Mini 990: YuGiOh! The Abridged Mafia - (OVER)

[Fishythefish]

unvote

Thinking.

ATTENTION DUELISTS

MY HAIR WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THE VOTECOUNT!

AlmasterGM (0) -
Brandi (0) -
bv310 (0) -
charter (0) -
FakeGod (1) - bv310
Fishythefish (0) -
InflatablePie (3) - Jarti Brandi Charter
Jarti (0) -
MaxMouse (1) - AlmasterGM
Pomegranate (2) - InflatablePie FakeGod

10 alive, 6 to lynch

[FakeGod]

I'm Mokuba Kaiba, TOWN Hostage. Even though my big brother Seto is a dick (putting me in his video game as a girl for example), he's still my brother and he often saves me from whoever kidnaps me (which happens almost every other episode). So I'm trying to find him and thank him for always rescuing me, even if he doesn't seem to care. Each night, I can scan one player to find out if they're my big brother or not. I don't know my big brother's alignment or role though, so I guess this scan is useless: MaxMouse is not my big brother. It was a tossup between him and Kit for their early posts in the RVS.

so here's Pie's claim....

I can easily see Pie making this up trying to out the Seto. I'm all the more suspicious because there are holes in this claim that he didn't explain. (i.e. what happens when he finds Seto? why is his role named Hostage?), and wouldn't it make more sense for Seto to be looking for Mokuba? especially if Mokuba is taken "hostage"....

[FakeGod]

Anyway, this is why I'm kind of doubting FG's claim, as it seems odd to have two sibling-esque roles in the same game...

Are you saying that when you do find Seto, you and him become (rolewise) siblings?

[FakeGod]

oops pressed submit instead of preview

EBWOP: because your role isn't really a "sibling" but rather a "name cop" (?)

[MaxMouse]

Mod: V/LA a few days, the power supply unit on my computer literally exploded. I'm posting from what little comp access I have. If I can't get this fixed today it'll likely be tomorrow.

[AlmasterGM]

Fakeclaim is fake.

Kill.

[FakeGod]

I would prefer Pie to come and answer the questions I asked him, but since Fishy unvoted,

Unvote, Vote: InflatablePie

.

[Fishythefish]

I don't think that claim is by any means obviously fake. Funnily enough, I recently received a role where I was a sister, looking for a brother for an unspecified outcome (in that case, we became masons when I found him), so I find it perfectly plausible. I'd be inclined to say Seto should claim at this point. If IPie is a lying scum name cop, he must know who Seto is anyway, and it would be good to know if Seto's role PM has any reference to IPie's character in it.

[FakeGod]

I'd be inclined to say Seto should claim at this point. If IPie is a lying scum name cop, he must know who Seto is anyway, and it would be good to know if Seto's role PM has any reference to IPie's character in it.

whoa, wait a sec. I think Seto should keep his mouth shut, unless his role PM has

specific

reference to IPie's character in it.

It's pretty clear that Pie doesn't know who Seto is, because if Pie is a lying scum and knew who Seto was, then why would Piefakeclaim in such a way where he asks Seto to step forward? To share his knowledge of who Seto is with the town? Probably not.

[Fishythefish]

But if Pie is lying scum, what is his role here? The only sensible one that I can think of is name cop; in which case he knows who Seto is anyway. I suppose he could have a parallel role to the one he's claiming, in which something good happens for the scum if he finds Seto.

So, the likely cases AFAIC:
1. Pie is what he claims.
2. Pie is a similar role to what he claims, but scum.
3. Pie is a namecop.
In cases 1 and 3, Seto claiming is good. In case 2, Seto claiming is bad.

My suggestion would be this: Seto claims, and we leave Pie alive for today. He targets Seto tonight. In the morning, he claims what happened. Depending on what this is, it may well be confirmable by Seto, and should tell us more about their alignments.

Seto shouldn't claim until we've thought about the pros and cons.

[AlmasterGM]

If Seto is just a VT or near-equivalent (bad abilities), then this is a good idea. However, in the show, Seto is pretty damn awesome (remember the episode where they make fun of him being able to climb up vertical walls and hack super military intelligence satellites by just pressing buttons). If Seto has a really awesome PR, then we do not want him to claim and die.

So, what I think we should do is have Seto claim ONLY if exposing his role is an acceptable loss.

P.S. As a preempt to Seto can nameclaim but not fullclaim: This isn't an option because if Seto and his brother DO find each other (which they will through nameclaim), there is bound to be some sort of effect, and scum aren't going to let that happen.

[FakeGod]

Only purpose that Seto claiming would be to save Pie, but the point of Mokuba's role (if he is indeed town hostage) is to secretly find Seto and "thank him".

The key word is

secretly

. By the wording, I believe the whole point of this role setup is to let Mokuba find Seto secretly, as in,

not let Seto be discovered by the scum.

The obvious anti-claim mechanism here would be to make Seto valuable, so that if Mokuba publicly claims to find Seto, it will fail because Seto will not risk his role being revealed in public.

I'm opposed to Seto claiming.

[Fishythefish]

So, I pretty much agree with AGM. I think that if Seto wouldn't particularly mind getting nightkilled, he should claim his name but NOT his role unless it's relevant. If he is more valuable than that, he shouldn't claim at all.

That aside, tbh I'm inclined to believe Pie, at least as far as his nameclaim, and that he's looking for Seto. It just doesn't feel like a saving-your-ass scum fakeclaim, and it's semi confirmable if he ever finds Seto. I think that role interaction is worth keeping him alive for.

vote: MM

[InflatablePie]

FG: I do not know what happens, if anything happens, when I find my big brother. I'm guessing the unique flavor/role name is due to me being kidnapped all the time? I don't know Seto's role either, so I don't know if he has a similar ability or not.

When I say sibling-esque, I mean your claim of Joey being a "VT Sibling" with Serenity. Seems odd to have two sets of roles that interact like this.

In addition to Seto possibly being a PR like you guys are discussing, it's also possible that Seto is a scum role or third-party, because my PM said I don't know his alignment either. In that case, my big brother most likely won't claim, as scum-Seto nameclaiming would be too risky with one of the mafia down (since I'm 99.8% sure there's either only one or two mafia left at this point) and TP-Seto would create similar issues for that person's wincon as well. This is a likely scenario IMO,

IF

FG is town-Joey, as I can't see two pairs of "siblings" as town in the same game. /speculation

[Plum]

Guess who's here? ME.

I'll be reading over soon. Might just iso the dead scum first, look for leads, iso them, see where I am, and get a full readthrough done sometime within the next day or so.

[FakeGod]

@Pie: does your role PM specifically says that Seto might be mafia or third-party? and does your role PM refer to you as "Mokuba" or "Mokuba Kaiba"?

[InflatablePie]

1) It says that I don't know my big brother's role or alignment.

2) Mokuba Kaiba.

[FakeGod]

1) It says that I don't know my big brother's role or alignment.

2) Mokuba Kaiba.

huh, that's strange. Because my role PM says I'm "Joey", not "Joey Wheeler".

I'm pretty sure Pie fakeclaimed to lure out Seto.

[InflatablePie]

Most of the characters refer to Seto by his last name, though. No one really refers to Joey as "Wheeler" (well, I think Seto Kaiba does, actually, but more people call him Joey). So I guess this was to avoid confusion or something.

[bv310]

1) It says that I don't know my big brother's role or alignment.

2) Mokuba Kaiba.

huh, that's strange. Because my role PM says I'm "Joey", not "Joey Wheeler".

I'm pretty sure Pie fakeclaimed to lure out Seto.

My PM calls me Duke Devlin, not just Duke.

Also, seeing as we've already had one set of siblings in this game, I don't think a second one all that unlikely.

[Plum]

Look. I'm new here but likely the scum have fakeclaims. It's not likely that the Mod screwed the safeclaims up so badly that we can find the scum based solely on whether or not the guy's last name is included. Just look at the claim: is it plausible? Yes. Could Mokuba Kaiba be a safeclaim? Could be. Could Mokuba actually be scum? Well, it's within the realm of possibility but seems unlikely. Do we want to spare him as a potential lynch candidate based on this claim and his claimed powers (and remember, this probably means running someone else up to claim with all the cons of that)? Or do we not? The guy doesn't know if Seto Kaiba's even Town or scum or whatnot. He doesn't know what, if anything, happens if he finds Kaiba. All he does is find Kaiba. That's not a super special awesome kind of power, if you get my drift. I haven't read Pie or much of the game myself, don't even know if he'd be my top lynch candidate or not, but stick to rational principles in the meantime.

[FakeGod]

@Plum: I was just pointing out the facts from my point of view. My role PM didn't include Joey's last name, and I knew my sibling, Chronopie (Serenity), didn't either. That's why I got suspicious.

I still don't believe Pie's claim.

[AlmasterGM]

My role PM only has my first name as well.

THE PLOT THICKENS.

[charter]

Pie's role ranks up there with some of the most useless roles I've ever seen, and the overwhelming majority of useless roles are poor scum inventions designed to introduce doubt into a lynch while providing little or no accountability.

Plus, the disconnect between being called a "hostage" and his role being a "weak name investigator" is quite extreme, even more so than FakeGod's 'non-talking mason' being a 'vanilla townie'.

I think we either lynch someone who has already claimed, or we massclaim, since at this point about half the town has claimed, HOWEVER, no one has claimed a role that I would mind losing, so that leaves us with lynch someone who has already claimed.

To be honest, this looks like he's a mafia traitor who doesn't know who the mafia are and is a very late attempt at revealing himself to the mafia, or the opposite is true, he knows Seto is a traitor and is fishing for his mafia buddy.

Of course, this throws a rather large wrench in to my Brandi/Pie scumteam, but possible that Brandi didn't claim her real name. Much to think about...

[AlmasterGM]

I like charter's conspiracy theory.

If there are two sets of siblings / related people, it is likely they are on opposite teams.