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Post Post #475 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:47 pm

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Anon wrote:where does your neutral gropu end?
Why does it matter exactly where one begins and one ends? Surely you've had the feeling that someone is leaningX or leaningY. If they are above Neutral but close to it, they are leaning town. If they are below neutral but close to it, they're leaning scum. The closer they are to the poles, the stronger I feel about scum/town.

@Anon: I've fulfilled your request to the best of my ability. I don't know how better to answer your questions. I posted a massive catchup where I gave thorough reads/opinions of all the posts I felt needed attention drawn to them, and then at your request I provided a Town/Scum read with all the players. I seriously don't know what more you want from me.
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Post Post #476 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:48 pm

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LynchMePls wrote:
Anon wrote:Why being on both wagons means the player in question is scum?
Opportunistic scum is my thinking. I can certainly be wrong, was just worth taking a look at. The idea just came to me a few posts ago, so I figured I'd analyze it. What do you think about my analysis of just the TL wagon by itself?
I'd still like an answer to this.
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Post Post #477 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:19 pm

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If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.

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Post Post #478 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:27 pm

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Anon wrote:where does your neutral gropu end?
What is the benefit of asking for an entire list, let alone being so specific? Are you trying to make sure you don't have any suspicion on you so you can fly under the radar? In past games I've been in (which, truthfully, are limited), such a list is pretty much just a list for scum to go down killing without having to analyze things themselves.
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Post Post #479 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:32 pm

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Yes. There are pros and cons. That is not to say, necessarily, that making a list is inherently townie or scummy, though.
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Post Post #480 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:49 pm

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RC, PLEASE answer some of the questions asked of you when you comment next. It's rather obvious that you are just reading the post or two above yours whenever you post, and as has been said as nauseum before, it doesn't help at all. I don't buy the "I don't have time" excuse, as you obviously have lots of time to post fluff.

I will ask you again, and bold it to make sure you get it.
An answer to my question in 436, please? How does setup speculation, or any of your other posts, help us find scum with deadline approaching
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Post Post #481 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:29 pm

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It doesn't, necessarily, but it has quite a bit of potential, if players actually answer the questions.

My turn: How does
not voting
help us find scum with a deadline approaching?

I'm afraid I've got you there.
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Post Post #482 (ISO) » Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:23 am

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diginova wrote:
Anon wrote:where does your neutral gropu end?
What is the benefit of asking for an entire list, let alone being so specific? Are you trying to make sure you don't have any suspicion on you so you can fly under the radar?.
this is a silly statement

I still dont see the "catch" on Rhinox

and RC is still fucking useless.
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Post Post #483 (ISO) » Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:36 am

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@Anon: Not realizing who died N1 assumes that one didn't realize who died N1. Mafuyu submits the possibility of a scripted gambit. Assuming that scum play with their knowledge on their sleeve is not a good idea. Part of being scum is the manipulation of (or lack of) information. So perhaps it is a town tell, but Mafuyu isn't going to write Sharkfinn off just for that one tell. It certainly isn't enough for Mafuyu to unvote as of yet.

In addition, it seems like Anon is currently skirting through by simply asking many things of others (particularly the new player, but this can also include simple "Read me" posts rather than redistributing content) rather than posting comprehensive sums of text instead. Correct Mafuyu if this is incorrect.
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Post Post #484 (ISO) » Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:15 am

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Rhinox

On mobile phone, but I like Anon's reasons for Alphawolf/Rhinox scum. Lynchmepls is still prob scum, RC is null, empking is prob scum, anon/ckd are town. When I get back to a computer, I'll explain in greater detail why I feel this way.
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Post Post #485 (ISO) » Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:35 am

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@diginova: I still have issues with your actions on the RC wagon. An answer to this in particular, please:
I doubt it wrote:So you thought he was active-lurking scum all along? I don't get your immediate unvote, then. That you unvoted as soon as RC contributed suggests that you were just wagoning onto him so he would be forced to contribute, yet now you're saying he's scummy for active lurking? Why did you unvote your best suspect just because he made an ISO? Doesn't make much sense to me.
In general, I'm not a big fan of cases that rely heavily on stuff people who have been replaced have said/done. Posts from people who have been replaced would be a lot more valuable if we had a scum flip but as it is, I don't think LynchMePls is the way to go.

I like the case on Rhinox more. He has been dead weight so far, with questions that don't seem to lead anywhere and no strong opinions on anyone. With AW's play this makes me think Rhinox might be worth going after. Since some of the case on Rhinox relies on him being a strong town player I wouldn't mind a game example or two to look at, though.
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Post Post #486 (ISO) » Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:16 pm

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I like I doubt it's case against diginova. I would be down for a diginova lynch tomorrow. And yes, this is me, lining up lynches. BITE ME
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Post Post #487 (ISO) » Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:47 pm

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LynchMePls wrote:
Anon wrote:Why being on both wagons means the player in question is scum?
Opportunistic scum is my thinking. I can certainly be wrong, was just worth taking a look at. The idea just came to me a few posts ago, so I figured I'd analyze it. What do you think about my analysis of just the TL wagon by itself?
After reading all your indepth posts, you failed to mention why I am most scum. Additionally you claim that 2-3 of those that are both on your wagon as well as TL's are scum. What makes me scum to begin with and why am I scummier than those on those wagons, as I was on only Tasky/urself and voted gandalf (note I voted RC at one point becuase I accidently confused a post he made to one gandalf did. I unvoted RC when I admitted my logic was wrong when applied to RC's post, then voted gandalf when I realized I meant his post and not RC's)

Also, gandalf died as a survivor, why do you keep saying he's town?
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Post Post #488 (ISO) » Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:01 pm

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I doubt it wrote:So you thought he was active-lurking scum all along? I don't get your immediate unvote, then. That you unvoted as soon as RC contributed suggests that you were just wagoning onto him so he would be forced to contribute, yet now you're saying he's scummy for active lurking? Why did you unvote your best suspect just because he made an ISO? Doesn't make much sense to me.
I originally thought he was just active lurking, and since he said he wouldn't even
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Since then, he's continued obviously just reading the last post in the thread before replying, trying to slip under the radar and constantly making excuses as to why he didn't post that would overall take longer to write than an actual post. Even worse, he's recently posted questions that do not help the discussion at all, while continually active lurking, turning my read on him from just "townie playing a game" to "scum trying to avoid having to actually post content."

(continued with my analysis and vote)
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Post Post #489 (ISO) » Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:01 pm

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When making reads, I really hate meta, so I will just take this game in isolation as playstyles change. Of the three main wagons, nothing's going to change with RC, and even though he is very scummy, lynching him won't give any information to go on when tomorrow dawns, and hopefully if we have a vig he gets killed so we don't have to waste a lynch.

In terms of Alpha Werewolf/Rhinox, I don't see any actual opinions being formed anywhere, other than a discussion of semantics in 406 that reads like WIFOM to me. I still can't wrap my mind around the reason for Alpha Werewolf voting right before replacing out, but overall he's not as scummy or as useful a lynch as the final wagonee, SharkFinn, who has actually had votes this game that will provide useful analysis.

He begins by instantly wagoning on Tasky using the vague "double standards" reasoning, then a minute later pushes for his quick lynch. Early on Day 2, it seems he is trying to get people to jump on the Tasky-wagon and hopefully get a quicklynch so we won't have any information heading into D2, which he immediately gets gandalf5166 to follow on. Even though he was pushing for the lynch, he then instantly started moving away, stating that he'd move off the wagon after he hears from Tasky in Iso2, and that he already had intentions to jump off the wagon if it got closer, even trying to deflect over to Longingtown for explanation as to why the wagon started.
He only had a single vote on him at that point, yet instantly started deflecting when the slightest question was asked of him. Someone wants to distance himself from any and all possibility of being viewed as scum. Hello, scum.


In Iso5, he opens up a can of WIFOM with his "Personally, I'd rather be on the Prob Town list, but that's just a sane villager PoV", in addition to calling Zang out for pinging players as he's currently bandwagon jumping. After another vote on by Karma, he backs off instantaneously again in Iso8, but leaves open the possibility of jumping back on if the bandwagon starts getting rolling.

His information in his read on gandalf in Iso11 is mostly craplogic, specifically his first four points, including his "BIG SCUM READ!!!". Enlighten me if I'm being dense here, but how is someone reacting to a neutral tell with faux-sadness such an obvious scumtell?

On day 2, he continues his tunneling even though Gandalf died trying to start back up his wagon. I find this aspect of this post scummier than the voting for dead people that others have pointed out. He doesn't even bother analyzing what the flip means or even what the hammer tells us, he just goes back to his previous information, possibly because he didn't get anyone countering his analysis, and goes back to trying to hide once he realizes he voted a dead neutral. The Preemptive FOS he gives in Iso15 is
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pointless, putting an FOS on Karma only if RC flips scum. He then flips again, stating that RC is leaning on twn in his very next post, following CKD, and that the RC wagon isn't great in 17, though he FOSed RC previously.

In 21-23, he states that Empking is scum just because he's lurking, even though there "isn't much here overall to work with". Just the fact that he's lurking along with two gut votes does not make a valid reason to vote someone D2. There is much more information and many more players that are scummier that are more deserving of a vote. He finally flips again to either Tasky or RC, yet in his re-read he switches his final decision to Rhinox since it was getting to be a popular wagon again.

Overall, SharkFinn has given very little useful information of his own, gets overly defensive whenever someone votes him or disagrees with him (continuing even with his most recent 487) and keeps jumping from bandwagon to bandwagon based on popularity. He is by far the most useful lynch today.

tl;dr: VOTE: SharkFinn as it will give us the most information after the flip. L-2.

It seems I can't make short posts. Sorry about that.
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Post Post #490 (ISO) » Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:28 pm

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Will claim that I am Professor X, a non-time traveler, with an ability I wish to not share at this time. I am not a VT, but I refuse to claim further.
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Post Post #491 (ISO) » Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:58 pm

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Uh. That sounds like a townie claim to me.

Also, I would like to know why I doubt it likes the case on Rhinox more than SharkFinn's, but is still voting SharkFinn.
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Post Post #492 (ISO) » Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:16 pm

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I'm not going to accept that claim, and I'm buying diginova's reasons.
Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi
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Post Post #493 (ISO) » Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:38 pm

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And remember, the universe has a wonderful sense of humour. The trick is, learning how to take a joke!

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Post Post #494 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:43 am

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Empking wrote:I'm not going to accept that claim, and I'm buying diginova's reasons.
don't make me vig you

vote digi please.
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Post Post #495 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:33 am

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ReaperCharlie wrote:
Empking wrote: vote digi please.
Why?
Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi
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Post Post #496 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:57 am

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?!?! you screwed with the quotes. why?
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Post Post #497 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:10 am

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diginova wrote:
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unvote, vote sharkfin
Please explain why you're switching wagons.

In addition, RC, what is the point of doing setup speculation? What will we gain from this that makes this more worth your time than actually posting the second half of your analysis.
The more I re-read it seemed less likely rc was scum, tasky and SF were on my radar all along. When I get to a pc I will read up the past couple of days. This site goes slower than I am used to so I forgot to check back in
Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.
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Post Post #498 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:30 am

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Empking wrote:
ReaperCharlie wrote:
Empking wrote: vote digi please.
Why?
oh btw here's your answer:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p2399309
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Post Post #499 (ISO) » Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:24 am

Post by curiouskarmadog »

if you decided to claim at -2, you need to finish the claim, if you are a town power role, and are close to dying anyway, why not claim fully, it might by you some time....there is no reason not to claim (unless you are a supersaint i guess)...

I still dont buy this wagon....
NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE

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