Mini 985:Madness at Night: Game over

[AlmasterGM]

I got no result. I'm guessing that's a roleblock to the face.

This game just got sooooooooo much more confusing.

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

Me and AlmasterGM are town. Hiphop is very likely town as well, due to his play and contributation to the game. nopointinactingup is likely town as well. That means the remaining scum are in {crypto, SpyreX, and Wickedestjr}. crypto's play is considerably towny and I'm null on Wickedestjr.

So by process of elmination, I think the last scum is SpyreX. But not just by PoE.

The main reason for this is his obvious connection between him and charter. Since charter flips scum, the evidence suggesting that SpyreX is scum as well is pretty damning. Up until the very end, he exhibited a town read on charter, showing no willingness to think otherwise. This goes as far as to ignoring the possibilities of crucial evidence that point to charter being scum such as charter not wanting to lynch Sando and the Day 1 lynch flavor, which favor my claim over charter's. He said numerous times that he believed charter's claim over mine.

So with that said,

Vote: SpyreX

[crypto]

I also didn't want to lynch charter or Sando (although I admit I warmed up a little to Sando toward the end of day one). I also was inclined to believe charter's claim, possibly at the expense of believing yours. What's the difference between me and Spy?

[SpyreX]

The difference is, of course, that I have a vote on me but at this juncture it'll come out in the wash.

With that crosskill the chances are real high that SSBF and AGM are town with AGM being insane to SSBF's sane.

Its a done game, just a matter of sweeping it up.

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

You might want to look at this quote from ISO: 49 by SpyreX:

SIR YES SIR

Unvote, Vote: Sando

I'm on record, again, that there is a scum between charter and SSBF.

I'm also on record that today has been more retarded than most.

I'm additionally on record that if this is a town flip llama dies soon.

And if that is a scum flip podium dies.

Sando's lynch went through Day 1 and he flipped scum. Night 1, podium123456 died. How did SpyreX successfully predict that podium123456 would die soon since Sando flipped scum? This makes me wonder if he had some sort of information about podium123456's alignment before he flipped.

I also didn't want to lynch charter or Sando (although I admit I warmed up a little to Sando toward the end of day one). I also was inclined to believe charter's claim, possibly at the expense of believing yours. What's the difference between me and Spy?

1. Reading your ISO, the interaction between you and charter is slightly townie from my perspective. SpyreX's interaction with charter is scummy.

2. You merely had a town read on charter. SpyreX went on and on and on about why we should believe charter's claim instead of mine on Day 1. He also expressed that he didn't want charter lynched a few times, even thought the lynch flavor Day 1 favored my claim instead of charter's.

3. SpyreX put absolutely no pressure on charter. He didn't question him on anything that could be taken as a scum action (charter not wanting to lynch Sando/Day 1 lynch flavor that didn't suit his claim) or brought up anything against charter. He made disagreements with everyone else in at least some degree. Sure you weren't supportive of his lynch, but you didn't say "OMG charter is town!" with every post that referred to him.

[SpyreX]

If I have to explain how those words up there don't mean what you're trying to make them mean all over again I'll kill someone.

Like I said, sweep it up. WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO ONE OF AGM AND SSBF BEING THE SCUM LYNCH SSBF THANKS IN ADVANCE

[hiphop]

Three scum? arg.....

That means the remaining scum are in {crypto, SpyreX, and Wickedestjr}.

QFT

vote Wicked

Told you charter was scum.

I am actually lost right now. I thought with llama's flip pretty much sealed the deal that charter was town, because then a gunsmith could be in this game. Truth be told, I was only attacking him, because of the setup.

I am even sceptic about nopo's claim now. I don't get a town read from him, but his claim is keeping me from voting him. Besides I have to trust someone besides Almaster. Oh, well. Let's lynch Wicked.

(By the way, it was I who told the mod that llama wasn't lynched. Also I was thinking of voting for him, though unsure if i wanted to, after I read Spyrex's case.)

SPYREX AND CRYPTO VOTE WITH ME

[SpyreX]

Wicked is a non-entity and I'm fine with that before the broom goes the other way.

I still can't wrap my head around BOTH of them being town. I was positive llama was going to be a scum flip.

I can't express strongly enough that when the inevitable happens and SSBF/AGM/x are in lylo SSBF goes.

Unvote, Vote: Wicked

[nopointinactingup]

Wait something's fishy. Since Charter's scum, I thought we have no roleblocker? So why does AGM get No Result?

[hiphop]

I got no result. I'm guessing that's a roleblock to the face.

This game just got sooooooooo much more confusing.

I have a problem with this. Not that it is anything you did.

See, it is like this-Charter said he got roleblocked and he was scum. Now you say you got RB. So what happened night 2? Why wasn't SSBF targeted? I also don't like how SSBF is so willing to say I am town, yet the other 3 unclaim roles are scum candidates.

Then we have the counterclaim. Charter counterclaiming his buddy? What? Not only that but he just said that he got a result of guilty on Charter. Because I believe that we only have 3 scum in 11 players, then there can only be one scum left. If SSBF is scum, Almaster is town.(one scum left) However if SSBF is town, Almaster is town(got an innocent on him). No questions asked he confirmed Almaster. Scum confirming town? What?

I just don't get it. I am just going to have think about it.

I do suggest the remaining townies role claim, just so the roles are set and scum don't pull a fast one. Not that I think there are any roles left.

Let's do popcorn. I claim vanilla, or should I say plain old vanilla ice cream?(Right, Almaster ) Wicked claim next please.

Wicked and I are the only ones alive that at the end of both days were voting confirmed scum. Wicked put the hammer vote on Sando. ( scum move perhaps), but he put the 3rd vote on charter. Like i said, I am lost. Perhaps if someone can give a good argument for someone as scum, i shall follow.

nopo-Almaster can only be scum if SSBF is scum. So if you find Almaster's claim fishy, vote SSBF.

[hiphop]

ok, not Wicked.

unvote

vote Crypto

[hiphop]

ok guys, crypto or Spyrex.

Spyrex do you remember the last game we played in? I was scum, and you said I was scum, yet you never seemed to push for my lynch? Perhaps the same thing is happening here with SSBF.

Also, I am of the opinion, currently, that nopo is scum, before SSBF is. Why can't nopo be scum?

[SpyreX]

Nopo makes absolutely no sense as scum. That I'm not backing down on. AGM and nopo being town I'd ride all the way to the bank.

SSBF, if scum, is going to dig himself a hole he cant climb out of.

[SpyreX]

I could maybe swing behind a crypto lynch but, sans votes, wicked has been a non-entity.

[nopointinactingup]

No one is saying I can't be scum or you can't be scum. But how can I be scum o_0?
Ok now this is confusing me.
SSBF has mafia result on Charter --> SSBF = Sane Cop --> AGM = town = insane cop = telling the truth.
So why didn't the mafia use roleblock on the 1st round on SSBF?
We probably only have 1 scum left so let's figure out a safe bet for this.
Players left are: SSBF, AGM, Spyrex, hiphop, Wicked, Nopoint, Crypto.
Of whom, AGM and SSBF are pretty much confirmed town.
Spyrex most likely.

Vote:Spyrex

[nopointinactingup]

I just did an ISO on Spyrex. He never voted for Sando or Charter ( cept for the reasonable buss ) or considered a Sando/Charter lynch. He considered Charter town and once he laid out a list of who to lynch with 5 people including SSBF the claimed cop, but not Charter or Sando. Although he defends me throughout the game, I don't have a soft spot, I think we've just found ourselves the last scum. Iso yourself to believe

[hiphop]

Nopo makes absolutely no sense as scum.

Why not? Please explain.

And Spyrex i don't care how much wicked is a non-entity. I get a town read from him, as much as you get a town read from me.

So why didn't the mafia use roleblock on the 1st round on SSBF?
Of whom, AGM and SSBF are pretty much confirmed town.

Funny how you say these two sentences in the same paragraph.

In answer to your first question-Is it perhaps SSBF is scum?
And for your second sentence-Why is SSBF town to you?

For me personally SSBF, Almaster and Wicked can join me in cleaning the rest of you up.

And I iso'd Crypto. At one point he had charter and Sando as town. Never once attacking either.

[hiphop]

Nopo- why is crypto different that spyrex?

[nopointinactingup]

Hold on, I'll iso Crypto after lunch xD

[hiphop]

Hold on, I'll iso Crypto after lunch xD

I'll do Spyrex tomorrow morning.

Off to bed.

[nopointinactingup]

Yeah ... My bad, Crypto's play is kinda cryptic. And an iso on him proves that there is an even clearer connection between him and the confirmed scums. In addition, he didn't hammer Sando and voted Llama for almost no reason.

Unvote.Vote:Crypto

Now that's better.

[Wickedestjr]

hiphop, what happened to your very strong town read here? I seem to have been taken off of your town list.

AlmasterGM is confirmed town. I don't know if this has been said yet, but think about it: There is most likely one scum left. It is very likely that SSBF is a sane cop. If he is town, then that means he is telling the truth about AlmasterGM being town. If SSBF is scum then he's the only scum left and therefore AlmasterGM is town. A setup in which there is a sane cop, insane cop, death miller, and a mafia godfather looks very likely so I'm currently thinking AlmasterGM, SSBF, and nopoint are all town. That leaves hiphop, SpyreX, and crypto. I'm not sure which one of those three I feel like voting right now, but I also need to read the last two pages.

[Wickedestjr]

Why would podium be scum if Sando flipped scum? Podium was one of the strongest supporters of the Sando lynch.

Uhh?

I say nothing about Poduim as scum if Sando is scum.

Yes you did:

SIR YES SIR

Unvote, Vote: Sando

I'm on record, again, that there is a scum between charter and SSBF.

I'm also on record that today has been more retarded than most.

I'm additionally on record that if this is a town flip llama dies soon.

And if that is a scum flip podium dies.

In the bolded portion of this post you say that if Sando flips scum that podium dies. I assume by "dies" you mean "gets lynched the next day" otherwise the underlined portion of this post makes no sense. If Sando flipping scum makes you want to lynch podium that implies you think Sando and podium could be scumbuddies. That makes no sense to me.

[hiphop]

Ok. I would be happy with a spyrex or crypto lynch. Preferably crypto, because I believe he has been more scummy than spyrex, but either one works. Also answer my question

Why is SSBF town to you?

Wicked- you were taken off. I don't like your on again off again play. Had to iso you again to prove to me that you were town. So 691 you were put back on. Please claim.

Almaster- as a confirmed townie please use your voice more.

[hiphop]

I'm additionally on record that if this is a town flip llama dies soon.

And if that is a scum flip podium dies.

In the bolded portion of this post you say that if Sando flips scum that podium dies. I assume by "dies" you mean "gets lynched the next day" otherwise the underlined portion of this post makes no sense. If Sando flipping scum makes you want to lynch podium that implies you think Sando and podium could be scumbuddies. That makes no sense to me.

Read it again. He said if Sando flips town llama is the next to go, and if

llama flips scum

podium goes. Not hard to understand. The only reason I am answering for him is because you are heading down the wrong path for his lynch.