Open 226: Big Love - Game over! Town wins!

[Switz]

@yabba:

Post 478:

@all: What's more imperative, settling this logic debate, or hitting scum?

in other words: lynch from Xite/millar in the hopes that a liar is scum, or go off the board and hit [chihuahua, or whoever you suspect]? Frankly, I'd rather untangle this knot now instead of endgame and opt for the former. Maybe we conclude they're both Town. Will analyze more later.

Post 528:

Okay, so, regardless of who else I think is scummy—which will come shortly after this—I think our lynch today needs to be either Xite, Millar, or Chi. So let’s look at them separately, and consider the possibilities if we lynch them.

You were technically right in saying that I was the only one who specifically said that our lynch needed to be one of Xite, Millar, and Chi. But the three of them were the only ones being seriously considered anyways, and you yourself expressed the same sentiment I did--except with less committment.

Now I'm really curious as to why you're opposed to a Shattered case. I think I'm going to have to take a closer look at you shortly.

FoS: yabba

[Mr.Sandman]

A note to people who wonder why I don't shoot off votes willy-nilly - A vote (To me) means that I believe that there is a good chance the person I am voting for is scum and that I think that the information gained from their death warrants the lynch.
I refuse to impulse vote (Outside of RVS, even though I also dislike that), as it just says to me that people are flip-flopping and flailing to seem like an aggressive town, which is one of the reasons Don is appearing to be the most DANGEROUS scum possibility that we could have at this time.

Case to come on how I think Don is a sacrificial scum.

P.S.
Shattered I think is just an idiot, I mean, we wrote off Millar for almost the same thing, now, I am not forgetting Millar, nor do I consider his "Safe", but I still think that Shattered is a misguided townie, trying desperately to help the town.

Case to come on why I think Shattered is an

idiot

misguided townie.

Case to come on why I think Mr. Sandman might be Don's lover.

Explanations to the following questions to come:

Who are you suspicious of from day 1? (Sandman)

How, if I were to be don's lover, can I be the most suspicious from day 1?

SV and millar are completely different. Millar caused confusion. SV slunk along and tried to quietly manipulate things.

And if I'm your most suspicious person from day 1, why are you making a case on why Xite should be lynched when Xite's replacement hadn't even spoken by that point?

I disagree with a don lynch. I think he looks more town than anything from day 1.

Wacka's terrible logic and contrived arguments have moved him fairly high on my list of suspects right now.

Zajnet is doing nothing to push the cases on the two people he wants to lynch. All he's doing is prod dodging and trying to look active with his 'let's lynch such and such' 'why isn't everyone voting such and such yet' posts.

[Zajnet]

Zajnet is doing nothing to push the cases on the two people he wants to lynch. All he's doing is prod dodging and trying to look active with his 'let's lynch such and such' 'why isn't everyone voting such and such yet' posts.

That's because I'm lazy

I'll post a more drawn out case soon, right now I have a ton of stuff to do in the meat-space.

[Mr.Sandman]

Hmm

[Robocopter87]

Wow, Sandman, thats deep.

[ZeroFang]

I agree, Mareep.

[Mr.Sandman]

Sorry. I realise that sometimes my thoughts are so deep, the words which would express them haven't been invented yet. I'll have to try harder

[Robocopter87]

Thats why they have pictures, they say pictures are worth 1 thousand words. So you could've just done,

[Enigma]

Pft, the vote is the only power townies have. Try using it!

I'm pretty sure that gaining knowledge is much more powerful than just voting at this time. Curious how you seem to be so active in all your other games yet surprisingly inactive in this one. An early vote on day 2, reasons not provided then this game gets neglected by you when noone seemed to share your suspicions on don. Is this another one of your metas? Mafia meta even.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Day Two Vote Count #2

• Enigma (DavidParker) 1 L-8
  Mr.Sandman (don_johnson) 1 L-8
  Robocopter87 (mallowgeno) 1 L-8
  Shattered Viewpoint (Switz, Mr.Sandman, smashbro_of_the_SSS, Zajnet, Sanxion) 5 L-4
  Zajnet (yabbaguy) 1 L-8

Not voting: Enigma, millar13, Muthaa, Robocopter87, Shattered Viewpoint, Wacka Alpaca, ZeroFang

With 16 alive, 9 votes are required for a lynch.

V/LA:

Activity Check!

Prods were ansered with posts. Yay!

Prod Count:

chihuahua0, Muthaa, Pittbunny, Reverse Simplicity, Shattered Viewpoint, smashbro_of_the_SSS, youngminii - 1

Deadline for Day Two is Wednesday, August 11th at 8pm UK time.

[mallowgeno]

After reading SV in ISO, I agree that he seems scummy. Since I'm not getting anyone to support my Robo case, I guess I'll just have to change to SV for now. I still feel that Robo is scummy.

Vote SV

[yabbaguy]

@Switz: I'll give you one thing, I do think that after a reread SV is a much more viably scummy person, and frankly he hasn't changed much. But when I focused in on Xite/millar, there was actually concrete logic, so I thought, with Xite and millar claiming Lovers. I hadn't banked on the fact that TWO people were trying to pull asinine Town gambits (millar claimed the wrong Lover). When you focused in on the trio, it was after the fact, so there wasn't a concrete logical reason to settle in on them. By asking that question, you focused all the attention on them. Sure, one scum was on there. I just thought the other two were mislynches being pushed. Hell, you haven't even mentioned Xite and millar as of recently, are they still scummy to you?

I don't see how my case is contrived to the point of scumminess. I think it makes perfect sense.

@Zajnet: Why do

you

believe SV is scummy, assuming you still do?

@mallow: I'm having a look at your robo case, and it definitely puts him in speculative range, but the tells aren't ironclad for me. I think wishy-washy mentality isn't indicative of scum in this case because millar was such a weirdo that it probably made Robo's mind spin (for one).

[don_johnson]

unvote, vote: sv

L-2. may as well move this towards a claim. noone hammer please. i am still trying to find the time to reread a bit. still waiting on a response from wackjob as well.

[Switz]

@Switz: I'll give you one thing, I do think that after a reread SV is a much more viably scummy person, and frankly he hasn't changed much. But when I focused in on Xite/millar, there was actually concrete logic, so I thought, with Xite and millar claiming Lovers. I hadn't banked on the fact that TWO people were trying to pull asinine Town gambits (millar claimed the wrong Lover). When you focused in on the trio, it was after the fact, so there wasn't a concrete logical reason to settle in on them. By asking that question, you focused all the attention on them. Sure, one scum was on there. I just thought the other two were mislynches being pushed. Hell, you haven't even mentioned Xite and millar as of recently, are they still scummy to you?

Xite was replaced by Mallow, who I've been questioning since he began posting. And yes, I think he is still scummy, both in the past as Xite and now as Mallow. But at the beginning of the day, without a replacement for Xite, SV was a much higher priority.

And Millar's scumminess has gone down for me, in reflection. There are lots of better scum candidates out there.

[Zajnet]

I don't see any way, no way, no how, that Fidelis is town. Shush now.

Mostly this.

[Wacka Alpaca]

A quick note, Sandman, you aren't my most suspicious from D1, you ASKED me that question.

Your name is there so I can say "Sandman, the person who I thought was most suspicious day one was..."
Not
"The person who I thought was most suspicious day one was Sandman"

I hope that clears that up, the only thing I'm not liking about you is your avatar (Never liked the american comedy of family guy)

[Mr.Sandman]

A quick note, Sandman, you aren't my most suspicious from D1, you ASKED me that question.

Your name is there so I can say "Sandman, the person who I thought was most suspicious day one was..."
Not
"The person who I thought was most suspicious day one was Sandman"

I hope that clears that up, the only thing I'm not liking about you is your avatar (Never liked the american comedy of family guy)

Accepted. I misunderstood.

[millar13]

unvote, vote: sv

L-2. may as well move this towards a claim. noone hammer please. i am still trying to find the time to reread a bit. still waiting on a response from wackjob as well.

this reasoning and logic

Vote: Sv

[Robocopter87]

Wow, Millar, you add so much.

[Shattered Viewpoint]

I have failed. My deepest apologies. Go Scum!!

Vote: Shattered Viewpoint

[yabbaguy]

\o/

[yabbaguy]

But ugh, I should've realized his play in this game was miles off his Town meta. :\

Sorry Switz, you were dead right to keep at it.

[Robocopter87]

Don't know if he needs one more but,

unvote vote SV

Wow.

[Switz]

Hell f***ing yeah.

I'm sure there's more I could say about things since my last post, but I'll leave it for D3.

[Muthaa]

Crap, shouldn't have been a lazy bastard.