Supernatural mafia - Mafia team wins!!!!!

[LimMePls]

I'm simply amazed. I was actually stunned D1 because I couldn't believe how many town vibes I was getting off MS. Then WHOOSH, along came D2 and all of that goes right out the window. When RC hangs and flips scum, MS is next. There is no townie explanation for his nonstop spamming of this conversation with useless drivel.

what is wrong with my claim. dont you believe me? would my claim not perfectly explain what magna saw? i dont know if it fits flavor or not but nobody seems to be saying anything about that so i'll take it that it does fit.

Check my last post. My buddy Occam says you are full of BS.

[ReaperCharlie]

Take the sum of all your play, add it up and then put a nice big "you visited a player that ends up NK'd" cherry on top, and it equals a Reaper-Scum Sundae. Magna's play on the other hand has been anything but scummy.

In order for your suggestion to be true, Magna would not only have to target you with his track, his scum team would also have to HAPPEN to submit an NK on the person you happen to target. Presumably they wouldn't have the track results until after, so you are asking us to suppose that not only did they pick you for a track, they also happen to pick for an NK the same person you targeted that night.

I'm gonna have to go with my ol' buddy Occam on this one. The simplest explanation is that you are lying and you NK'ed Mole.

yeah, that makes sense. but it also makes sense that if i thought mole was scum, that a vig might have thought he was scum too.

so go throw that in your pipe and smoke it, occam.

[GenericHydra]

I agree that ReaperCharlie should be the hunt of the day.

Hunt: ReaperCharlie

[ReaperCharlie]

hooray for sheep votes. i give up.

ok, good night.

[Benmage]

Lets move forward and lynch the fakeclaim

what is wrong with my claim. dont you believe me? would my claim not

perfectly

explain what magna saw? i dont know if it fits flavor or not but nobody seems to be saying anything about that so i'll take it that it does fit.

I don't believe it. I don't know flavor or the show, but the name and flavor could be given by mod as fake/safeclaim.

But wanting to hunt demons endlessly and being only a one-shot vig doesn't make sense.

That last post to LMP had a lot of AtE in it. But the bottom line is there's nothing more you can do, and our best course is to lynch you. It's most logical. Blame the fate gods if you are town for being tracked to someone who wound up dead.

[LimMePls]

I never responded to this, as I had more important fish to fry. However, now that RC has tucked tail and left, I figured I'd go back and answer it.

It's really quite simple.

well we could always not hunt today and see if that forces the flips from yesterday. cause otherwise we are hunting blind and who knows what we will end up killing.

No that is a terrible idea. I'm sure there's a role that will reveal flips. I would much rather hunt someone today.

Hunt: tubby216

Your vote is almost completely void of reasoning. You vote him because he suggests we maybe shouldn't lynch with 5 dead unflipped players. Why exactly is this suggestion scummy? Did you suspect Tubby prior to this? Have you ever even mentioned Tubby this game so far? I'm thinking no. Remember this is before he makes the statement that others saw as scummy (about the scum cross-kill). Even if you disagreed with his suggestion that we shouldn't hunt, why does that mean he should be the one hunted?

Did you even READ my wall of text? Like, I mention tubby 3 - 5 times.

Yes I did. Did you even read my post you are quoting here? I asked "Did you suspect Tubby

prior to this

". Clearly that means prior to the post where you were attacking him. Mentioning him 3 - 5 times in that one post is not the same as mentioning him before then. I think you were looking for an easy target, Tubby looked like one, so then you wrote a wall to attack him.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

I can't quiet quench the feeling that this was like a Scum Christmas in July.

[Chronopie]

Since Reaper gave Flavour: MoI, if your flavour is equally (or more) believable, I will Sheep you my vote for today.

[Lowell]

ps- I hope "waiting in the wings" means they're having a secret second-level mafia game amongst themselves somewhere.

To answer whoever's question, I'm more or less going to follow claims and lynch randomly until we get some info. The rest is just confusion.

[willows_weep]

Hm, so we have Chrono fudging words/intent to help us believe his claim is town rather than letting us interpret it.
Then Reaper being caught in the vicinity of someone that died last night.

Wonderful. I'm more suspicious of Reaper because of something he did before (will tell you what it was and why it irked me later as I don't have time to filter the wall posts to find it. It was at the beginning of the Tubby issue I think).

Anyway, that's a very complicated role (tracker, vig, etc, etc) for one person in one game. I can't believe how intense all of these things are supposed to be...and we have no idea when we'll be able to get any confirmation...of anything!

this is a headache.

[Sawyer]

Hunt: KageLord

Maybe this will make him dead as a door nail..

Now that I think of it, Midnight would be a damn good lynch also. Maybe tomorrow eh?

As to why you are scum it's simple and I'll just put it out there for everyone to see

You were Tracked last night to Molestargazer who quite convienantly is Waiting in the Wings.

I'd rather not pussy-foot around with you. You may begin to flail about now.

More Reaper votes people!!!!

Lol wow, that was a game changer. But I believe his claim so my votes staying where it is. I really don't see the point in claiming when apparently no one will believe them.

I didn't think Benmage was scummy at first with the GH issue, but now I'm thinking otherwise because he's not even hunting with his eyes open. He's using moles death to his advantage just so he could get Reaper lynched. Even before he claimed, there was a possibility that Reaper could have been just a Vig (most likely), Tracker, Cop, Doc, or any number of things and Ben still didn't change his vote. Even after Reaper claimed to be a Vig/Tracker, he didn't even think about removing his vote. So not only is he and apparently many of people willing to risk lynching a Vig/Tracker, but they're willing to do so without getting a flip afterwards. Wooooooow.

[Benmage]

Hey Sawyer, what's your better alternative to today?

[farside22]

Hunting:

Tubby (4) ReaperCharlie, Sawyer, Chronopie, TheLonging,
ReaperCharlie (6) tubby216, Benmage, MagnaofIllusion, Lowell, LynchMePls, GenericHydra

Not hunting:

GroupThink
Nero Cain
animorpherv1
Snow_Bunny
Chronopie
Midnight's Sorrow
BlazezRb
Robocopter87
Untrod Tripod
willows_weep

[Snow_Bunny]

I find it quite funny that Day 2 opens and we see an rush of Day 1 lurkers popping up to comment on game design and not discuss their almost total absence Day 1.

Until we see some flips this discussion seems rather pointless.

Hunt: TheLonging.

Nice of you to join us. You are tickling my scumdar already.

So, you rather start another rvs? Because with things as they are, we are just like D1 (well, I assume most of us, at least).

well we could always not hunt today and see if that forces the flips from yesterday. cause otherwise we are hunting blind and who knows what we will end up killing.

From where do you get that this will happen if we not hunt?

see i see what you are doing here although i apreciate it its misdirected. I'll give you a few hours and let the maths catch up to you. I we were to no lynch or not hunt today now is the only time we as a town would still be able to recover. However with the lack of flips there could be all dead townies out there or all dead power roles, or we could be really lucky and

scum had crossedkilled. however i doubt we are that lucky.

but yah if your that blood thirsty hunt away captian crusader.

Bolded for emphasis –

Scum can cross-kill? Sounds like a case of ‘Inadvertant slip of information that only scum have at this point’. If that’s the case thanks for letting us know early that we are in a multi-scum team environment.

Unhunt – TheLonging
Hunt – Tubby

Uh, nice slip finding.

About Chrono millerness and whatnot, I rather leave that for latter. I rather lynch slipped scum than policy scummy. I'm still hot happy with KageLord being still alive, but well, it's a shame I only have one vote. D:

Hunt: tubby

Yeah, it's only normal for tubby to play like this, but that doesn't mean we should ignore everything for his meta. More often than not, tubby can survive using this lame excuse. Hope this time the slipped scum won't get too far.

first of all this wagon smells of fear and cluelessness. so yah i think i will sit back have my PBR and work on my awesome mullet.

Instead of concentrating solely on the wagon, yet ignoring all pressure to contribute, how about you actually help us win the game instead of being a useless moron?

What a novel idea.

You're asking too much.

@Magna: I am not quite getting the Reaper's love. Is it something I am missing, or it is just his reaction under pressure? EDIT: Oh, the tracking result. We aren't sure of what happened last night. For now I'll keep note of that.

You have yet to address your double standard. You completely skimmed over it the first time, and just did it again.

Kettle, there's a phone call for you. It's the pot.

You still haven't addressed 593. Hope it is going away?

It was a test Reaper ... didn't you divine that from the lack of cohesive case that usually accompanies votes from me that aren't based on information roles?

As to why you are scum it's simple and I'll just put it out there for everyone to see

You were Tracked last night to Molestargazer who quite convienantly is Waiting in the Wings.

I'd rather not pussy-foot around with you. You may begin to flail about now.

More Reaper votes people!!!!

BOOYAA! Time to die scum. Calling it since D1.

Unhunt
Hunt: ReaperCharlie

Looking at those 6 votes on Tubby is going to make this game retarded easy.

I don't like this post at all. Why should you believe Magna's info right away? Not only that, why does this make you think he's the cause of the dead? What makes you think Mole is town? Too much buddying here and info assumption for my own taste.

HFOS: LMP

It's funny how you all say those things as if you know exactly what people flipped...

Have something you all need to tell the rest of the Town? *raises eyebrow*

^This exactly.

Reaper's claim, at least from a flavour point of view, it's believable, at least for me. I'm more intrigued in the pressure on him, specially if it's based on info on a quite dark night.

[Benmage]

@Mod

There a reason why your not listing how many it takes to lynch?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Ok... since I can see that this will get way out of hand way fast, I am going to pre-emptively claim. Yes, I targeted molestargazer last night. I am a hunter of supernatural things named Bobby Singer and I use my power to track supernatural things. My wife was possessed by a demon and I had to kill her, and from then on I dedicated my life to hunting demons down.

I am also a tracker, Magna. I tracked molestargazer because it looked like he was trying to lay low and stay off the radar yesterday. He went nowhere.

Interesting claim Reaper. I’ll have to consider what I think of it since Bobby is a prominent character. My question regarding your target is this – why didn’t you track players like LMP or Benmage who you specifically made accusations of Day 1?

P.S. I have seen scum trackers in games before, it's possible Magna is trying to just set me up because he knew there'd be nothing I could claim to get out of it.

By extension it is possible your claim to being a Tracker is true you just happen to be a scum tracker. See how that speculation thing works?

when

magna says 'rc looks more town now or w/e

, you follow him as well. you're just riding the waves and trying to get a mislynch on me.

Support for the bolded portion, please.

Since Reaper gave Flavour: MoI, if your flavour is equally (or more) believable, I will Sheep you my vote for today.

Role-fish engage!! In all seriousness I’m not claiming unless I have solid reason to. Either you will support lynching Reaper based on the Track result or you will not. I’m not giving Scum even more free information just so you will Sheep.

^Lie alert

Mole isn't dead yet. He's 'Waiting in the wings'

You do understand that ‘Waiting in the wings’ is what happens when someone is ‘killed’ but their flip is not revealed, correct? Because trying to paint someone saying Mole is Dead as a lie is incorrect and scummy.

How anyone can make any educated assumption without flips is surly smoking the weed

We are working with what we have. My question to you –

If Molestar had flipped Town what does that change about Reaper’s being tracked to Mole? If he flips Scum? If he flips Third Party?

This super-cautious ‘we don’t know anything so we can’t make any moves’ agenda you are pushing isn’t very helpful to Town.

I can't quiet quench the feeling that this was like a Scum Christmas in July.

I can’t quite shake the feeling that generic statements are active lurking fodder.

I don't get all the flip flopping. Then you come out in 617 and said you used a night action. Why did you wait so long?

The biggest problem is, if we trust you and lynch RC we won't know his alligment/role.

My vote for TheLonging was for a specific reason I’m not going to elaborate on currently. As previously stated the Tubby vote was a test to see who would wagon based solely on a weak ‘scum-slip’.

And I didn’t come out in 617 and claim I used a Night action on Reaper. I claimed he was Tracked. Those two statements are not synonymous.

If we lynch anyone by your standard we aren’t going to know their alignment and role. Are you indicating that you want to actively support No-Lynching?

Even before he claimed, there was a possibility that Reaper could have been just a Vig (most likely), Tracker, Cop, Doc, or any number of things and Ben still didn't change his vote.

Umm I know it was probably just a rambling list but how in the heck could Reaper have claimed Doc / similar style role if Mole is dead?

Even after Reaper claimed to be a Vig/Tracker, he didn't even think about removing his vote

Is it your opinion that players should be required to unvote simply based on a claim? Tracker is essentially unproveable and unchallengable when said Target is dead. We already have a proven Dayvig. Given three people died last night it is also likely that we have some other Town vig style role. How many Vigs / Limited Vigs do you think are reasonable for a game this size?

[TheLonging]

Yes I did. Did you even read my post you are quoting here? I asked "Did you suspect Tubby

prior to this

". Clearly that means prior to the post where you were attacking him. Mentioning him 3 - 5 times in that one post is not the same as mentioning him before then. I think you were looking for an easy target, Tubby looked like one, so then you wrote a wall to attack him.

Well ok, but here's the thing. I wasn't here due to V/LA, me being a lazyass, and real life shit. I was not here to attack tubby then, and I went QUOTE, by QUOTE, by QUOTE. I didn't start from page 23 and work my way back, or go to page 23 then say "Hmmmmm, I'll convienently go all the way back to page 1 and attack tubby!" THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS.

I want to believe Reaper's claim, it SEEMS legitimate, and yes you guys, despite what you may think here, I find his play to be somewhat town, if not 100%.

[Benmage]

I find his play to be somewhat town, if not 100%.

And how would you define my play, magnas, and LMP's?

Go ahead and throw GH and and anyone else who doesn't believe RC into that mix.

[TheLonging]

GH is much more quiet than he was D1, so I'm honestly on the fence about him. Magna I read as town as well, LMP, not really. I'd call his play scummy even. I'm still for a tubby lynch, but I would not mind an LMP one too.

Also I believe there might be a role that will reveal flips. I'm just thinking here. How else will we know who the people Waiting In The Wings actually are?

~Jeff Magnum

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok... since I can see that this will get way out of hand way fast, I am going to pre-emptively claim. Yes, I targeted molestargazer last night. I am a hunter of supernatural things named Bobby Singer and I use my power to track supernatural things. My wife was possessed by a demon and I had to kill her, and from then on I dedicated my life to hunting demons down.

I am also a tracker, Magna. I tracked molestargazer because it looked like he was trying to lay low and stay off the radar yesterday. He went nowhere.

Interesting claim Reaper. I’ll have to consider what I think of it since Bobby is a prominent character. My question regarding your target is this – why didn’t you track players like LMP or Benmage who you specifically made accusations of Day 1?

cause they were actively participating in discussion and i wanted to get some info on somebody who not much info could be gleaned about otherwise. i still dont see what gain there would be to kill him, i thought he was scum.

P.S. I have seen scum trackers in games before, it's possible Magna is trying to just set me up because he knew there'd be nothing I could claim to get out of it.

By extension it is possible your claim to being a Tracker is true you just happen to be a scum tracker. See how that speculation thing works?

so basically... you're just saying "NO U"?

when

magna says 'rc looks more town now or w/e

, you follow him as well. you're just riding the waves and trying to get a mislynch on me.

Support for the bolded portion, please.

oops i was unconsciously linking LMP's 507 with something you said earlier about 231.

have you, or have you not, noticed LMP accusing me of something, backing off, and then accusing me again once starbuck agreed, then backing off again later (507), and then attacking me again with a vengeance as soon as you report your results? yes or no?

and do you or do you not think it's scummy of benmage to have a double standard regarding tubby's and GH's obstinacy?

and do you or do you not think its scummy as all h311 of benmage to contribute next-to-nothing?

and do you honestly think after coming under suspicion day 1, that AS SCUM, i would a) perform a night kill for whatever faction i was in, b) lead a lynch on tubby d2, putting myself right out in the open?

this is mostly at magna, but everyone else is free to answer as well.

[Benmage]

and do you or do you not think it's scummy of benmage to have a double standard regarding tubby's and GH's obstinacy?

and do you or do you not think its scummy as all h311 of benmage to contribute next-to-nothing?

Do you even think about what you post? I've answered the first...and how can you say i've done nothing this game...

[Benmage]

MOD Untrod Tripod

put him in your sig, wrath god kill his ass....he has one post.

DO SOMETHING

[ReaperCharlie]

and do you or do you not think it's scummy of benmage to have a double standard regarding tubby's and GH's obstinacy?

and do you or do you not think its scummy as all h311 of benmage to contribute next-to-nothing?

Do you even think about what you post? I've answered the first...and how can you say i've done nothing this game...

ebwop: do you or to you not think its scummy as all h311 of TUBBY to contribute next-to-nothing? (not benmage)

[MagnaofIllusion]

cause they were actively participating in discussion and i wanted to get some info on somebody who not much info could be gleaned about otherwise. i still dont see what gain there would be to kill him, i thought he was scum.

That’s horrible reasoning. You are approaching a Tracker as if it is a Cop. It’s a very different kind of information role. Cops are great for hitting players you are having a hard time getting a read on because you still get a result. Trackers only work when you get action from the target. Getting a no result from someone only tells you that they didn’t do anything that night. At best it might indicate they aren’t a Serial Killer. It doesn’t tell you if they are scum that didn’t make a kill or have a Night action.

Your last two sentences are a nice bit of unsupportable logic, BTW. It presupposes that you are actually aren’t scum. Which is something I’m not currently believing.

so basically... you're just saying "NO U"?

Funny, that’s actually what you did with the whole “I have seen scum Trackers” line. But why quibble

and do you or do you not think it's scummy of benmage to have a double standard regarding tubby's and GH's obstinacy?

and do you or do you not think its scummy as all h311 of benmage to contribute next-to-nothing?

and do you honestly think after coming under suspicion day 1, that AS SCUM, i would a) perform a night kill for whatever faction i was in, b) lead a lynch on tubby d2, putting myself right out in the open?

1. How does benmage have a double standard regarding Tubby and GH? He’s attacked (futilely, IMO) GH for withholding identity information. I don’t see Tubby doing that. Tubby is if anything not contributing.

2. I breezed through benmage’s ISO. If you think he his contributing nothing you are either deluded or scum grasping at straws. The list of players with less content contributed than benmage is huge. Why aren’t you attacking them for their lack of contributions?

PREVIEW EDIT - So you EBWOPed that to Tubby. Yes I think Tubby's contributions represent active lurking. He's a great Vig target IMO. That said I think you are a better lynch today based on the Track results and your responses thus far.

3. A tasty WIFOMSandwich from Reaper. Tasty but ultimately not filling.

[Benmage]

and do you or do you not think it's scummy of benmage to have a double standard regarding tubby's and GH's obstinacy?

and do you or do you not think its scummy as all h311 of benmage to contribute next-to-nothing?

Do you even think about what you post? I've answered the first...and how can you say i've done nothing this game...

ebwop: do you or to you not think its scummy as all h311 of TUBBY to contribute next-to-nothing? (not benmage)

I wouldn't say hes contributed next to nothing, so your stated question already falls short. It yields me to options based on something I don't believe to be true. Is he the best contributor here? Of course not. Are there many players worse than him in contribution? Hell yeah.

Why are you so against tubby's "obstinacy" and lack of contribution when there are so many other guilty parties? Trying to flail at anything to keep people looking not at you methinks.