished]

So.. you're saying I'm a bulletproof SK or something? lol

Where did my kill go otherwise then? N1 was either hider with Soc (scum-kill) or Pitt-vig hit NM8 and nacho didn't hide. No unaccounted for kills there. N3 was just one kill, which was an obvious scum kill; no unaccounted for kills there. Stop flailing and self-hammer already.

[Amished]

Perfect, this way SttB will be lynched, with or without MPR/replacement.

[Amished]

Also, somebody could've counterclaimed PGO which would be a viable strategy.

Besides, now that I know you're scum because you called my role-claim a lie (and it isn't); I really shouldn't have to bother, but your "logic" is so full of holes, you really should just give up. You have no chance. My PGO ability did what Batt wanted it to do (kill off a town pr); so you really have no excuses at this point.

[Amished]

Ythan replaces MehPlusRawr, effective immediately.

cue us hitting page 30 today.

Maybe he'll just hammer and win. Best replacement scummie nom from me >_>

[Amished]

Shotty is a claimed "lie detector".

Unfortunately for shotty-scum; the vig that was "lying" was telling the truth; and the PGO (me) that's "lying" is also telling the truth.

[Amished]

Yeah, I thought HoMoo was scum; but SttB's scumminess came into play too late to get them all lynched in a timely manner.

SttB; you really almost should've claimed SK...

What were the night actions?

[Amished]

Awww, if Meh wouldn't have jailkept Shotty, town might've had a chance? actually nope; 1:1 mafia/jailkeeper

[Amished]

Glad all my reads were right after getting into it (sorry hp; you're always scummy to me )

[Amished]

Hey, at least scum was lynched! No-lynch would've been pretty awesome though if SttB claimed SK...

[Amished]

I wasn't very happy with Rest claiming either... I think if SttB hadn't fake-claimed a lie detector (why did he do that?) and tried to go after a same-kill (since he was compulsive) he could've blended in and probably turned my attention away from him to HoMoo. Though I do feel better about lynching 3rd party since they're supposedly harder to find (but not this game..)

[Amished]

lol pretty much Pitt; though if it wasn't for SttB; I don't think we would've lynched you that day... Momentum was really shifting to you-town.

[Amished]

Ythan, nothing you did would've affected the outcome. There were enough factors early on that made the game turn out the way it did.

[Amished]

Order of operations:

pgo (pgo can't be roleblocked)
jailkeeper/roleblocker
hider
body guard/doc
vig/sk/mafia nk/poisoner
cop/tracker

N1
CryMeARiver protects Amished (successful)

Uhh, shouldn't CMAR have died?