Mini 1012: Mafia In Soraville (Game Over!)

[TheLonging]

"I know TL and IP from past games"

You honestly think that doesn't refer to meta at all?

[Friend]

Not in the way you're making it look like.

You're saying Demon said "TL is calmer as town, he's being defensive, therefore he's scum." Nowhere was that said or even insinuated. Just that you were being overdefensive (you were) and that in itself is scummy.

[Fugitive]

The reaction test was on you DH.

I know nothing about Pie's alignment or role.

[esuriospiritus]

I leave for work in like three minutes so I have no time here, but I thought I'd pop in and mention that I agree with the sentiment that TL is majorly overreacting.

FOS: TL

Also, Jack won the thread with his #169. Regardless of his actual win condition, he's already won this game in my book.

[TheLonging]

esii (that's what I am calling you now) says I am mjaorly overreacting, he agrees with people, yet only uses a FoS. hmmmmmmmm. Do you find DH more scummy than I now?

[Friend]

TheLonging's just turning suspicion away from himself and ignoring my 176.

[TheLonging]

Friend, it was implied though. I can't have been the only one to see the implications of that.

[Friend]

HOW DOES "I'VE PLAYED GAMES WITH TL BEFORE" = TL IS SCUM BECAUSE OF META

[TheLonging]

Make the connection. He's calling me out based on certain stuff that's hardly scumtells on their own, then says "oh I've played games before with TL + Pie", which implies some sort of meta backup reasoning (and he's also suspicions of Pie IIRC). Yes, it's not that good of a counter-argument, but the implication is THERE. It makes the best sense in context. He's also played with uh, Fugitive, MvK, and r2r, but you don't see him saying "I've played with them before", do you?

[Friend]

Those things

are

scumtells, though.

You're stretching to make a connection that disproves his argument because you don't want to defend it on your own.

[Kov]

Kov might be scum. I get a lurky feeling from him, as well as passive play...there's always a lurky scum. I have a feeling he's just waiting for everything to blow over because he doesn't know what to say...perhaps he's not too experienced (see his MafiaScum site history, he joined a few days ago)

Your calling me lurky Day 2 im in the UK the whole topic did 6 pages in one night for me...
I'm not waiting for anything to "blow over". And yes I really don't know what to say except, that I think Jack's play style seems like it will hurt town.

My only other thought is that Friend is town he seem's to be arguing everything which seems pro town to me.

Any more questions?

Oh, And Twomz Black Templars Ftw

[TheLonging]

When was listing more than one scumread a scumtell?
When was BWing a scum tell? At this point, I've seen so many scum never BW, I'm ready to call not joining a lynch a scumtell.

[Friend]

It was more about the easy targeting and overdefensiveness, IMO.

[TheLonging]

I can see more than one reason why someone would be over-defensive. I refuse to be any less to anyone else. Easy targeting? OK, me thinking DH was scum and me putting an FoS on Jack is easy targeting. Whatever you say chief.

[InflatablePie]

TL, I know you have a bit of a temper/get a little carried away sometimes, but something about it this time seems... off.

Did anyone else notice this besides Friend? In the post where TL puts Demon at L-2:

I'm not giving out my town reads, but I would like to nominate DemonHybrid for scum godfather. Will you be willing to bet that? I would, at the most.

Does anyone see anything wrong with this? I do.

He "elaborates" here:

I don't know, just at best (maybe he's scum trying to play bad so that if he doesn't get lynched today, when he gets investigated (if there is such a role) he'll turn up innocent and people will be less suspicious of him?). I am strongly of the belief he is scum, but maybe godfather (Hey I've seen that type of play before) or regular goon?

...and starts discussing the possibilities of goons and 'scanners' (cop, etc.). Dunno bout you guys, but this kind of setup speculation early D1 = scummy to me. Possible rolefishing mentioning a cop and only mafia know for sure what roles they have.

Unvote, Vote: TL

Then there's him casting suspicion on anyone that suspects him, such as Jack (who I wouldn't mind a lynch of either at this point) or esurio, which doesn't make him seem any more townie.

Demon, you might as well admit now that you didn't try and make a gambit of your own by "falling" for Jack's gambit.

However, my feelings on you are sliightly improving.

Why did you pick Kov over your other scum picks?

I'd like to see if his inexperience shines through. I know TL and IP from past games...I'd much rather target the weak link.

Protip: Voting for pressure doesn't work when you reveal you're voting for pressure, y'know.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm being honest, Pie. Not going to sit back and have people question why I picked the lesser suspicion here. Plus, I wanted to see what he has to say.

To Kov: What do you think about TheLonging? Is he scum, town? What about his reaction to my scumlist? Curiosity.

[DemonHybrid]

The reaction test was on you DH.

I know nothing about Pie's alignment or role.

Fair enough, I believe it.

[Friend]

IP, what is your case on Jack?

[InflatablePie]

IP, what is your case on Jack?

He's just playing extremely anti-town, although obviously, and at this point if he's going to barely contribute while being blatantly anti-town, I think a policy lynch is in order.

[Jack]

[quote=Pie]Dunno bout you guys[/quote]

Evidently.

[Fugitive]

awww, Pie is scum this game.

[Fugitive]

EBWOP: I'm more sure of Pie than DH, so...

unvote, Vote: InflatablePie

[Friend]

Yeah, that policy lynching talk is scummy.

UNVOTE: TheLonging
VOTE: InflatablePie

I still really dislike TheLonging though.

[DemonHybrid]

Don't worry, they're buddies.

[InflatablePie]

So if someone's being anti-town on purpose and not contributing to discussion at all, essentially active lurking... we're just going to ignore him and let him continue doing so? Instead of lynching this person, who is acting scummy? Makes perfect sense.