Mad World: Time Travel Mafia (Game Over)

[ooba]

Karma has received his prod just now. (aka no longer in the outbox). I am giving him 24 hours before replacing him.

As promised, Budja replaces Karma.
Thank ye!

[ooba]

"Wait, I remember these birds..."
"Oh, great. You can see into the future but all you remember are Polly and Tweety?"

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..] Vote Count [..

Mafuyu (0)

Rhinox (0)

ReaperCharlie (4)

- CallMeLiam, Tasky, Empking, Rhinox

curiouskarmadog (0)

Robbnva (0)

SharkFinn (3)

- Karma, I doubt it, ReaperCharlie

KageLord (0)

CallMeLiam (0)

Anon (0)

Karma (0)

Tasky (3)

- Robbnva, Anon, SharkFinn

diginova (0)

Empking (1)

I doubt it (0)

Not voting (4)

- Mafuyu, KageLord, diginova, curiouskarmadog

You have a week and few hours to deadline

[Budja]

Hello, hello.

Your unlikely to get a post tonight (its late), but I'll be reading and should be caught up by tomorrow.

[ReaperCharlie]

I and digi are not scum together, get that out of your head this very second. though i *am* interested why he is pushing on me so much. it seems like he was itchin' to lynch me

empking, I skim the last few posts since my own last, and then respond summarily. it's much different than reading in-depth and/or doing a full re-read. the time difference is between 3-4 minutes or 1.5-2 hours, and if that's not significant enough to be my reason why i am playing like this, then I don't know what is.

and i definitely don't have enough time to spend an hour in each game I'm in, each day or two, so.... hence the mini-catchup/prod avoidance posts.

[I doubt it]

The main reason my vote was on RC at that moment was that he said that he wouldn't post anything until he had a wagon going on him. I find active lurking to be much worse than actual lurking, and RC was very bad at that, and he actually posted some game-relevant information. Truthfully, at the time of my unvote, RC had promised a second part of his post, and I assumed that the initial prod would be enough to get him to start contributing, but if he keeps posting in line with his latest #369, my vote is going back on him very shortly.

I really would prefer if you used your vote to find scum instead of using it to make sure one person isn't active lurking, when nearly everyone else in the thread is prod dodging and/or making minimal contributions.

In fact, I'd like you to make one thing clear: Do you think he's scum, or do you just not like his active lurking? Also, did you think he was scum earlier, when you voted for him, and did you somehow change your mind when he did post content? I'm not really sure what to make of someone who essentially uses his vote as a prod.


Here's someone all of you who have no suspects and nothing to say can comment on:

SharkFinn's ISOs 15 and 16:

This combines both Karma's vote on me and why I think RC is suspicious. Karma voted me 'cause he thought that it was suspicious that I was suspicious of RC in the first post. I was more focused on the apology because, as you can see, he made A LOT of posts before this so apologizign for a lack of activity is unnecessary. Karma thought it was for the thought of a content filled post I was afraid of. I still fail to see how I implied that, but I had no problem, and still waiting for a good indepth post, which is where I'm growing suspect.

RC's first 18 or so posts from the iso a few posts ago were contentless, probably because of his modding of another game, but Im wondering where his main iso, indepth post is.

FoS: RC until I hear a solid, indepth post on a suspect

Prememptive FoS: Karma for overreacting to my post and the possible derailing the RC wagon (this is only applicable if he's actually scum)

VOTE: Tasky

Reiterating CKD's post. Tasky is scummy. RC is still pending his future post, but leaning on town.

The transition from 15's FoS on RC to 16's "leaning town" is jarring. What happened between 15 and 16 is that a lot of people stated dislike of the RC wagon, so SharkFinn flipped to go with the crowd. Same thing can be said about his suspicions on Tasky, they appear only when Taskywagon has 3 people on it.

I still think the flip from FoS to "leaning town" is highly suspicious, and his latest lurking and prod dodging isn't helping.

[diginova]

In fact, I'd like you to make one thing clear: Do you think he's scum, or do you just not like his active lurking? Also, did you think he was scum earlier, when you voted for him, and did you somehow change your mind when he did post content? I'm not really sure what to make of someone who essentially uses his vote as a prod.

I actually find active lurking to be a scumtell more than just uberlurking. I forget who originally brought this up, but I agree with the fact that town will mainly lurk enough to get prodded, while scum will lurk, yet still pop in and say something whenever they're called. The fact that RC constantly has enough time to post worthless joking content and ask why people are voting him shows that he's following the thread, he's just trying to stay under the radar so as not to say anything that could be evidence against him later. A breakdown of his ISO (he's posted 55 posts):

DAY 1
0: RVS vote
Iso1-4: Joking about avatars, "I should probably read my role PM"
Iso5: RVS vote
Iso6-8: random points about the thread with no analysis, "I haven't been reading the thread too closely"
Iso9: Follows Anon's vote since "his logic is practiced and valuable" and "I'm on [Anon's] probtown list"
Iso10: OMGUS vote
Iso11: Replies to mentions of him with one wrd each
Iso12-17: More joking and contentless posts
Iso18: OMGUS vote
Iso19-27: Explaining basic concepts, more joking, also saying that he's busy with his other game
Iso28: Jumps on the Longing wagon
Iso29-30: More joking

DAY 2
Iso31: "I need to re-read"
Iso32-33: Speculating on the role, yet again contentless posts
Iso34: OMGUS vote, after complaining about OMGUS in 31/33
Iso35: "Usually I [don't read the thread] until people start a wagon on me, but it's already started so I'll have to read some time today I guess =\"
Iso36-42: More joking and "pro tips", "My analysis is coming"
Iso43: His one post with some content, but mainly just IIoA and more joking as he claims. He calls me out for explaining things in 60-61, while he's done that pretty much all game. Votes and unvotes in the same post, which has been covered before.
Iso44-47: "Wait for the second half" / "I deleted the second half" / Transformers picture
Iso48: Vote with no reasoning whatsoever
Iso49-52: Wants explanation for votes still on him, more joking
Iso53: Gets fake-jokingly defensive (lol followed by gtfo) when I ask about some actual contribution

Someone who has posted a full 14% of the posts in this game yet has told so little is very telling, and that's why I am strongly considering changing my vote back to him, and this time it would have nothing to do with his lurking and everything to do with the fact that he's acting pretty much exactly like stereotypical scum.

[ReaperCharlie]

I and digi are not scum together, get that out of your head this very second. though i *am* interested why he is pushing on me so much. it seems like he was itchin' to lynch me

empking, I skim the last few posts since my own last, and then respond summarily. it's much different than reading in-depth and/or doing a full re-read. the time difference is between 3-4 minutes or 1.5-2 hours, and if that's not significant enough to be my reason why i am playing like this, then I don't know what is.

and i definitely don't have enough time to spend an hour in each game I'm in, each day or two, so.... hence the mini-catchup/prod avoidance posts.

maybe you didn't read this post.
or maybe you just don't care.

personally, I think it's the latter.

[Mafuyu]

I still think the flip from FoS to "leaning town" is highly suspicious, and his latest lurking and prod dodging isn't helping.

Mafuyu will bite! Mafuyu thinks that three days worth of content as well as it being a weekend is a fairly decent reason for a chance in viewpoint; however, it is worthwhile to consider in said conjunction with recent attempts to lurk.

FOS Sharkfinsoup

@Reaper: Ending a suspicion-rousing sentence with a raised-eyebrow has always confused Mafuyu. Is that a person's natural want to dangle between self-destruction and salvation emerging in post form, or is Reaper just screwing around by attempting to insinuate setup arrangements?

[Budja]

Well I've read/skimmed most of the thread.

Anon/CKD are obv. town.
Reaper is Reaper, he is playing to meta and now he is starting to contribute properly is a bad lynch.
I'm keeping Karma's vote, SharkFinn hasn't been feeling town to me. (The go-with-the-flow case by I doubt it above looks good too but I need to look closer myself later.)

No obv. scum reads spring out at me from day 1.
It fell flat for lack of competing wagons and Longing looked bad enough anyway.

[SharkFinn]

I apologize for lurking lately, mainly IRL stuff, but anyways.

The reason I switched off RB between those votes was because I glanced over the thread again and in my mind, I thought he was more likely town plus the wagon on him just didnt feel right with me. I still do not understand how switching from FoS to leaning town is making me scummy, but I understand how my lack of posts the past few days have. I plan to put some more effort finding the best lynch candidate (as my theory on gandalf was correct before)

[SharkFinn]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Empking

9 posts have been made by him (most of them recently making this a an easy iso)
Post 1: RVS on The Longing
Post 2: Defends Vote on The Longing
Post 3: (4 days later) Reiterates TL Scum.
Post 4: Asks Karma why the vote is on me and Votes RC
Post 5: Unvotes and revotes RC <--

this is why I didn’t like the wagon on RC and still have some doubts about.

Post 6: Explains that RC is not scumhunting and he could do better as town.
Post 7: Unvotes because RC is contributing, votes KL
Post 8: Explains that he does not like the play of KL because it’s defensive and not putting himself out there.
Post 9: Comment about wording of his previous post.
Post 10: Asks RC why he posts a lot if he doesn’t have time

I still don’t know about RC at all. I don’t like the fact that he’s posting tons of useless stuff and not much actual content. I really don’t like Empking’s voting habits and lack of content himself. I mean I’ve written more lines in this post than he has this entire game. His longest post (line wise and without quotes) is 3 lines long. I prefer a Empking lynch first.

[Budja]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=14305

^ This (recently finished) game helps explain Emp's actions re. RC.

[ReaperCharlie]

I can dig that. Remind me again how many votes are on you though, Sharkfinn?

[ReaperCharlie]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=14305

^ This (recently finished) game helps explain Emp's actions re. RC.

Ninja'd. But I agree.

[SharkFinn]

I can dig that. Remind me again how many votes are on you though, Sharkfinn?

3 votes. Why?

[ReaperCharlie]

Juuuust checking.

[ReaperCharlie]

V/LA my wife is going into labor. It might be a few days.

[Rhinox]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Empking

9 posts have been made by him (most of them recently making this a an easy iso)
Post 1: RVS on The Longing
Post 2: Defends Vote on The Longing
Post 3: (4 days later) Reiterates TL Scum.
Post 4: Asks Karma why the vote is on me and Votes RC
Post 5: Unvotes and revotes RC <-- this is why I didn’t like the wagon on RC and still have some doubts about.
Post 6: Explains that RC is not scumhunting and he could do better as town.
Post 7: Unvotes because RC is contributing, votes KL
Post 8: Explains that he does not like the play of KL because it’s defensive and not putting himself out there.
Post 9: Comment about wording of his previous post.
Post 10: Asks RC why he posts a lot if he doesn’t have time

All you did was post a summary of his posts. you didn't do any interpretation or explaining what about those posts makes empking scum. I'd like to hear some reasoning, rather than "here's an iso-summary, vote: XXXXX".

[Rhinox]

Just noticed my predecessor was voting reaper and the vote carried over. Normally I would have obligatory unvoted to form my own reads, but I forgot this game. Saying this now to acknowledge that I'm as of this point making a conscious decision to leave the vote there. If Reaper has time write a 3 paragraph post explaining why he doesn't have time to post content, I can't see why he can't give a 3 sentence post giving an opinion on who's scum and maybe a couple supporting reasons.

[ooba]

You have a little under six days for the deadline.

Have prodded Robbnva, KageLord and CallMeLiam. Am searching for a pre-emptive Robbnva replacement.

[Empking]

I didn't RV TL, I gut voted TL.

[curiouskarmadog]

Ok, got some time, updating this game
Think I am updating for about page 14, not too much has happened since then.
Still waiting on this.

RC "ckd 124: you seem rather jumpy about a vote on you, good sir. and not even a vote, just a threat of a vote. noted."

thats what you are noting, then? Not the fact he was threatening to vote me if I didnt back off of him? You also dont touch on the fact I wanted him to defend his threat ie explain why I was scummy. It also should be noted that my scum vibe was on about him....well at least my not-town vibe.

"And for what it's worth: Even though TL flipped town, she deserved to die. (She's probably in the dead players quicktopic at this very moment shaking her fist and screaming "I AM NOT FEMALE!" rofl)"

other than the miller explain, why in your words was TL scummy?

and

ah crap i think i accidentally deleted the other half of my post.

sh11111111111111t

also I am curious, when did the “other half” of the post get deleted (when did you realize) ? When did you type it(right before, days earlier)? Would like some details on this please. Why answer the why later.

i will contribute as i get time. i haven't had much time to devote to this game lately, i have a bunch of others too.

thats not our fault nor is it an excuse.

V/LA my wife is going into labor. It might be a few days.

ummm, just a heads up, my wife is about to pop as well (08/18), so if I disappear during this time, that is why...will give a heads up if I can...heard the hospital has wifi. Congrats RC, but I still want the above answered.

Ok, I have caught up..not a lot has happen

Still got a bug in my joint about tasky, but beginning to understand the wagon on RC.

Vote tasky

, got a nose of these things.

[CallMeLiam]

Honestly my gut still says RC is scum. His active lurking is at the very least anti-town and I really don't find the cases on SK and Tasky that strong. I'm sorry I don't have much to add about this, but I've got nothing substantial to add that wouldn't be parroting others

[Mafuyu]

V/LA my wife is going into labor. It might be a few days.

....do you work where Mafuyu works? Eerie.


With a mild amount of additional reading, Mafuyu is going to

Vote Sharkfinn

. Hopefully Mafuyu can scrounge time Friday or Saturday to complete a comprehensive reading, but right now it's mostly popping online for small bursts of time in between recent work.

[Robbnva]

You have a little under six days for the deadline.

Have prodded Robbnva, KageLord and CallMeLiam. Am searching for a pre-emptive Robbnva replacement.

no need to replace me, haven't posted cause nothing really stands out to make me change my vote and have been busy irl

I will make sure I post more