Newbie 985 Game over

[Kalofer]

Well Abe, in reality it is possible that I am scum and through ATE I am trying to convince you otherwise, Although that is not the case I'm happy it's working.
The gut feeling was what drove me to vote for you Zach because as I said, I consider Parker to be using a certain play style and for that reason I did not find him so suspicious and worthy of a vote. You on the other hand I do, mainly because of your carefulness, you have been a lot more subtle, you also pushed for a lynch on David and a lynch on me, yet then after so much quarreling with David you say you have a feeling he's town...wtf? Now it's true that I have the same feeling but I didn't argue with someone the majority of my posts, push for their lynch and then say "I think he's actually town". Then you accuse me of not scumhunting even though I would like to believe that I did scumhunt, by voicing my suspicions, not by voting, why should scumhunting only be restricted to voting. Then you start dealing with absolutes, saying I'm definitely scum, that I have claimed to be scum and that for that reason there's no point in wasting time and I should be lynched immediately (by all means if everyone reading this agrees with him, lynch me). You could say that this is an OMGUS vote, in fact I'm admitting that it is, but I believe it is a well justified OMGUS.

[Kalofer]

And it is because of that subtlety that I find you scummier than Fake.

[Zachrulez]

Subtlety. There's nothing subtle about anything I've done.

[Zachrulez]

EBWOP: Subtlety? There's nothing subtle about anything I've done.

[Zachrulez]

Also, OMGUS is scummy.

[Zachrulez]

Well Abe, in reality it is possible that I am scum and through ATE I am trying to convince you otherwise, Although that is not the case I'm happy it's working.
The gut feeling was what drove me to vote for you Zach because as I said, I consider Parker to be using a certain play style and for that reason I did not find him so suspicious and worthy of a vote.

But you stated earlier you found him suspicious...

You on the other hand I do, mainly because of your carefulness, you have been a lot more subtle, you also pushed for a lynch on David and a lynch on me, yet then after so much quarreling with David you say you have a feeling he's town...wtf?

This is scummy why? Townies change their mind. Parker's recent reactions have me reviewing that assessment. (I think it could be as simple as both of you being scum.)

Now it's true that I have the same feeling but I didn't argue with someone the majority of my posts, push for their lynch and then say "I think he's actually town".

So?

Then you accuse me of not scumhunting even though I would like to believe that I did scumhunt, by voicing my suspicions, not by voting, why should scumhunting only be restricted to voting

Voting is the stongest way to voice your suspicions, it's also the one thing that is most visible when players review the game in later day phases. Voting also gets you noticed, so there is scum motivation in not using your vote much in order to avoid notice. I have seen scum do that before.

Then you start dealing with absolutes, saying I'm definitely scum,

I did? Where?

Why are you not holding Parker to the same standard who declared me scum with 100% certainty? (That sure as hell is an absolute if I've ever seen one.)

that I have claimed to be scum and that for that reason there's no point in wasting time and I should be lynched immediately (by all means if everyone reading this agrees with him, lynch me).

That is the way I interpret those posts.

You could say that this is an OMGUS vote, in fact I'm admitting that it is, but I believe it is a well justified OMGUS.

Here we cut to the heart of the reasoning for his vote.

[FakeGod]

My gut still says Kalofer is town. I'm no psychology genius, but the only time I've ever seen a mafia player spaz like that (it was IRL) was when we were about to kill him, and he never got quiet before. I think kalofer's reaction is very typical of a town-role. He quieted down and lost confidence, then finally broke and said fine, if you're going to lynch me be done with it. I still find that not very suspicious.
My vote has no purpose on Nashi anymore, sorry guys, the reason I've been lurking was my birthday was yesterday and we had a big family party on sunday. that took a lot of cleaning over the weekend but I should have everything together now.

Unvote: NashiNashi

Anyway, I think my vote is going to return to VOTE: FakeGod
FakeGod, what do you think of Kalofer's reaction to being at L-2? Do you still find him scummy? Why?

I don't know man I just almost unvoted and voted tvell after he unvoted me.

But Kalofer coming in and telling us that it's possible that he is scum and could be using atE to get out of a tight spot.......

(shakes head) I'm keeping my vote where it is for now.

@Kalofer: why so worried that you might be lynched? Granted, You're at L-2, but with the given amount of time, no one's probably going to quick hammer you. And if your sacrifice outs one scum, your play (given this setup) would be considered awesome.

[Kalofer]

I'm not really worried about getting lynched at all, lynch me I don't care, but if you're town you'll be disappointed that's all I'm saying. What i said about AtE leads to WIFOM if I try to explain it. Yup Zach you're right, townies do change their minds, as you have seen I changed my mind in voting for Fake and voted for you. And why are OMGUS votes scummy? I justified my vote, so why is it still scummy. And yes I did find parker suspicious but at most for an FoS not for a vote and that thing about the 100% I consider a joke, there you have it those are my answers.

[Excedrin]

Vote Count

FakeGod (2): NashiNashi, Abe27342
Zachrulez (2): DavidParker, Kalofer
Abe27342 (1): Zombeh-Pug
Kalofer (3): Nikanor, Zachrulez, FakeGod

not voting: tvellalott
alive: 9 majority: 5

[DavidParker]

I should start a wiki page "David Parker's Magic 8 Ball-Like Scum Tells"

1. Multi-quoting.
Lynch anyone who multi-quotes. Especially if they aren't responding to multiple questions. If it is just multiple counter-remarks, they are definitely scum.

Zach is our first scum.

[Zachrulez]

I should start a wiki page "David Parker's Magic 8 Ball-Like Scum Tells"

1. Multi-quoting.
Lynch anyone who multi-quotes. Especially if they aren't responding to multiple questions. If it is just multiple counter-remarks, they are definitely scum.

Zach is our first scum.

Well that's a new one at least. (I've never seen anyone ever try to argue that multi-quoting is scummy with a straight face.)

[Zachrulez]

I'm not really worried about getting lynched at all, lynch me I don't care, but if you're town you'll be disappointed that's all I'm saying. What i said about AtE leads to WIFOM if I try to explain it. Yup Zach you're right, townies do change their minds, as you have seen I changed my mind in voting for Fake and voted for you. And why are OMGUS votes scummy? I justified my vote, so why is it still scummy. And yes I did find parker suspicious but at most for an FoS not for a vote and that thing about the 100% I consider a joke, there you have it those are my answers.

Because the source of your suspicion is the fact that I'm voting for you, which is a horrible (and lazy) foundation to build suspicion on.

[Zachrulez]

Also after 259, I'm getting this big urge to slap my vote back on Parker. His categorical dismissal of multi-quoting as scummy also just so happens to let him brush aside any points I happened to make in my posts. EXTREMELY scummy.

[Kalofer]

Noooo the source of the suspicion is what I stated above, the fact that you're voting for me is an addition.

[Zachrulez]

Then why call it an OMGUS vote?

[Zachrulez]

Voting for a player that happens to be voting for you (If you find the intent behind their place scummy.) is not OMGUS.

If a large part of your case is the fact that the player is voting you (Or if it makes you suspicious of that player all of the sudden.) then it is OMGUS.

[Kalofer]

Oh ok, sorry then it's not OMGUS.

[Zombeh-Pug]

Looks like my random pressure vote for Abe did nothing. So I'll

Unvote

It also looks like after giving kalofer the benefit of the doubt he seems newb town he decides to suggest this:

in reality it is possible that I am scum and through ATE I am trying to convince you otherwise

I mean, what were you honestly hoping to accomplish by suggesting that for yourself?

[tvellalott]

Page 1:
Nikanor VOTES Abe27342

Page 2:
Zachrulez VOTES Abe27342
DavidParker VOTES Zachrulez
tvellalott VOTES Zombeh-Pug
Kalofer VOTES FakeGod
Abe27342 VOTES Zachrulez
Zombeh-Pug VOTES DavidParker
Abe27342 UNVOTES
DavidParker VOTES Zombeh-Pug


Page 3:
FakeGod VOTES Kalofer
Nikanor UNVOTES
Abe27342 VOTES NashiNashi
FakeGod UNVOTES
FakeGod VOTES Abe27342
Abe27342 UNVOTES

Page 4:
tvellalott UNVOTES
DavidParker VOTES tvellalott
Zachrulez VOTES tvellalott

Page 5:
Nikanor VOTES FakeGod
Abe27342 VOTES FakeGod
Zachrulez UNVOTES

Page 6:
tvellalott VOTES DavidParker
Nikanor UNVOTES
Nikanor VOTES Kalofer

Page 7:
NashiNashi VOTES FakeGod
DavidParker VOTES No Lynch
Zachrulez VOTES DavidParker
DavidParker VOTES Zachrulez

Page 8:
Abe27342 UNVOTES
Abe27342 VOTES NashiNashi
Zachrulez UNVOTES
Zachrulez VOTES Kalofer
Zombeh-Pug VOTES Abe27342
FakeGod UNVOTES
FakeGod VOTES Kalofer
tvellalott UNVOTES
tvellalott VOTES Kalofer
tvellalott UNVOTES

Page 9:
Noone VOTES or UNVOTES

Page 10:
tvellalott VOTES FakeGod
tvellalott UNVOTES
Kalofer UNVOTES
Kalofer VOTES Zachrulez
Abe27342 UNVOTES
Abe27342 VOTES FakeGod

After looking over our voting, I cannot help but notice that:
Zachrulez has never made an original vote.
FakeGod was the third person to vote for Kalofer.

After looking over the chat so far, coupled with the voting, I'm going to put a rank of scumminess on everyone.

NashiNashi

- Somewhat scummy: Please get more involved. I would peg you as newb scum flying under the radar at the moment.

Abe27342

- Probably townie: Doesn't get involved in bandwagons, active in discussion. Seems to deal well with some voting pressure.

DavidParker

- Almost certainly townie: I got the wrong idea about you David, I think you're probably pushing for discussion more than anyone.

Kalofer

- Almost certainly newb townie: If you're scum, you've got me fooled. Don't panic so much under pressure.

Zombeh-Pug

- Somewhat scummy: I think you might be flying under the radar too. You're involved in the attempted lynch of Kalofer, who I am pretty certain is innocent.

Nikanor

- Might be townie: I'm not sure about you. You're active in discussion and voting, but you're also on the Kalofer bandwagon... I'm watching you.

Zachrulez

- Somewhat scummy: You seem to want to lynch someone, anyone.

FakeGod

- Somewhat scummy: Third on the bandwagon is classic sign of scum... You're playing a good chat game though. I'm mildly suspicious.
Based on all of this, I

VOTE Zachrulez

That's it. Analyse away.

[Zachrulez]

How exactly is it that I want to lynch anyone?

[Zachrulez]

FakeGod

- Somewhat scummy: Third on the bandwagon is classic sign of scum... You're playing a good chat game though. I'm mildly suspicious.
Based on all of this, I

VOTE Zachrulez

That's it. Analyse away.

Third on bandwagon is classic sign of scum huh?

Ohhhhhh haaaaaay.

[tvellalott]

I'm not bandwagoning. I would have voted for you regardless of how many votes you had. FakeGod, who I also find suspicious, also already has two votes, so voting for either of you would have been a third vote.
As for "How exactly is it that I want to lynch anyone": I am merely making an observation based on your voting. This early in the game I'm really clutching at straws. As I made clear in my analysis, I don't find anyone more than "somewhat suspicious"...

[Kalofer]

Zombeh, to your irrelevant question I will make the honest but unfortunately dumb answer, it was to primarily add more fuel to confusion, to sate that which I bet was going on in your heads when you read it , and to test how much you I've managed to convince you I'm a townie. I won't do it again, because it was stupid...sorry.

[Nikanor]

Kalofer - Almost certainly newb townie: If you're scum, you've got me fooled. Don't panic so much under pressure.

Now is the time to bus, not coach.

[tvellalott]

How do I bus someone?