NY 117: The Vanillaside (Game over)

[Socrates]

Scum will certainly try to redirect people to me, but that would involve targeting me, which involves them losing their redirector, Korts.

Seriously, me dying is a stupid idea.

Somebody didn't read the rules.

[SpyreX]

Well then lets just lynch scum and that isn't a worry now is it?

THAT SAID: ELLIIIIIII

If nacho AND vezo are on your leftovers why nacho OVER vezo. Especially with some of the votes that jumped that way (MPR I'M LOOKIN AT YOU)

[Ellibereth]

I DON'T REALLY CARE WHICH ONE.
BUT I TOTALLY AGREED WITH VEZO'S ANTI-WALL READINGNESS.
AND I KNOW THAT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ALIGNMENT.
BUT I'M BIASED THAT WAY.
YOU WANT ME SWITCH?
Also mehplus is up there on the town list too.

[SpyreX]

We can quibble about MPR later after others are dead.

I just loathe the "ohh I didn't read and happened to jump on a wagon for spurious reading and LO AND BEHOLD my reading justified my vote and now I go away again".

Loathe in the SCUMS BE HERE sense.

[DemonHybrid]

I really don't like DemonHybrid's post 87. What little of the post is actually spent on answering the question in reply to which the whole was apparently written is concerned with SSBF's setup speculation, which was well-reasoned as far as I can see. Nor can I see scum motives that DemonHybrid is ascribing to the bolded sections. Seems like a bad attempt at painting someone black. I somewhat agree with the target, but not with the particular reasoning--why not attack me, for instance, when I invited that speculation you so harshly attack?

I believe this is the invitation of the speculation that you meant.

As for Reck getting vigged: no. If Reck is to die by the town's hands, he will be lynched, no way are we going to vanillize a town killing role. I think this discussion can be fruitful--Reck's death means robbing the scum of being able to fuck with our heads, but also the town of a confirmed innocent down the line. Now, I think having a confirmed innocent in the endgame is very valuable, but will the scum keep him around for that long? Discuss.

While I disagree and ultimately feel that a confirmed townie should -never- be targeted for a lynch regardless of the situation, I thought SSBF's reply was scummy simply because of his wording. It feels like he's speaking for the scum, something which I find to be somewhat of a slip.

"@Korts: Keeping xRECKONERx alive until endgame will be a very daunting task to do. We do not want to lynch him for sure and we obviously cannot afford him to be NK'd. With no protection role for the town, scum is going to be hard-pressed to keep him around, especially if he were to give his all to help the town. Prehaps him being completely useless until endgame would help his chance of survival, as scums like useless townies, but we all know how much we hate useless confirmed townies."

Notice the difference in tone. It's like comparing apples to oranges. These sentences specifically:

Korts: "Reck's death means robbing the scum of being able to fuck with our heads, but also the town of a confirmed innocent down the line."
SSBF: "With no protection role for the town, scum is going to be hard-pressed to keep him around, especially if he were to give his all to help the town."

I see opening all options as a town way of viewing a problem like this, and while I don't agree with his lynch in the least, the underlying tone is what sets you and SSBF apart (and what makes SSBF worthy of pressuring). SSBF is using forced speculation. You have options open to press for information, which is less speculation and more of a way to start discussion...and more information is what we need at the moment.

But I don't want to see anyone pushing Reck's lynch in the least. If Reck gets lynched, that's just one missed opportunity to lynch scum. Let's just take the days as they come regarding this Reck speculation.

[Nachomamma8]

Voted for DH originally because his case on SSBF was stretching like hell (setup speculation is a scumtell? wanting the game to be over in two days through a combo of correctly lynching/vigging scum is a scumtell), and because post #97 is a bunch of unexplained crap that have pretty much nothing to do with the original reasons, and gives off the vibe that he wants us to think that he put way more thought into the SSBF case than he really did. Don't like how he's afraid to attack anyone seriously after the SSBF incident (I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt)

Vezo doesn't make sense to me. Too lazy to read at first (I understand), too lazy to make a real case (I understand), so bored decides to actually read the thread (okay, whatever), but still too lazy to give one reason (hmmm?).

Korts: I don't agree with lynching reck. Doesn't make sense to me at all. We'll be fine if we remember that all PR claims should be taken with a grain of salt, breadcrumbs shouldn't be dropped this game, and no matter how annoying reck gets, we can't vig him.

[Hoopla]

Day 1, Vote Count #4

With fourteen alive, it takes

8

votes to lynch. Deadline is schedueled for 22:00 GMT, August 16th <Countdown>.

Super Smash Bros Fan -

3

(DemonHybrid, RayFrost, xRECKONERx)

vezokpiraka -

3

(SpyreX, Socrates, Seraphim)

Nachomamma8 -

3

(Korts, MehPlusRawr, Ellibereth)

DemonHybrid -

2

(Nachomamma8, vezokpiraka)

MehPlusRawr -

1

(Super Smash Bros Fan)

Korts -

1

(Incognito)

Not voting -

1

(Jack*)

*Asterix denotes unconfirmed players

[Nachomamma8]

Lazy as hell Elli is probably town, by the way.

[xRECKONERx]

Scum will certainly try to redirect people to me, but that would involve targeting me, which involves them losing their redirector, Korts.

Seriously, me dying is a stupid idea.

Somebody didn't read the rules.

wut

[RayFrost]

Scum will certainly try to redirect people to me, but that would involve targeting me, which involves them losing their redirector, Korts.

Seriously, me dying is a stupid idea.

Actually, the redirection doesn't count as a target, and the mafioso that does it is not vannilia'ed. I talked with hoopla about it when I signed up.

[xRECKONERx]

Oh. Fuck.

Goddammit.

Well I still doubt I'm a hazard.

[RayFrost]

Well, it's definitely not worth lynching you for. It's just a waste of a lynch.

[vezokpiraka]

Yay. I am not dead.
Let's get scum DH dead.
He is trying so hard to make people look scummy. Clasic scum.

[MehPlusRawr]

Yay. I am not dead.
Let's get scum DH dead.
He is trying so hard to make people look scummy. Clasic scum.

Hurrr.



I was voting Nacho over Vezo because Nacho was the first name that stood out when I read over the playerlist, as stated before. I don't mind a vezo wagon either.

[Ellibereth]

UNVOTE, VOTE VEZO

[Seraphim]

^ This is good posting.

[Socrates]

Vezo:

Is anyone else scum? Any town reads? Which post, specifically, made you think Demon Hybrid is scum?

[vezokpiraka]

All of DH posts are scummy.

Yeah. Elli is town. That's all for now.

[Seraphim]

All of DH posts are scummy.

Yeah. Elli is town. That's all for now.

Not good enough. You still have provided no reasoning, however weak. WHY is DH scummy? HOW are his posts scummy?

This scum obviously needs more pressure and therefore more votes.

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

Unvote, Vote: vezokpiraka

I still think that MehPlusRawr is suspicious, due to earlier posts, but he has been playing a more pro-town game recently.

vezokpiraka is a lot worse. He's currently putting forth the minimal effort possible, showing a lack of care for the game. His response to pressure is much worse then MehPlusRawr's, who at least put forth effort toward defending himself. He has still not answer Socrates's question on who else is scum.

[SpyreX]

DEAR VIG:

REMEMBER THIS PAGE. I CAN SAY NO MORE. I BELIEVE IN YOU.

(P.S. we need to kill the redirector asap tia)

[SpyreX]

And with that said lets party hard on this wagon yeee-haw

[Seraphim]

Where the fuck is Jack?

[xRECKONERx]

^ This is good posting.

This is good posting.

[Seraphim]

^ This is good posting.

This is good posting.

Hey, Mr. Confirmed Town, get on the Vezok wagon already.