Locke wrote:Rhinox: you'd posted not long before endorsing the SV wagon, for starters. You didn't even identify what it was you didn't like about it. Too many votes too quickly? Poor reasons for voting? Bad feeling about the players who did jump on? It's basically just a catch-all for absolving yourself of responsibility if SV flips town with no actual scumhunting worth, a mere few hours after having said you could get behind the wagon.
It was mostly that the votes piled on too quickly, as well as having some bad feelings about those who did jump on. Chrono was my top suspect and was threatening to hammer - I don't think chrono even mentioned SV all game, but now is suddenly ready to hammer? Pittbunny jumped on without giving a reason. Ani jumped on just to secure a lynch and avoid a no lynch. Twomz voted and basically said that SV would distract the vig from targetting mafia (implying the twomz believed SV to be town). These votes all happened nearly back to back after I said I could get behind a SV wagon (for the sake of argument, I'll allow you to call that endorsing the wagon, but IMO saying that I could get behind it is a far cry from being 100% ok with it). And, all of these voters seemed to take the lynching soley to avoid a no lynch, while forgetting there was still 4 days til deadline.
Now, I would have said all this yesterday. In fact, I was planning on it. I even had a post prepared similar to this one, that I chose not to submit because I didn't want to jump in and try to derail the towns first big wagon without giving SV a chance to respond to the pressure first. With 4 days to deadline, I thought I would have time to say all this after SV responded. There's something to be said for the process of, run up a wagon, defend, argue both sides, claim, and then use the information to decide on a better lynch choice (or lynch the original wagonee anyways). Like, SV claiming millar would have probably got him lynched anyways. I would have been willing to hammer at that point. But it still would have been worth having the discussion about it before the lynch to reference today.
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Rereading the posts around the SV lynch, I noticed something...
Millar: did you know you were hammering SV when you placed your vote?
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Raider: charlie's vote on you is crap and I understand you're on LA...
but all the same, it seems like an awfully big coincidence that you only posted after you get voted. Your posts today have mostly been about charlie. Do you think he's scum and want him lynched? What do you feel about other players in the game? Why aren't you voting anyone?
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Ythan #895: Playing outguessing the mod? I'd prefer to base conclusions about any player based on how they're playing, rather than what faction a role is likely to be.
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Chrono wrote:I saw a person with few/no votes (You), defending a likely lynch (Richard), so rather than start an entirely new wagon, I piled on top of the existing wagon on said scummy player (Richard). Richard seemed scummy to a larger number, and I wasn't sure on my read of the situation (and my ability to build a cogent case, from scratch, and gather enough support). If Richard does flip scum, I see you being buddy #1.
Except I wasn't defending a likely lynch at all. I was questioning Xite's genuine-ness in voting richard. In the same post you base this accusation on, I gave reasons why I would
a Richard lynch. Granted, my opinion of Richard has changed since then, but the basis for your argument at the time was faulty.
You are also telling me, you voted richard because there was a wagon on him so others thought he was scummy. You never said you yourself thought richard was scummy. This seems like a case of scum trying to blend in with the town - appeal to majority?
What I really want to see from you right now is, pick out someone you think is scum, give a reason, and place a vote.
If you're really feeling ambitious, I would also like to know why you were going to hammer SV, despite never once mentioning him previously in the game?
