Last Will Mafia II (Over)

[Kmd4390]

Yeah, I may not be very active the next few days. I work 37.5 hours between today, tomorrow, and Monday.

[holycon]

Holycon

Seems to be trying to pretend to scumhunt, but not really doing much of anything. I don’t like

her

much either

I"m pretending to scum hunt how so?

Read your ISO, you'll see what I mean, I'd post the whole case and all but my internet is really failing and I don't know how much time I have to type this up.

I don't see anything wrong with how Ive gone about granted I'm not as active as some but when I do post i try to make it substance so unless you can give me some examples of my "pretend" scum hunting i'm just going to chalk it up to you just not liking me and trying to find a reason for it.

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

@millar13: Why did you feel that it was necessary to unvote? You've never put a vote on anyone ToDay. Furthermore, who do you suspect and why?

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Rage quits are scummy, I will admit that. However, that doesn't always mean I'm going to switch my vote in that instance. I will need to see if RichardGHP comes back and becomes even scummier/successor is scummier before throwing down a vote.

You ask him why he didn't, then go, oh but you shouldn't, but really you can. You cover all your bases. And you still ask him to claim.

I didn't say he shouldn't role claim, just said it wasn't a good idea. I also did not ask him to claim at all, I just said if he wanted to claim, he could. I would never ask a person to claim where he was at.

So do you follow the crowd all the time or just in mafia?

I do not just follow the crowd in Mafia. For example, I put forth a solid case against animorpherv1 and was the first person to bring his scumminess to attention. I am not a sheep.

then why didn't you correct it? You saying that caused a lot of people to rush unnecessarily and lost town information IMHO

This is because Shattered Viewpoint already did that for me near the end of Day 1 before he got lynched.

Yeah, but it seems to me like you don't suspect someone until there's already a decent amount of suspicion on them.

As said above, I do not always follow the crowd. My case on animorpherv1 is an example. I was the very first person to suspect him and now he is starting to get the attention he deserves.

[Xite91]

You ask him why he didn't, then go, oh but you shouldn't, but really you can. You cover all your bases. And you still ask him to claim.

I didn't say he shouldn't role claim, just said it wasn't a good idea. I also did not ask him to claim at all, I just said if he wanted to claim, he could. I would never ask a person to claim where he was at.

Yeah, but it seems to me like you don't suspect someone until there's already a decent amount of suspicion on them.

As said above, I do not always follow the crowd. My case on animorpherv1 is an example. I was the very first person to suspect him and now he is starting to get the attention he deserves.

First quote. You asked him "Why don't you" IIRC which could be considered a push to have him claim, and then if anyone asked about it, you had all of your bases covered to say that you weren't pushing for him to if/when he did.

Second. Uhm there actually were points made on him/suspicions cast;

lol you change it after you get called out on it? Riiiiiiight.

what he said.

Can I have a better explanation than "what he said" two posts in a row???
kthnx

This is you before everything (except the one I already posted ^)

I'm going to say that there are scums on the Shattered Viewpoint bandwagon. My suggestion is that we look at the last five people on his bandwagon. People should note that on the last day of Day 1, the bandwagon shifted furiously to him, eventually getting him lynched without giving Shattered Viewpoint the oppertunity to claim.

As for my scum reads, they are the following:
chronopie
CSL
RichardGHP
millar13

One of these four should be lynched ToDay. I'll also look very closely at raider8169 to see if he's another worthy lynch candidate, although he has been improving.

I'll look at my four suspect's ISO to see where my vote will go ToDay.

then

Ok, I need to look at this game pretty closely when I can. Not sure why Elli gave his vote to Twomz, but meh. I'm assuming multiple scum on the Shattered wagon. Curious why Smash Bros said the same thing, but only one of his four suspects was on that wagon. Between Amished/Twomz/Ani/Pittbunny, we'll probably net 2 or 3 scum. I'd bet money (or my avatar) on this. Then again, FL has first dibs at my avatar if he's ever around.

Ythan also grilled him a bit.

then you make the post with this in it

I nagree partially, but it is always better to have a lynch, information wise. When I noticed CSL lynch was going nowhere, I deicded to get the lynch going.

We had at least three more days left to decide on a lynch, so there was time for you to help town convince that CSL should be lynched Yesterday. Also, did you suspect Shattered Viewpoint at all. If so, why didn't you explain why you thought he was a good alternate lynch to CSL?

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animorpherv1:

I'm getting a very bad vibe from animorpherv1. He didn't really do much Day 1 that helped the town. His vote for CSL at ISO: 7 lacked original thoughts, basically saying he agreed with other people. Now look closer at ISO: 10. He deliberately stated that he would vote raider8169 if the bandwagon got enough votes. He was basically saying "I'll bandwagon raider8169 without good reasons if it gets enough vote! ISO: 11 is unexplained bandwagoning on Shattered Viewpoint. He never put any previous explanation on why Shattered Viewpoint could be scum, instead, went with the "His lynch is better then a no lynch!" excuse, which is crap.

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HoS: animorpherv1

By the way, where did that case go?

[Xite91]

EBWOP
Holy, I'll get back to you later (I'm running out the door to the airport in 5)

[Kmd4390]

Since when is ragequitting scummy?

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

Since when is ragequitting scummy?

Occasionally, scums will resort to rage quitting the because they are under tons of pressure. Townies have no reasons to do this, but scums do because one of their main goals is to avoid suspicion.

Look at Mini 958: Another Mafia Problem, my third game on the site as a great example. MafiaSSK raged quit while under pressure. He was scum.

[Ythan]

The sort of player who will quit under pressure has just as much reason to do so as town.

[Ythan]

And you just provided a COMPLETELY irrelevant example of another player who is not even in this game doing it. You really reached to support this didn't you?

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

The sort of player who will quit under pressure has just as much reason to do so as town.

How so? Town's goal is to elminate scums, so they should not be afraid of being pressured. It would be absolutely illogical for a townie to quit because they're under high pressure. Provide me an example that doesn't have to do with real life issue, flaking out, or joining too many games at one time.

And you just provided a COMPLETELY irrelevant example of another player who is not even in this game doing it. You really reached to support this didn't you?

Both players are semi-infamous for there less then adequate play style. Both players quit under pressure from the town. MafiaSSK from Mini 958 was scum, so this should support evidence that RichardGHP is more likely then not scum. What I just did was use meta from past games to support my argument here.

[CSL]

V/LA from playing until my head clears

[Ythan]

Point one, townies do this plenty often. You should spend some time in the newbie queue. And, I know you're new to the site, but it's quite unbelievable that you're attempting to make this distinction.

Point two, no, it's completely irrelevant. You're using player B meta to justify an attack on player A. This is deplorably wrong.

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

Point one, townies do this plenty often. You should spend some time in the newbie queue. And, I know you're new to the site, but it's quite unbelievable that you're attempting to make this distinction.

What does that say for RichardGHP? He's been on the site for around seven months, that does not indicate anything for him.

[Ythan]

I'm not talking about Richard. It's not only newbies that replace out under pressure. I said that because it's much more common there. Both points still stand.

[Twomz]

I assume it happens on both sides. It's the sign of a bad player, not a scumtell. That said, I agree with many of the scum thoughts against richard and have posted my own.

For the sake of moving the game along

unvote x2, vote: richard x2

. If richard claims/calms down/starts posting helpfully I may move back to charlie.

[EGL]

Sorry I've been dealing with IRL drama related to work, including a candidate who is apparently bragging around town at how cheap he's paying all of us. The fucker.

[Chronopie]

mmm... cake.

Birthday Cake ftw, be back tomorrow.

[RichardGHP]

Mod: If you haven't found a replacement for me yet, hold fire. I might still be able and willing to play.

I am a CPR Doctor. I am like a regular doctor, with the exception that if I target someone who is not being killed, they die. It is for this reason that I didn't protect anyone last night. Not really sure if it's even worth keeping me around, since I'm likely to end up either killing townies or sitting on my butt doing nothing for most of the game. Do with the claim what you will.

[Ythan]

I assume it happens on both sides. It's the sign of a bad player, not a scumtell. That said, I agree with many of the scum thoughts against richard and have posted my own.

For the sake of moving the game along

unvote x2, vote: richard x2

. If richard claims/calms down/starts posting helpfully I may move back to charlie.

What do you think of Fan trying to paint it as a purely scum action?

[Nachomamma8]

@EGL: 2 had absolutely nothing to do with town reads. Why did you get this impression?

Also, you questioned KMD based on page 1 scum reads. And your fixation with town reads was scummy because you were more concerned with why people found other people town as opposed to why people found other people scum. You did this so you could see what people found as townie behavior, so you could replicate that as scum.

FYI: Posting a lot of useless crap in a row doesn't make you look any more town...

@Jah: Suspicions were opportunistic because your cases were on the flavors of the day, and you didn't provide a whole lot of new stuff.

SSBF is so conventional... it hurts my heart, honestly. Also, he's wrong.

Richard's not getting lynched today. Oh, and Rich? During the night, don't play like a doctor. Play like a vig

ALSO EGL IS SCUM AND ALL OF YOU SHOULD REALIZE THAT.

[Nachomamma8]

@Magua: Is your gut read on EGL strong enough where you would defend him if he was at L-2 right now? Also, what makes you say that Charlie is pushing EGL right now? He isn't voting him, he hasn't provided anything new about him...

KMD, your vote on Richard sucks. Just thought you should know.

[Twomz]

I assume it happens on both sides. It's the sign of a bad player, not a scumtell. That said, I agree with many of the scum thoughts against richard and have posted my own.

For the sake of moving the game along

unvote x2, vote: richard x2

. If richard claims/calms down/starts posting helpfully I may move back to charlie.

What do you think of Fan trying to paint it as a purely scum action?

Slight lean of scumtell, most any action can be done by town or scum (by 'most any' I mean I don't want to look for examples, but probably 'all'). But you see people say 'that's a scumtell, town wouldn't do that' when it's just bad play.

The claim is believable but also fakeable (oops, I killed ___ last night, guess no one tried to kill them)... although I agree w/ nacho that it's basically another vig for the town.

Unvote, vote: Charlie

for now. Anyone have any reason to doubt the claim or wants to continue with the Richard lynch? Or can we move on down the line?

[LlamaFluff]

RichardGHP has returned and will not be replaced

[Xite91]

Mod: If you haven't found a replacement for me yet, hold fire. I might still be able and willing to play.

I am a CPR Doctor. I am like a regular doctor, with the exception that if I target someone who is not being killed, they die. It is for this reason that I didn't protect anyone last night. Not really sure if it's even worth keeping me around, since I'm likely to end up either killing townies or sitting on my butt doing nothing for most of the game. Do with the claim what you will.

Kind of funny how you do the same thing that two other people did. Both of which had suspicion on them and both of which lost a lot of that suspicion when they came back. Also, I think the claim is a joke in the sense that it's practically you saying you have a kill to use. This might be a pretty concrete excuse for "accidentally" killing townies, if you weren't so scummy.

@Twomz IGMEOY

[Kmd4390]

Smash bras, how does ragequitting avoid suspicion? Being replaced makes it impossible to win regardless of alignment. You say it is illogical for town to ragequit. The same can be said for scum.