Just expressing the options.Fugitive wrote:EBWOP: What is it with everyone and claims? That's not the only form of defense. I don't care if Pie claims docDemonHybrid wrote:Well, he's L-2. We can wait for a claim or just go for it with the information we have.or cop
. He's still scum.
Heh, emoticons.
*headdesk*DemonHybrid wrote:EBWOP: Think of it this way:DemonHybrid wrote:Well, he's L-2. We can wait for a claim or just go for it with the information we have.
If Pie flips town, that's one mislynch (which happens nearly all the time anyway on D1). If he flips scum, that's one nearly-guaranteed scum in Kov who weakly slithered his way out of the conversation, and a big suspicion in TL who cracked and voted IP out of pressure, and that's a LOT to gain on Day 1 with such a small risk.
It's how I play on day 1. I never vote on day 1 unless I am pretty confident that someone is scum. You'll notice that, in the same way that I haven't called anyone scum and voted for them, I also have yet to call anyone town.Friend wrote:12 pages and you don't have reads enough for a vote?
It's not quite a tell, but he is acting strange. The last few games I've been in with him, he has either been extremely helpful and talkative (large game, about 20+ people) or has been kind of scummy via tunneling on people (11 or less player games) as town. This time, he's giving off random reads while slightly tunneling on me. I don't recall seeing Fugi saying X is town/scum without giving SOME SORT of explanation. He's not quite scummy yet, just... weird.esuriospiritus wrote:Unless you've been in games with him where he was scum and he was like this, it's not a tell. And even then, I wouldn't call it a sure thing, as people's metas can change.especially with Fugitive as I've been in many games with him and have never seen him play like that.
Jack's being anti-town on purpose. I think this is scummy. I have said this before. Fugi is more of a nulltell I admit, but weird to me (see: above).Friend wrote:@Pie: Do you find what Jack and Fugitive are doing scummy inherently? Why or why not?
Fugitive wrote:EBWOP: OH, Pie lying about my meta noted also. He's definitely scum.
Do I need to explain how this is a bad vote? Comes with seemingly no reasoning other than to jump on a wagon. Keep in mind that I find TL suspicious already and even have a vote on him.TheLonging wrote:Unvote
Vote: InflatablePie.
This is terrible logic as well. It's okay to lynch townies, guys, it's just D1 and statisctically happens anyway! No. Just... no.DemonHybrid wrote:If Pie flips town, that's one mislynch (which happens nearly all the time anyway on D1).
Because I found their "defenses" of you or their reasons not to vote adequate. Not much more needs to be said about that.InflatablePie wrote:I'd like to note here that Fugi suspects Twomz/r2r (finding esurio misguided) for "defending" me/being opposed to my lynch, but does not comment on Kov or MvK at all. Kov in particular stands out to me, because he's used odd logic when talking about how he's opposed to my lynch, yet Fugi hasn't commented on him at all.
You think we're scumbuddies anyways, why make up shit like that? I joined the BW because I thought it would be fun and any effort whatsoever to try and lynch you at this point is utterly useless. No one will see it. r2r is also useless, but we can lynch that scum another day. BTW if Pie flips scum, r2r goes tomorrow. If Pie flips town, DH goes tomorrow.DemonHybrid wrote:EBWOP: Think of it this way:DemonHybrid wrote:Well, he's L-2. We can wait for a claim or just go for it with the information we have.
If Pie flips town, that's one mislynch (which happens nearly all the time anyway on D1). If he flips scum, that's one nearly-guaranteed scum in Kov who weakly slithered his way out of the conversation, and a big suspicion in TL who cracked and voted IP out of pressure, and that's a LOT to gain on Day 1 with such a small risk.
I will agree with you on one thing: r2r is in the same boat as Kov at this point in time, making him the 4th scummiest on my list.TheLonging wrote:You think we're scumbuddies anyways, why make up shit like that? I joined the BW because I thought it would be fun and any effort whatsoever to try and lynch you at this point is utterly useless. No one will see it. r2r is also useless, but we can lynch that scum another day. BTW if Pie flips scum, r2r goes tomorrow. If Pie flips town, DH goes tomorrow.DemonHybrid wrote:EBWOP: Think of it this way:DemonHybrid wrote:Well, he's L-2. We can wait for a claim or just go for it with the information we have.
If Pie flips town, that's one mislynch (which happens nearly all the time anyway on D1). If he flips scum, that's one nearly-guaranteed scum in Kov who weakly slithered his way out of the conversation, and a big suspicion in TL who cracked and voted IP out of pressure, and that's a LOT to gain on Day 1 with such a small risk.
Also DH, I'm saying what I said in my last post because I went away in a game for a short V/LA, and I was at L-1. I do it as a precaution when I leave for longer times than expected (I actually thought I'd be back around 5:00 PM, but nope).
Oh, and BTW? I can't defend my change in playstyle. I doubt I've been over the top like this before, and I'm just going to post useless crap until I see my way with DH. I could actually try, but what's the point? I do have a spleen, liver, and intestine I need to pour on him after all.
This doesn't sit right with me. You don't lose town points, but be really careful when making an argument like this based -solely- on meta. It can give off the wrong reads sometimes, and isn't conductive to a good argument.Jack wrote:esurio have a look at pie's scum meta:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 28&start=0
Actually, point completely missed. I'm saying that if we lynch you and you -happen- to be town, that's a small risk compared to gaining a ton of information on your scum flip (like Kov and r2r acting weird about lynching you, TL trying to bus you, etc)InflatablePie wrote:This is terrible logic as well. It's okay to lynch townies, guys, it's just D1 and statisctically happens anyway! No. Just... no.DemonHybrid wrote:If Pie flips town, that's one mislynch (which happens nearly all the time anyway on D1).
it's a counter to esurios "scum wouldn't make arguments early d1" stuffDemonHybrid wrote:This doesn't sit right with me. You don't lose town points, but be really careful when making an argument like this based -solely- on meta. It can give off the wrong reads sometimes, and isn't conductive to a good argument.Jack wrote:esurio have a look at pie's scum meta:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 28&start=0
BTW if Pie flips scum, r2r goes tomorrow. If Pie flips town, DH goes tomorrow.