Newbie 960 - Game Over

[andrew94]

Why did YOU not vote Netopalis, then? Are you a 'wolf' with him?

yea of course i am thats why i totally suggested the idea to doom myself [scarcasm]
i didnt vote him COS HE GOT REPLACED [even more scarcasm] (actually i found equinox more sus yeaa)

also, you keep jumping off and on someone, and now u say u should have 'stick to your guns'

and you refer to yourself as a 'scummy townie' -paradox>? wtf

p.s. stop referring to yourself as equinox

[Equinox]

What does getting replaced have to do with anything?

And answer the question.

[Equinox]

Specifically, this:

You're accusing people because they're on bandwagons?

Is there a reason why you think bandwagoning is a scum tell?

[Equinox]

Sigh. Less emotional, more rational. Also, since the rush to get him to answer my questions before he signed off is gone with his disappearance, I'm going to address the post and his play in general. It's pissing me off.

andrew94, you think you're being obvious, but you're

NOT

. Explain what you mean. We're not psychics.

Netopalis getting replaced MEANS

NOTHING

. If Skill006 was mafia, Netopalis is mafia. If Skill006 was town, Netopalis is town. Someone said this already -- please read, for crying out loud.

Yes, I jumped on and off. Yes, I just said I should have stuck to my guns. What are you trying to say?

I'm a scummy townie. Is that a paradox? Yes. Again, what are you trying to say?

AND STOP IGNORING QUESTIONS.

[Equinox]

EBWOTP: In addition to all the isolation reading, I'm going to look at whomever decided to stop the policy lynch. (I know I was in there. Mea culpa.) Way to fail, or way to brilliance... it's one of them, but either way, that move hurt and will continue to hurt.

[Locke Lamora]

I think he's saying that he didn't vote Neto because he thought you were scummier. His logic in general seems to revolve around the premise that if there was scum who wasn't on Neto's wagon, they must be his buddy, otherwise they would have voted him already. Infuriating, I know. Are you saying you're going to look at who stopped the policy lynch because you think they're scum who wanted to keep Andrew in the game?

Neto: didn't Sotty say she thought you were buddying up to Equinox even before she asked you that question? I don't think that's quite the same as just asking you the question and then calling buddying after you respond. I thought the point was that she came out and said it looked like buddying, then she was trying to work out how genuine your read on Equinox was.

Sotty and Nik: where are you? Any new insights in the last few days? What do you think of Equinox's unvote and revote?

[andrew94]

DUDE EQUINOX I EXPLAINED A MILLION TIME

NETO WAS 3 VOTES ONE MORE VOTE AND HIS OUT got that?
then if any wolf votes him HE IS DEAD
since no1 votes him that means he is wolf, or that ppl on the wagon are wolves. get it? seriously



and i SAID SARCASM WHEN I SAID 'HE GOT REPLACED' ur deliberating ignoring the fact that im accusing u of not sticking to your guns


read the whole passage jeeez

[Locke Lamora]

Andrew, you do know that the scum (not wolves) can't win today, right? Just because Neto hasn't been hammered doesn't mean that there isn't scum still waiting to hammer him. There are all sorts of reasons why scum wouldn't just hammer him straight away in order to gain townie credit. Also, if you're going to insist on sticking with that theory (and I highly recommend you don't), it would be more useful to lynch Neto, not Equinox.

[andrew94]

if they hammer neto and assume his town the ratio is 4 to 2 then night kill psssoh 3 to 2

then.....

[Netopalis]

Alright, but I guess that I just don't see how this....

Equinox could be scum, but I'm leaning towards town. Equinox is one of those players who is good in either role, so it's difficult for me to get a good read on him.

leads to such a huge buddying charge. Seriously.

[inHimshallibe]

Day 2 Vote Count - Deadline: Extended 3 days to Saturday, July 17 (11:59 pm CST)

7 alive; 4 to lynch

Netopalis (3) - I Am Innocent, Sotty7, Equinox
Equinox (2) - Locke Lamora, andrew94
Sotty7 (1) - Netopalis
I Am Innocent (1) - Nikanor

In other news, Sotty7 has requested replacement, but have found their own player. Please welcome jasonT1981.

[Equinox]

I think he's saying that he didn't vote Neto because he thought you were scummier. His logic in general seems to revolve around the premise that if there was scum who wasn't on Neto's wagon, they must be his buddy, otherwise they would have voted him already. Infuriating, I know. Are you saying you're going to look at who stopped the policy lynch because you think they're scum who wanted to keep Andrew in the game?

Absolutely infuriating. He's playing based on his other site meta, which isn't going to work, and he's working off the assumption we know what the hell he's trying to say.

Stopping that wagon was a horrible idea, in hindsight. Almost pro-scum...

[jasonT1981]

Hey everyone, I have been trying to catch up on day1 since Sotty asked me to replace in. I am semi caught up with most of day 2 as I have been kinda following the game. Will try my best to be caught up fully by later this evening.

[jasonT1981]

Also, Sotty did ask me to replace her a day or so ago, I just didn't want to post anything until I got Mod confirmation

[I Am Innocent]

6/14

Unvote, Vote: imkingdavid

This is lynch -1 (I just double checked)

Two posts Later the unofficial vote count (which seems to be right)

With sotty's vote, here's an unofficial vote count starting from IAI's unofficial vote count. There's only one vote change, but I feel's good to have an updated vote count, even if it's unofficial, this close to deadline.

Unofficial vote count

4 imkingdavid - NDP, andrew, Memnon, Sotty7 (L-1)
3 andrew - imkingdavid, equinox, IAI (L-2)
1 memnon - TOG (L-4)

1 No vote - Skill

5 votes to lynch; Deadline in less than 11 hours

@Sotty: Just to clarify, could you please summarize your case on me? I know that all of NDP, andrew, and Memnon are voting based on Ren's actions (unless there's something they haven't said about me), so yours is the only vote actually about me. I just want to know for sure.

Thanks

ToG unvotes two days later.

imkingdavid (4) - NDP, andrew, Memnon, Sotty7
andrew (3) - imkingdavid, equinox, IAI

No vote (2) - Skill006, ToG

At this point we either have bandwagons of 1) Townie and Scum or 2)Townie and what people consider Townie Liability

Either way I think it would be beneficial to scum to push for imkingdavid at this point. Or not be committal at all.

Just piggybacking off of Equinox's thoughts on who pushed for a no policy lynch of Andrew. I think that is not as important as why this vote stalled prior to Andrew's Doc claim.

[Nikanor]

I'm sorry for forgetting about this game. Dwarf Fortress has caught me in its throes.

Equinox: I don't think you're scummy so much now, but early on (page eight) your question to statement ratio was high. Ironically, I found you scummy for not taking strong stances.

Absolutely infuriating. He's playing based on his other site meta, which isn't going to work, and he's working off the assumption we know what the hell he's trying to say.

Is him working off the assumption that we understand him more of a town behaviour or a scum one? I find that psychologically, scum want to explain themselves more. That's part of the reason for my town read on Neto.
Of course, it could also be argued that he's deliberately being vague because otherwise his lawyership would kick in and make him express himself more fully, but I'm not going to go there.
I still think that Neto is townish.

Oh, and hi jason!

[Netopalis]

Nikanor, the quote you mentioned is in regard to Andrew, not me (although my name IS Andrew...)

[Equinox]

I missed this.

Alright, but I guess that I just don't see how this....

Equinox could be scum, but I'm leaning towards town. Equinox is one of those players who is good in either role, so it's difficult for me to get a good read on him.

leads to such a huge buddying charge. Seriously.

For my case, it wasn't that comment. (It did throw me off, though. I'm sorry if you were being honest, but I happen to be one of those people who go on guard upon seeing this sort of thing, particularly when the dust hasn't settled yet.)

It was the subsequent comment where you called me "insightful." My play in this game -- the way I perceive it, at any rate -- has been anything but, and I thought you would be aware of this. My play here was significantly different from 945. I may have gotten theoretical or technical things right, but I haven't done much scum hunting.

Therefore... shields up.

[andrew94]

admitting your mistakes cancels them? i wasnt aware of that

[Equinox]

admitting your mistakes cancels them? i wasnt aware of that

Is that what I was saying?

No.

[Equinox]

I just remembered...

Today is the deadline.

Unfortunately, I won't have time to do all the epic reading I promised to do in time. I thought deadline would be later for some reason. -_-

I'm willing to vote Netopalis or Nikanor. I am willing to vote Equinox in a time crunch. I am also open to lynching andrew94 out of policy, but I highly doubt that'll happen.

I'll be out for most of the day, but you'll hear from be before deadline.

[I Am Innocent]

I am in a similar boat as Equinox today as far as availability. I will be with friends for most of the day, but I should have time close to the deadline.

My vote stays on Neto unless a no lynch seems apparent. Titiboo & Skill did nothing pro town. Neto came in and tried to make arguments, but tagging me because of things I "can" do is just not defensible. Nik jumped on as well, but never clarified why he is so sure about me other than hinting that scum are defensive. If that was a shot at me, I think it is weak because 1) I initially ignored Neto's case against me cause even he admitted it was weak and 2) I finally was defensive to prove how weak it was after Neto continued his attacks (the CAN argument). Those are both pro town in my opinion.

[Equinox]

Where is everybody?

[Nikanor]

I'm right here! My vote is still on the person I want lynched. I still think that Neto is town. Equinox, how would you feel about an IAI lynch today?

[Locke Lamora]

I'm not going to be able to get on later and I'd rather not leave this to the chance that two other people jump onto Equinox, or that someone else hammers Neto. Clearly nobody's budging from their position and I'd rather this wasn't all last-minute and we risk a no-lynch. Neto's been reaching several times in his cases and I feel like there's been more effort invested into painting actions as scummy than into actual scumhunting. I'll go ahead and get this done.

unvote; Vote: Netopalis