Mini 1012: Mafia In Soraville (Game Over!)

[InflatablePie]

v/la for 2 days

vote:DemonHybrid

[ready2rock]

vote:DemonHybrid

Quickest V/LA for 2 days ever.

Mod: can we have a vote count?

[esuriospiritus]

@DH: Because your explanation seemed more like a backtrack to me. If it weren't for that your cases would be more or less equal.

Seconding the vote count request.

[esuriospiritus]

...Wow, wtf Jack

[DemonHybrid]

By the way, fair enough esurio.

So I think it's safe to say that Jack's gambit was for the one voting him first.

Waiting for Friend's reply to my wall.

[Friend]

A: You really want to focus on the fact that I took my vote on Jack "seriously". I really wanted to see how far you'd take your argument on me, and wow, did you ever take it far. Of COURSE I know Jack posted that purposely, no one can be that stupid. In your eyes, you could be town seeing dumb-scum, yeah, but I really think that your seriousness of your vote on me really shines as scummy to me, especially since you took your defense to the extreme here. And it's a bit ironic that you mentioned the "noobish mistake" part...that was the peanut butter in the mouse-trap.

So what did you think Jack was pulling when you voted him if you weren't taking it seriously? Oh, and you keep talking about how your vote was all just a joke, but then this...

Jack... that's like posting "Mod says I'm some kind of serial killer, I don't know what my alignment is, can y'all help?"...

Don't know if I should vote you or not... awaiting explanation.

It's weird, because he registered in 2006.

I'll bite though.

Who the hell asks about their own role on page two?

And this...

I still want Jack to talk though. Who the hell says something like that, in all honesty?

That doesn't exactly scream "non-serious vote" to me.

I don't have anything really to say to your other points - nothing worth mentioning is in there. A lot of that stuff seems like we were misunderstanding each other or it's not important to the subject at hand.

You and esurio turning suspicion onto fugitive, whose playstyle is blunt and concise, reads a little scummy to me too. Guys like that are easy for scum to point at and go "wah he's not explaining himself OMG how scummy" when really it's not.

[Jack]

I haven't started the v/la yet obviously. It's a 3 day v/la anyway.

[DemonHybrid]

A: You really want to focus on the fact that I took my vote on Jack "seriously". I really wanted to see how far you'd take your argument on me, and wow, did you ever take it far. Of COURSE I know Jack posted that purposely, no one can be that stupid. In your eyes, you could be town seeing dumb-scum, yeah, but I really think that your seriousness of your vote on me really shines as scummy to me, especially since you took your defense to the extreme here. And it's a bit ironic that you mentioned the "noobish mistake" part...that was the peanut butter in the mouse-trap.

POINT A:

So what did you think Jack was pulling when you voted him if you weren't taking it seriously? Oh, and you keep talking about how your vote was all just a joke, but then this...

Jack... that's like posting "Mod says I'm some kind of serial killer, I don't know what my alignment is, can y'all help?"...

Don't know if I should vote you or not... awaiting explanation.

It's weird, because he registered in 2006.

I'll bite though.

Who the hell asks about their own role on page two?

POINT B:

And this...

I still want Jack to talk though. Who the hell says something like that, in all honesty?

That doesn't exactly scream "non-serious vote" to me.

I don't have anything really to say to your other points - nothing worth mentioning is in there. A lot of that stuff seems like we were misunderstanding each other or it's not important to the subject at hand.

POINT C:

You and esurio turning suspicion onto fugitive, whose playstyle is blunt and concise, reads a little scummy to me too. Guys like that are easy for scum to point at and go "wah he's not explaining himself OMG how scummy" when really it's not.

A: lolseriousness. You're reading way into the prospect of me "taking it seriously" when I never did. I wanted to see who would suspect me the most while I fell for his gambit, and you're it, IMO.

B: I should've screamed for more attention to my vote on Jack then, but I think that if I did that, I would've attracted town votes instead.

C: Neither of us have talked about Fugitive's scumminess. I simply asked her whether or not she was suspecting him for withholding information. The only people who's scumminess I've elaborated on were yours and Jack's.

You're doing a lot of assuming. Brb with another post with your compiled assumptions.

[Friend]

A: lolseriousness. You're reading way into the prospect of me "taking it seriously" when I never did. I wanted to see who would suspect me the most while I fell for his gambit, and you're it, IMO.

So you purposely fell for his gambit as a gambit of your own? I'm sorry, but I don't believe that for a second. Now you're just covering your own ass.

B: I should've screamed for more attention to my vote on Jack then, but I think that if I did that, I would've attracted town votes instead.

I don't understand this - please elaborate more.

C: Neither of us have talked about Fugitive's scumminess. I simply asked her whether or not she was suspecting him for withholding information. The only people who's scumminess I've elaborated on were yours and Jack's.

Hey, look, it's the same kind of thing I voted DH for. Why would you have information/an opinion that is not of the "hi, I'm a power role and x is town you can NK me nao" variety and withhold that information unless you are scum who is trying to suss out what is a "safe" opinion to have at this time?

Heh.

Since I explained myself, why aren't you suspecting Fugitive more then, esurio?

Diverting attention away from yourself, I see...

[esuriospiritus]

@DH: Do you view assuming things as something scum do? If not, why are you making a big deal out of it?

[DemonHybrid]

For some points that I didn't elaborate on that well:

Kov, why are you so afraid about Twomz OMGUS-ing you?

Seriously taking an RVS vote into consideration to bring things out of RVS. A little eager to start putting heat onto people.

I'll assume you're referring to me.

What, specifically, are you waiting for?

I never said I was going to vote for you. At that point, I could've gone after Pie as well, but you were thinking about yourself instead. Way to quick to defend yourself, here.

You and esurio turning suspicion onto fugitive, whose playstyle is blunt and concise, reads a little scummy to me too. Guys like that are easy for scum to point at and go "wah he's not explaining himself OMG how scummy" when really it's not.

You're feeling a little heated; time to turn the argument against someone else when no one was really talking about him that much (other than Pie, but you didn't mention him; just esurio and I). In fact, going by your logic, I'm surprised you're not pointing at least an eye at IP.

Preview Edit: Esurio: My point is, Friend seems to be jumping the gun a little bit as far as arguments concerning him goes. There's a difference between assumption when it concerns someone relevant to the conversation and assumption when someone isn't. (Nervousness can cause this.)

Preview Edit towards Friend:

1st point: Yep.

2nd point: You'd think that when I made such a big deal about making Jack talk, it'd be obvious that I knew that he wasn't that stupid...I even mentioned his sign up date @_@

3rd point: *I've never talked about Fugitive's scumminess. The only people who's scumminess I've elaborated on....

Mistype, sorry about that. It's pretty late here.

4th point: I was more or less curious about why she wasn't voting for him if Fugi did the same thing that I did in her eyes. Question answered, question dropped.

By the way, fair enough esurio.

It ended right here. One could say that you're diverting attention away from yourself as well =P

[sorasgoof]

I'll do a vote count first thing tomorrow morning (wait, it's after midnight...so...later this morning). I just got home from playing a lot of Call of Duty* with my friends at one of their houses. Should've just stayed the night, I guess. I NEED to go to sleep right now, so I won't do it tonight.

*Got a nuke on Crash with an ACR w/Holo Sight, SPAS-12, Scavenger Pro, Stopping Power Pro, Ninja Pro, Claymores, Stuns. I recommend it wholeheartedly.

[Friend]

A little eager to start putting heat onto people.

That's a good thing, IMO. You're stretching now.

You're feeling a little heated; time to turn the argument against someone else when no one was really talking about him that much (other than Pie, but you didn't mention him; just esurio and I). In fact, going by your logic, I'm surprised you're not pointing at least an eye at IP.

IP didn't act like he was suspicious. If you actually, you know, read my post, you could have noticed that I wasn't suspecting Fugitive for anything.

3rd point: *I've never talked about Fugitive's scumminess. The only people who's scumminess I've elaborated on....

Pretty big mistype, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now and assume (OMG) that you were just skimming.

Preview Edit: Esurio: My point is, Friend seems to be jumping the gun a little bit as far as arguments concerning him goes. There's a difference between assumption when it concerns someone relevant to the conversation and assumption when someone isn't. (Nervousness can cause this.)

If the arguments are poor, of course I'm going to defend myself against them. I'm not going to sit back and let you attack me without posting a response.

And yeah, I don't believe that you "fake-fell" for Jack's move for a second based on your posts afterwards. That vote was serious and you turning it into a "gambit" to cover your ass is scummy.

And congrats, Sora. I'm not good enough to get nukes :/

[esuriospiritus]

A little eager to start putting heat onto people.

In early day one, how is that a bad thing? The sooner people are forced to take stances on things, the better.

Gods, Sora, you could have at least been out all day playing a

good

game. (JK. But seriously, never seen the appeal in war games. Love most video games, but I'm probably just too much of a hippy pacifist. Which makes it all the more funny that I actually enjoy a forum game where people get all roiled up and argue over who needs to be lynched.)

[DemonHybrid]

A little eager to start putting heat onto people.

A:

That's a good thing, IMO. You're stretching now.

You're feeling a little heated; time to turn the argument against someone else when no one was really talking about him that much (other than Pie, but you didn't mention him; just esurio and I). In fact, going by your logic, I'm surprised you're not pointing at least an eye at IP.

B:

IP didn't act like he was suspicious. If you actually, you know, read my post, you could have noticed that I wasn't suspecting Fugitive for anything.

3rd point: *I've never talked about Fugitive's scumminess. The only people who's scumminess I've elaborated on....

C:

Pretty big mistype, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now and assume (OMG) that you were just skimming.

Preview Edit: Esurio: My point is, Friend seems to be jumping the gun a little bit as far as arguments concerning him goes. There's a difference between assumption when it concerns someone relevant to the conversation and assumption when someone isn't. (Nervousness can cause this.)

D:

If the arguments are poor, of course I'm going to defend myself against them. I'm not going to sit back and let you attack me without posting a response.

E:

And yeah, I don't believe that you "fake-fell" for Jack's move for a second based on your posts afterwards. That vote was serious and you turning it into a "gambit" to cover your ass is scummy.

A: It can be...however, it seems too forced in this case. What about his post made you think that he was legit scared to be OMGUS'd and not just joking?

B: I never said you were suspecting Fugitive. I meant that you were turning the argument around to include him (as in, Me/Esurio vs Fugitive) and to repel attention away from you. You hadn't mentioned him before that, and I hadn't even said anything about his scumminess, but:

"Friend wrote:
You and esurio turning suspicion onto fugitive, whose playstyle is blunt and concise, reads a little scummy to me too. Guys like that are easy for scum to point at and go "wah he's not explaining himself OMG how scummy" when really it's not."

this assumes that I just went and suspected him out of nowhere. It just rang out as an attention-repellent.

C: I had my mind set on me asking her that question when I typed that question, so it all sorta meshed together. Plus, it's 1 AM =P

D: No, no, no. Point completely missed. Let's take your post after I said "I think I know who I'm going to vote for", the one where you said "Vote for me, what are you waiting for?" I'm not just talking about straight up defending yourself, I'm talking about defending yourself when there's no need to at the time. How did you know that I was going to vote for you? Because I put you high on my scumlist? How do you know you were at the top of it? I never clearly said any of these things, you just assumed everything. That's what I'm talking about. What you're doing right now is straight up defending.

E: That's like the 5th time you've said that.

Preview Edit:

@esurio: It's not always necessarily a bad thing, but look at it in the context of this game. Do you really think that he was serious when he said "No, don't OMGUS me!"?

[Friend]

A: It can be...however, it seems too forced in this case. What about his post made you think that he was legit scared to be OMGUS'd and not just joking?

Nothing, really, but even a joke "OMG don't vote me" needs to be explained. It seemed nervous to me so I asked him about it.

How is turning suspicion onto you (who I've suspected all along) an attention-repellent?

[esuriospiritus]

I don't think he was serious, but I don't think it was out-of-line for Friend to question him for it as if it were serious, either. The post in question was on page two, for frell's sake. Any question made to draw out a serious response is a good one that early even if it would come across as paranoid later in the game, imo.

PREVIEW EDIT: Ninja'd by Friend.

[DemonHybrid]

A: It can be...however, it seems too forced in this case. What about his post made you think that he was legit scared to be OMGUS'd and not just joking?

Nothing, really, but even a joke "OMG don't vote me" needs to be explained. It seemed nervous to me so I asked him about it.

How is turning suspicion onto you (who I've suspected all along) an attention-repellent?

It's not you turning suspicion on me, it's how you did it. I never talked about how scummy Fugitive is, but you used the fact that esurio and I had a brief 3-post conversation on him by saying that I called him scummy.

Also, no. Joke posts like that don't need to be explained. It was pretty obvious that he wasn't serious about it, so it rung out as scummy to me when you focused on it so deeply.

[InflatablePie]

It's like the fifth time he's said that because it needs to be pointed out because we want more votes on you. Oh, and nice move trying to divert suspicion on to me back there. Bravo.

Still want to hear from Twomz, as this debate will probably keep going for a while and I think he should offer his thoughts on it now instead of "waiting till it's over". Since he only answers questions directed at him: Twomz, what are your thoughts on DH vs Friend?

Preview edit: 3 new posts in the time I took to write this up? For the love of Cthulu...

[Jack]

unvote, vote:Inflatable Pie

[DemonHybrid]

It's like the fifth time he's said that because it needs to be pointed out because we want more votes on you. Oh, and nice move trying to divert suspicion on to me back there. Bravo.

Still want to hear from Twomz, as this debate will probably keep going for a while and I think he should offer his thoughts on it now instead of "waiting till it's over". Since he only answers questions directed at him: Twomz, what are your thoughts on DH vs Friend?

Preview edit: 3 new posts in the time I took to write this up? For the love of Cthulu...

Oh no, I used you as an example!

I don't suspect you at all. Read again: "Going by your (Friend's) logic, I'm surprised that you aren't keeping an eye on IP"

So...hmmmmm.

[Friend]

Sorry, I must have misinterpreted something w/r/t you and fugitive.

What do you mean by "hmmm" in the above?

[DemonHybrid]

Sorry, I must have misinterpreted something w/r/t you and fugitive.

What do you mean by "hmmm" in the above?

Hmmm as in Pie's post is pretty interesting.

[Jack]

Sorry, I must have misinterpreted something w/r/t you and fugitive.

What do you mean by "hmmm" in the above?

Hmmm as in Pie's post is pretty interesting.

ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?

[Friend]

Interesting is even more vague.