Newbie 960 - Game Over

[andrew94]

Oh, yeah. What's this NK WIFOM and NK analysis you were on about? I'm still interested.

In the meantime... I'll probably look into the case on IAI. I'm going to give it a few hours before I start, though, because if scum quick hammers, I'd have wasted my effort.

do u mean quickhammer you or iai. becos if its iai its not a waste of ur 'effort'
and it cant be you cos ur fcking wolf

[Equinox]

People are not online. The only people around now are you, me, and Nikanor. Everyone else is "AFK." Are you going to rule everything out just because Nikanor did not hammer me?

Well, see, now you have a case. Why did you not say that before?

I will ask you. If you are a wolf, andrew94, picking someone to target, would you bother looking them up before killing them? It takes a lot of effort. Wolves already know what everyone is, so they do not need to do this research.

Now, there is no way to prove this, but I looked it up after Nikanor announced s/he was using NK analysis. Take that however you like. Remember to look up Ockham's Razor, too.

Oh, andrew94, andrew94, andrew94. Why am I even arguing this with you? You're hell-bent on me being scum. I should have lynched you on Day 1.

[andrew94]

i have absoulting no proof that you are not wolf ok?theres 4 other ppl so theres 50% chance im right.
with your sus votes and unvotes that increases it to 75%
when u said u should ahve lynched me on day 1 thats 90% now
and I KNOW YOUR THE KIND OF PERSON THAT DOES THE RESEARCH

even if they dont do the research and you only did the reserach after nikanor announced he was using nk analysis, it would either be nikanor wolf or the wolves just randomly killing someone right..... (tell me if u agree on this or not)
ur implying that theres a bigger chance nikanor killed jason then some random person killing another random person(jason)
i was just thinking it was an extremely good wolf proposal when you went ahead and unvoted


there we go.
voting and unvoting very fast when ppl are afk is JUST LIKE FOS
U DONT WANT UR BUDDY TO GET VOTED OUT SO U UNVOTED HIM WHEN HE MADE A RESPONSE.
its that or you just saw no1 bandwagoned and quit the case

either way gg for u

[andrew94]

p.s. whats ockhams razor

[Equinox]

and I KNOW YOUR THE KIND OF PERSON THAT DOES THE RESEARCH

You do not know me, andrew94. You have never played in a game with me. If this is what you based your attack on, you have absolutely no basis.

even if they dont do the research and you only did the reserach after nikanor announced he was using nk analysis, it would either be nikanor wolf or the wolves just randomly killing someone right..... (tell me if u agree on this or not)

Yes. That is the foundation of my case against Nikanor.

U DONT WANT UR BUDDY TO GET VOTED OUT SO U UNVOTED HIM WHEN HE MADE A RESPONSE.

I don't think you understand the situation, so I will explain why I unvoted. I would not have unvoted if the situation were not as dire.

We have 5 players, 3 to lynch.

2 mafia
3 town

Now, I may not believe that Nikanor is town, but I am not 100% certain -- I am not the cop, and there is no way for me to be sure of anything. Same goes for you. If Nikanor is town, the following will happen:

1 town vote + 2 mafia quick hammer = lynch

The same will happen with your vote, as I am town. There is no way for you to know this, and there is no reason for you to trust me. I'll leave it at that.

Before you say, "nobody hammered, so Equinox is wolf," nobody else is online. Come back in a few hours and you shall see. I am not going to ask you to unvote. After all, for all you know, I am the wolf, so that's not what you're going to do. What I am going to ask you to do is come back tomorrow.

If you're wolf, then all this is moot.

I am not going to vote until I am done reading I Am Innocent's posts. Netopalis, who was town, had strong suspicions on that slot, and I am going to investigate.

What you do is your business. Good luck.

[Equinox]

p.s. whats ockhams razor

This or this, pick one.

[Nikanor]

My line of thought was something like:
Nikanor was suspicious of Sotty and IAI, Equinox was suspicious of Nikanor, andrew was suspicious of Equinox, IAI was suspicious of nobody and Locke was suspicious of Equinox.
A jason kill there makes no sense from you since a wildcard would be more beneficial than what we have now.
I think andrew is town and I know I'm town, so voila.

[andrew94]

My line of thought was something like:
Nikanor was suspicious of Sotty and IAI, Equinox was suspicious of Nikanor, andrew was suspicious of Equinox, IAI was suspicious of nobody and Locke was suspicious of Equinox.
A jason kill there makes no sense from you since a wildcard would be more beneficial than what we have now.
I think andrew is town and I know I'm town, so voila.

the only way u can confirm that i am town is if you are wolf!

[Equinox]

That's better. It doesn't change the fact that jasonT1981 has significant scum meta on you... :/

I am willing to compromise on someone else, if time elapses and nothing happens. Time for me to do the digging I should have done on Day 2.

EBWOPreview: My, my, that was... unexpected of you, andrew94. I do not know what to say.

[andrew94]

Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor[1]) is the principle that "entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity" (entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem). The popular interpretation of this principle is that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. However, this is often confused, as the 'simple' "is really referring to the theory with the fewest new assumptions." [2]


what was unexpected

[Equinox]

Your accusation of Nikanor. It came out of nowhere.

[andrew94]

i accuse everyone

[andrew94]

lol nicolbolas is browsing this topic. definitely an alias of nikar

[Nikanor]

While I am browsing this topic, I am doing so under the name Nikanor.

It doesn't change the fact that jasonT1981 has significant scum meta on you...

So does Neto. So does Locke.

[andrew94]

unvote

in case im wrong

[Equinox]

So does Neto. So does Locke.

Netopalis flipped town, so that's irrelevant.

Hmm... Locke Lamora has your scum meta? That changes things. That makes the NK a roulette.

Slightly less suspicious, a bit more willing to compromise. 101 posts, here I come!

[andrew94]

mmind telling me whats scum meta

[Equinox]

"Meta" is the word we like to use when we're talking about using information outside of the game to influence our decisions. I was referring to jasonT1981 and Locke Lamora having information about how Nikanor plays scum/wolf, hence "scum meta."

[Equinox]

ARGH.

So, I finished reading I Am Innocent's 101 posts. The problem I'm having now is my read on him is shaky. I

still

have a town read on him, but these cases people are making or have made (Locke Lamora, Netopalis, Nikanor, to some limited extent Sotty7) place a paranoia stamp on it. I will need to look them up, look at IAI's responses, and then shoot my brains out for sheer frustration.

I said earlier I was willing to compromise by moving to IAI if my read produced anything, but it hasn't, so... no.

Further, reading IAI's posts reminded me of the situation on Day 2, which got me to peg ToG as more scummy than he was before. I need to look at that, too. mb53 was fine-ish, early ToG was fine-ish, and then the later ToG actively lurked. Nikanor... is difficult. My experience with someone supposedly playing by gut (Ellibereth) has me quite wary. On the other hand, Nikanor has funny reactions. Bleeeehhhh.

Not sure what to make of either NomDePlume or Locke Lamora... erk. I also need to verify that Locke Lamora has had history with Nikanor as Nikanor claims.

In this post, Equinox makes some onomatopoeia and waffles.

[andrew94]

let us be reminded that locke hammered

[andrew94]

nice ppl pretend afk

[Nikanor]

Equinox: My first scum game.
Locke replaced in on day three as my scumbuddy.

[andrew94]

the requested topic cannot be found

[andrew94]

locke and iai u have 12 hours to say something

[Equinox]

locke and iai u have 12 hours to say something

Patience, andrew94. We have at least two weeks left to decide, and we're in a win-or-lose situation right now. This requires a lot of time.