Mini 1012: Mafia In Soraville (Game Over!)

[esuriospiritus]

@Friend ...Oh. Well that's kind of useless. Seconding the "give us your top suspects plox" sentiment @IP.

TL... BAAAAAAAAAAD. You are telling scum

exactly

who they should keep alive, because you want to lynch them next.

[TheLonging]

What if they are scum?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Hey guys, sorry about my absence. I was dogsitting for my parents, and apparently they no longer have Internet access at their house.

I think they deliberately waited until I was already there to let me know about it. I'll read what I missed and post later tonight or early tomorrow.

[Friend]

Good to have you back, Haschel.

[Twomz]

I hate planned lynches as well. "If A flips scum, then B is probably (not) his buddy" is acceptable, "If A flips scum then we lynch B" is not.

[TheLonging]

Oh, they're different? I always played thinking those two were the same.

[Twomz]

Saying someone is probably someone elses scum buddy is linking them together, of course if we think someone is someone elses scum buddy we will try to lynch them, but it's not the same as 'if A is scum lynch B'. No telling what will happen that night or the next day, better to just connect the dots as we go along.

[InflatablePie]

Top 5 suspects: TL, Jack, Kov, Fugitive, r2r.

TL for that setup speculation and overdefensiveness.
Jack for being purposely anti-town. I realize that he has been posting slightly better since his vote has been on me, although some of his posts still just read odd to me.
Kov for his fencesitting-ish post about me way back there.
Fugitive simply for having a different attitude this game, to be honest. Definitely not high up on my scumlist, but I'm keeping an eye out.
r2r is just a gut feeling / process of elimination from some people I find to be leaning town ATM.

That order sounds about right.

[DemonHybrid]

Top 5 suspects: TL, Jack, Kov, Fugitive, r2r.

Kov for his fencesitting-ish post about me way back there.

Wow, what?

Where did this come from? It sounds rather familiar.

All of a sudden after so long, Kov is a suspect for the same reason I suspect him for (and after no one else said anything about him)

Or maybe I'm just letting my scum-list get to my head. But everyone else, tell me that I'm not crazy here.

[sorasgoof]

Vote count/prod check either tonight or tomorrow morning.

[TheLonging]

Pie: DH isn't on that scumlist

[Twomz]

Pie: DH isn't on that scumlist

That would imply that DH isn't one of Pie's top 5 scum choices.

[TheLonging]

I'm confused on the phrasing of that sentence, but if I'm reading it right, Pie doesn't have DH listed as a suspicion, so uh, yeah. That's his mistake.

[Friend]

Why do you find DH suspicious again?

[TheLonging]

What he did at the beginning of D1. He obviously is more pro-town now than he ever was before, but scum who turn pro-town are still scum, is he not? There's uh, pretty much whole cases back there.

[DemonHybrid]

Fugitive simply for having a different attitude this game, to be honest. Definitely not high up on my scumlist, but I'm keeping an eye out.

Also, lolmeta.

If you want to do the meta dance, then we can do the meta dance, just so I can put you in your place regarding meta. In my experience with Fugitive (skimming games that he's been in and playing with him), short, sarcastic and blunt responses means he has nothing to defend. He's been town in the games that I've seen when he's done this. When he posts very long, helpful, involved responses, he's been scum. Please correct me if I'm wrong, Fugitive.

This means ABSOLUTELY nothing regarding this game. He's neutral-town to me, emphasis on the neutral. Past games should mean -nothing-, if very little (like extremely obvious confirmed scum tells).

More people need to vote Pie. I hate hate hate hate hate your Kov suspicion because it feels like I'm looking into a mirror.

[TheLonging]

Fugitive meta is mixed up, THAT'S WHY WE DON'T RELY ON META

Pie meta is always the same to the untrained eye (aka me)

[Kov]

@IP:So why do you think I'm scum because I took a neutral stance? since when was that a scum tell?
@DH: You say he is agreeing with you but if I remember you seem to think we were scum buddies?
On iPhone would respond more otherwise

[DemonHybrid]

@IP:So why do you think I'm scum because I took a neutral stance? since when was that a scum tell?
@DH: You say he is agreeing with you but if I remember you seem to think we were scum buddies?
On iPhone would respond more otherwise

Agreeing with me on you being scum =/= you guys not being scum buddies at all.

Look up "bus" on the wiki. He took a completely agreeable and toned down stance on you to try to fit in (which is coincidentally, exactly my stance. Only the 2nd person to agree)

[DemonHybrid]

Agreeing with me on you being scum =/= you guys not being scum buddies at all.

EBWOP: Agreeing with me on you being scum could mean that you guys could be or could not be buddies.

Basically, I'm saying that him agreeing with me that you're scum and that you guys are buddies are not mutually exclusive.

[Friend]

Some good 'ol fashioned FriendReads:

Town

ManfredvonKarma
Fugitive
DemonHybrid

Neutral

esuriospiritus
Jack
Haschel Cedricson
Kov

Scum

ready2rock
Twomz
TheLonging
InflatablePie

Basically in that order from towniest to scummiest. Don't tell me making town-lists is anti-town. It's not.

So I'd be okay with a lynch of any of those 4 at the bottom, preferably IP or TL. I can't get a read on Jack. Twomz feels like he's playing everything too safe and trying to blend in. Same with r2r. Kov I'm not quiiite sure on yet either - getting some scummy vibes, but I haven't really read over a lot of his posts thoroughly. I'm fairly confident about those town reads. DH "falling" for the gambit in the early game was a little scummy but our ensuing argument made me get a warm townie feeling in my heart. MvK has done nothing but be pro-town. Fugitive, while posting little, feels town. Esurio is playing similarly to the way she played in our previous game in which she was scum - that's the only thing that's got me a little sketched out about her. Other than that she's been okay. Haschel's been too lurky (not his fault, I guess) for me to get a read on and his early-game posts fell smack-dab in the middle for me in terms of scumminess. I believe I've talked about both IP and TL already.

[Fugitive]

Fugitive simply for having a different attitude this game, to be honest. Definitely not high up on my scumlist, but I'm keeping an eye out.

Also, lolmeta.

If you want to do the meta dance, then we can do the meta dance, just so I can put you in your place regarding meta. In my experience with Fugitive (skimming games that he's been in and playing with him), short, sarcastic and blunt responses means he has nothing to defend. He's been town in the games that I've seen when he's done this. When he posts very long, helpful, involved responses, he's been scum. Please correct me if I'm wrong, Fugitive.

This means ABSOLUTELY nothing regarding this game. He's neutral-town to me, emphasis on the neutral. Past games should mean -nothing-, if very little (like extremely obvious confirmed scum tells).

More people need to vote Pie. I hate hate hate hate hate your Kov suspicion because it feels like I'm looking into a mirror.

Pretty much spot on. The fact that Pie has used meta against me as a reason for suspicion, placing me in this top 5 scum candidates should probably qualify for a policy lynch right there. Policy aside, he's likely scum, so he needs to be noosed up now.

Friend's reads are pretty much correct. Though I would change the placement of 3 people.

[Friend]

Who?

[Fugitive]

DemonHybrid, TheLonging, and Fugitive

[Friend]

So DH is scum, TL is town, and I'm just going to ignore that last part because it brings in way too much WIFOM?