Mini 1012: Mafia In Soraville (Game Over!)

[DemonHybrid]

unvote, vote:Inflatable Pie

Stay on v/la kthx

I'm not giving out my town reads, but I would like to nominate DemonHybrid for scum godfather. Will you be willing to bet that? I would, at the most.

Vote: DemonHybrid

Backtracking, getting nervous too quickly, diverting attention, and just being too vague.

And hey! Jack's latest post has content! But he's not on v/la! Oh well!

FoS: Jack

Other scum reads: Jack
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Actually, I quite like the reactions I myself am getting.

Fugitive, what do you mean by reaction test? Do you know something about Pie, or are you talking about my reaction to you thinking that I was town?

[Friend]

Actually, I quite like the reactions I myself am getting.

Elaborate on this.

@TheLonging, why scum godfather specifically?

Jack's play, while it is irksome, isn't necessarily scummy IMO.

Twomz, why do you think DH is town?

[TheLonging]

I don't know, just at best (maybe he's scum trying to play bad so that if he doesn't get lynched today, when he gets investigated (if there is such a role) he'll turn up innocent and people will be less suspicious of him?). I am strongly of the belief he is scum, but maybe godfather (Hey I've seen that type of play before) or regular goon?

[DemonHybrid]

Actually, I quite like the reactions I myself am getting.

Elaborate on this.

@TheLonging, why scum godfather specifically?

Jack's play, while it is irksome, isn't necessarily scummy IMO.

Twomz, why do you think DH is town?

Here, I'll elaborate right now.

Scum list ahoy. I'm pretty close to a lynch, so if you want me to claim, then ask, but give me time to reply. I have work in an hour till 6 EST.

I think Jack is town at this point. A good right off the bat gambit, and I wanted to see what I could do with it. I attracted Friend, ran with it with as long as I could, then realized that I did all I can with his gambit. His play the last 2 pages has been weird, especially with the OMGUS FoS on twomz, but I think that's just to get a reaction.

I think Friend is town at this point, I like the reactions that our fighting has gained from other people. At first I thought he was scum when he voted for me, but over the course of our fighting, I found the reactions of other people scummier than Friend's defenses, although he's slipped a couple of times, but that might have just been the heat of the argument.

I think Pie is scum. I don't like his response (the one where I said it was interesting) at all, and it seems like he just wanted to capitalize on a losing argument. He slips up a bit on thinking that I was suspecting him. He deflects it with an "Oh, I mustve misread..." statement. I don't like it.

I think Fugitive is neutral-townish at this point, but I have a feeling he knows -something- about Pie. Call it a hunch.

I have a big feeling TheLonging is scum even more so than Pie. His vote is very fleeting, agreeable and bandwagony, as well as diverting attention away from his vote by focusing on Jack as well. Easy targeting.

Kov might be scum. I get a lurky feeling from him, as well as passive play...there's always a lurky scum. I have a feeling he's just waiting for everything to blow over because he doesn't know what to say...perhaps he's not too experienced (see his MafiaScum site history, he joined a few days ago)

Everyone else is neutral or town either by lack of posting (not exactly lurky, like as if they're busy) or by pro-townish behavior.

Peoples' reactions have given me a concrete scumlist. I would recommend to take a closer look at these people (Kov, TL, IP, maybe Fugitive) after I die and hopefully some good information can come from my death.

[DemonHybrid]

I'll get the ball rolling on Kov, here.

Unvote, Vote: Kov

[Friend]

Demon, you might as well admit now that you didn't try and make a gambit of your own by "falling" for Jack's gambit.

However, my feelings on you are sliightly improving.

Why did you pick Kov over your other scum picks?

[DemonHybrid]

Demon, you might as well admit now that you didn't try and make a gambit of your own by "falling" for Jack's gambit.

However, my feelings on you are sliightly improving.

Why did you pick Kov over your other scum picks?

I'd like to see if his inexperience shines through. I know TL and IP from past games...I'd much rather target the weak link.

[TheLonging]

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0/10, good try though

Also, divert attention my ass, I'm listing my scum reads! Dohoho. You're calling me scum for all the wrong reasons. I'm now BWing shit, I'm only agreeing with myself, and I have no clue what fleeting means. Those 2 "scumtells" you listed aren't scumtells in actuality. I'll bite. How am I diverting attention away from me voting you by listing other scum reads? I didn't know we weren't supposed to give out scum reads, and only stick one at a time.

[DemonHybrid]

>Meta>Meta
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0/10, good try though

Also, divert attention my ass, I'm listing my scum reads! Dohoho. You're calling me scum for all the wrong reasons. I'm now BWing shit, I'm only agreeing with myself, and I have no clue what fleeting means. Those 2 "scumtells" you listed aren't scumtells in actuality. I'll bite. How am I diverting attention away from me voting you by listing other scum reads? I didn't know we weren't supposed to give out scum reads, and only stick one at a time.

Holy flailing Magikarps, Batman!

Fleeting: You voted for me with an extremely brief response, then diverted attention away from it with your FoS on Jack. Fleeting means lasting for a very brief time.

[DemonHybrid]

How am I diverting attention away from me voting you by listing other scum reads? I didn't know we weren't supposed to give out scum reads, and only stick one at a time.

I also didn't know that I wasn't allowed to find that scummy.

[Friend]

>Meta>Meta
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0/10, good try though

Also, divert attention my ass, I'm listing my scum reads! Dohoho. You're calling me scum for all the wrong reasons. I'm now BWing shit, I'm only agreeing with myself, and I have no clue what fleeting means. Those 2 "scumtells" you listed aren't scumtells in actuality. I'll bite. How am I diverting attention away from me voting you by listing other scum reads? I didn't know we weren't supposed to give out scum reads, and only stick one at a time.

How are any of those reads meta?

You're getting way overdefensive.

Enough for an:
UNVOTE: DemonHybrid
VOTE: TheLonging

[TheLonging]

Demon, you might as well admit now that you didn't try and make a gambit of your own by "falling" for Jack's gambit.

However, my feelings on you are sliightly improving.

Why did you pick Kov over your other scum picks?

I'd like to see if his inexperience shines through. I know TL and IP from past games...I'd much rather target the weak link.

He knows my meta, and says based off of that I am scum. Pretty obvious implications there.

DH: So anytime people list more than 1 scum read, I expect you to find that scummy, seeing as you just said that. Any less than that and it's an obvious double standard on your part.

[Twomz]

and I have no clue what fleeting means.

It allows units to run and assault in the same phase. (example: genestealers, harlequines, ect)

@ Friend: Although it's usually hard to tell, a lot of the time I get town feelings from different fights (this is not a 100% town tell at all, just a feeling).

I don't know if TheLonging is more overdefensive or if it's... AtE? (never used that before, not sure on it), but worth investigating further.

[TheLonging]

If it was AtE I'd be much more passive

[Friend]

I have a big feeling TheLonging is scum even more so than Pie. His vote is very fleeting, agreeable and bandwagony, as well as diverting attention away from his vote by focusing on Jack as well. Easy targeting.

HOW IN THE HELL IS THAT META.

@Twomz: I'm not sure if it's AtE, what TheLonging is doing. AtE is more like "you guys are gonna regret it if you lynch me" or "I'm town, that's all I can say, I guess you guys are just going to lynch me anyways." Stuff like that if you get the gist of it. TheLonging's not doing that - once one person calls him scum he's being way too quick to get angry about it.

[Twomz]

Hmm >.> guess I had it wrong. Eh, I usually don't consider normal 'tells' besides a few old ones.

[TheLonging]

Friend: Not THAT post, the post I quoted.

[Jack]

fos:the longing

DH seems townie.

My twomz fos wasn't omgus like I said twice.

[TheLonging]

is that an omgus fos on me jack? I love you too, just don't let your ego get in the way, kinda like when I pinpointed you and Soc as scum in that marathon game

[Jack]

fos: DemonHybrid
fos: Fugitive
fos:TheLonging
fos: Haschel Cedricson
fos:Twomz
fos: Jack
fos:Kov
fos:InflatablePie
fos:ManfredvonKarma
fos:Friend
fos: ready2rock
fos: esuriospiritus

If any of these people suspect me later in the game, it's omgus.

[TheLonging]

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You just can't provide reasoning for your FoS... hell you haven't done that for any other vote/fos. Oh well.

[Jack]

Reasoning is an illusion.

[Friend]

Friend: Not THAT post, the post I quoted.

Then why did you toss away his accusations of you as "meta"?

[TheLonging]

Because the 2nd post basically implies "Oh look his meta is to not do these things, he's much more calm as town, he must be scum!"

[Friend]

I don't think so at all. Here's the post you were referring to:

Demon, you might as well admit now that you didn't try and make a gambit of your own by "falling" for Jack's gambit.

However, my feelings on you are sliightly improving.

Why did you pick Kov over your other scum picks?

I'd like to see if his inexperience shines through. I know TL and IP from past games...I'd much rather target the weak link.

I asked him about Kov. That was the answer he gave. Nothing about your meta, just about wanting to see if Kov would crack under the pressure, being an inexperienced player.

This was his case against you:

I have a big feeling TheLonging is scum even more so than Pie. His vote is very fleeting, agreeable and bandwagony, as well as diverting attention away from his vote by focusing on Jack as well. Easy targeting.

Nowhere did he ever mention that you're playing against your town meta. Ever.

Therefore your response of "well that's meta and meta's useless" is completely unacceptable.