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Immediately after my first post? Has everyone even posted?Alduskkel wrote:
Well with your sole contribution to the game having been one word I was trying to get more content out of you.Ythan wrote:I'm looking over a lot of setup information before I look at the smaller pool of probably meaningless RVS information. Are you questioning why I'm not contributing to the noise?
Anyone with any role other than vig knows more than that.I don't think there is much to glean from the setup at this point, all we know is that we have VV or VVVV (and either way, we have at least 1 Vigilante).
Doesn't match up.
I eenie meenie miney moed.Ythan wrote:Al, provide a reason for your vote on me.
Good point.
What if someone says they would shoot N0? That lowers the probability that they're a Vig and makes the Mafia's job of finding power roles easier.Ythan wrote:Before anyone answers, does anyone disagree with asking everyone what their policy is on shooting N0 as a vig?
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Insistent on not accompanying his vote with any kind of random vote stage flavor, yet then felt it necessary to question me regarding my brief entry post, despite the fact that some players had not even posted and in fact still have not. Inquisitive but not about anything useful; the same goes for his questioning of yab about the latter's pending explanation of something or other. Dismissive about setup analysis.-
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Bullshit it's active lurking. Not every post devoid of content falls under that heading.Alduskkel wrote:
No, drmy hadn't but the point is that popping in to just say "hey" is active lurking, which is scummier than just not having posted yet.Ythan wrote:
Immediately after my first post? Has everyone even posted?Alduskkel wrote:
Well with your sole contribution to the game having been one word I was trying to get more content out of you.Ythan wrote:I'm looking over a lot of setup information before I look at the smaller pool of probably meaningless RVS information. Are you questioning why I'm not contributing to the noise?
I was not talking about gleaning information through discussion. I said originally that I was looking over setup information before looking over the smaller amount of information in the thread thus far. You then quoted me to say that there was little or nothing to glean, for no reason I can imagine.
And of these people who are not Vigs (or VTs), who is going to talk about it? You're left with power roles and mafia. Neither wants to be outed, so revealing more knowledge of the setup is dumb no matter how you look at it.Ythan wrote:
Anyone with any role other than vig knows more than that.I don't think there is much to glean from the setup at this point, all we know is that we have VV or VVVV (and either way, we have at least 1 Vigilante).
So whatever setup info anyone has aside from knowing that it's VV or VVVV, they aren't going to tell anyone else about it.
You sure are dodgy about the simplest possible question in the game.
I close my eyes and randomly point at the player list.Ythan wrote:
Doesn't match up.
I eenie meenie miney moed.Ythan wrote:Al, provide a reason for your vote on me.
But you wereIf you can tell me what we have to gain from setup analysis right now, be my guest. Also, I find it funny how you're voting me for being inquisitive "but not useful" when, as you pointed out, some people hadn't even posted yet. What makes me scummier? If your answer resembles "active lurking" then head back to the beginning of this post.actuallyactive lurking. That's different fromnotactive lurking, so if you're trying to call me a hypocrite then that will have to wait.
And yet, you have no problem with ekiM's vote. Why?[/quote]Is there supposed to be some contradiction here?[quote='Ythan"]Dr, you're scum. Your hop onto Net is disingenuous and your demand that he provide meta to dispute it as well. Beef, how can you suspect just me OR Net if the basis of your suspicion is that we're both scum?-
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It allows me to egosearch the thread so I can check back in as well as confirming my presence.Alduskkel wrote:
So, what does posting "Hey." accomplish? Tell me that.Ythan wrote:
Bullshit it's active lurking. Not every post devoid of content falls under that heading.Alduskkel wrote:No, drmy hadn't but the point is that popping in to just say "hey" is active lurking, which is scummier than just not having posted yet.
Then why did you question my consideration of the setup in the first place?
Just stating a fact. We now know it's VV or VVVV. What does that tell us? Not much, we know there's a Vigilante and that's pretty much all we know.Ythan wrote:
I was not talking about gleaning information through discussion. I said originally that I was looking over setup information before looking over the smaller amount of information in the thread thus far. You then quoted me to say that there was little or nothing to glean, for no reason I can imagine.Alduskkel wrote:And of these people who are not Vigs (or VTs), who is going to talk about it? You're left with power roles and mafia. Neither wants to be outed, so revealing more knowledge of the setup is dumb no matter how you look at it.
So whatever setup info anyone has aside from knowing that it's VV or VVVV, they aren't going to tell anyone else about it.
And you lied.
I just answered.Ythan wrote:
You sure are dodgy about the simplest possible question in the game.Alduskkel wrote:I close my eyes and randomly point at the player list.
You foolish fool. Do you just not know what active lurking is?
Alright. I accused you of active lurking. You're accusing me of active lurking. See a problem? Plus, your one-word post was way more empty than anything I've posted.Ythan wrote:
But you wereAlduskkel wrote:Also, I find it funny how you're voting me for being inquisitive "but not useful" when, as you pointed out, some people hadn't even posted yet. What makes me scummier? If your answer resembles "active lurking" then head back to the beginning of this post.actuallyactive lurking. That's different fromnotactive lurking, so if you're trying to call me a hypocrite then that will have to wait.
That's not to say you're active lurking now, but, at the time, you were.
Yeah. What's the difference between drmy and ekiM's votes?[/quote]Well I said that Dr's was disingenuous. It's still in the quote pyramid actually.Ythan wrote:
Is there supposed to be some contradiction here?Alduskkel wrote:
And yet, you have no problem with ekiM's vote. Why?Ythan wrote:Dr, you're scum. Your hop onto Net is disingenuous and your demand that he provide meta to dispute it as well.-
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A few actions. That description does not seem to match.Beefster wrote:
Not true. It was purely speculation. I find you both suspicious from a few actions, but don't really have much of a case- thus an FoS.Ythan wrote:Beef, how can you suspect just me OR Net if the basis of your suspicion is that we're both scum?-
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The reason you gave for voting me is a lie. Had i not said that very plainly?Alduskkel wrote:No. What makes you say that?
So youForgive me, but here's a quick wiki definition:
Posting "Hey." sounds like it fits.A subset of lurking is the so-called "active lurking", where a player posts in the thread but without making any contribution to the progress of the game.wereactive lurking. And I dropped one post for my egosearch before I settled down to business. Not the same.
It does not. Read. As genuine. Next.Okay. What makes it disingenuous?
Really, do you not see how what roles may be in the game might narrow down what roles are in the game?Narrow what down?-
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Have I not been clear that I found your feigned inquiries disingenuous?Alduskkel wrote:Secondly, how was I even active lurking before? Asking questions does progress the game.At leastas much as random voting.
Are you some kind of maroon. I think you're lying. How much clearer can I make that for you.Elaborate. It's disingenuous because it doesn't read as genuine? Lame.
It is literally as if you are unable to read because I find myself faced with the exact same questions I have already answered for you numerous times.So. What was the point of that question, hmm?-
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I have answered this. I was speculating on my own about the nature of the setup. It was unwise for me to ask that question but it did not occur to me at the time.The Fonz wrote:Ythan, please answer the question on everyone's lips, which is to explain why you suggested asking everyone if they liked vigging N0 in the first place. What were you trying to achieve?
This is a dumb question. You are either being intentionally obtuse or you are just obtuse. I don't trust your inquiry because I don't trust your inquiry. It's how it reads to me. I will not attempt to further break this down.Alduskkel wrote:And what makes you think that they're disingenuous?
Yep.How about you actually elaborate like I asked?
Incorrect, and this is a poor attempt at painting it so. I have answered each question you have asked. In some cases I answered before you even did so, for the nth time anyway.More question dodging.
This is correct. The most useful point in speculating about night kills, as a townie, is the consideration of whether or not there might be a serial killer present.Netlava wrote:The way I interpreted the question, it was more of a question of whether or not there is an SK in this game. In which case, the lack of 2 kills on N0 means it is less likely for there to be an SK than before. Either way, it should become more apparent after another night, I would think.-
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I've answered the question. I was speculating. Repeating yourself isn't going to make me change my answer.The Fonz wrote:'I was speculating' is not an answer to that question. What did you think the benefits for town were of this kind of speculation? What were you hoping to achieve?
Because I was uncertain of the impact it might have. And his explanation is simply a lie. His explanation of it is very shifty and I can see no good reason not to answer such a simple question properly.yabbaguy wrote:@Ythan: Why did you phrase the question in question as "would it be acceptable to ask..." instead of asking the question outright?
Why is explaining a random vote as eenie-meenie-minie-moe not a reason, no less dodging?
If you want to just drop this one off without explaining it then go on ahead.Alduskkel wrote:That's equivalent to saying I'm scummy because I'm scummy.
I would have repeated what I said in the immediately preceding quote if I didn't overestimate your short term memory.Obviously not an elaboration.
No, you just disregard my answers because you want to keep this going. Or you're dumb. I don't have enough experience with you as a player to say.Hardly. I often have to repeat my questions to you -- such as the above 2, among others.
This is a pathetic attempt at an accusation. Maybe I don't need so much experience with you.And let me be clear when I say that posting "Hey." and then not contributing at all is scummy.
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I did not say he is disingenuous being he's not being genuine, actually. And if you want me to flip out over the fact that I asked an anti-town question, I'm not going to. I acknowledge that it was a mistake. I don't know what you hope to gain by continuing to harp on it. That situation is over, it's not going to develop any further.-
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Semi-open setup means that I don't know what the setup is but I can figure it out, to an extent. I want to know as much as possible. I was speculating in the literal sense. In my head. There is no why. It's what I was doing.The Fonz wrote:blah blah
Nice contribution.Zajnet wrote:The Fonz has a solid point there, Ythan. What were you hoping to accomplish with your question?
Posting a single game where I act this way as scum is a poor attempt to use meta when I do act exactly the same way as town. All you're doing is showing I act a certain way, a certain way everyone knows I act. Not really how to use meta.yabbaguy wrote:I'll stack Ythan's meta of being noticeably more bitter and hostile as scum on top of the laundry list of everything else stated.-
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One, no. I had already posted the answers to his inane questions. That more or less invalidates the next few lines. However, two, even if it didn't, your leap to "hiding something" verges on stupid. You already have a conclusion you like and you're making a wild leap from what evidence you have (although, see point one) to that conclusion. As for your discomfort about my response to his "random" vote, that is almost LESS than ZERO percent relevant somehow. Are you just looking for filler to stretch the post out or do you think that actually helps your case?-
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Does this mean anything or are you just griping?Dry-fit wrote:
You can't tell me what answers I should be satisfied with.Ythan wrote:I find it suspect that in your four posts you have answered no questions that I have not answered, and that if you think I haven't done so satisfactorily you have not followed up yourself. Blatantly hopping onto my wagon with no proper justification.
Are you actually in this game or are you just reading along?drmyshottyizsik wrote:Ok gere goes my thoughts on what has happened lately.
Dry is lurking and being unuseful.
My opinion on beef is that he is dumb and VI'ish
I think the vote count has it right, Ythan and Net are pretty scummy
I think no one should be lynched untill we hear more from Dry Ald and Ekim
I'm going to call bullshit on you actually following it up. Easy active lurking.drmyshottyizsik wrote:yep-
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Prox. I asked Al to provide a reason for his vote because votes should always be accompanied by something. Yes, even in RVS. After that I continued because his response was a lie. I already said why I asked the vig question but thanks for asking again. I didn't vote Dr because I was already voting Al. For the umpteenth fucking time I asked the vig question because I was thinking about the setup. If you call it backtracking when I realized the mistake then I wouldn't care because it's in the past and can't be changed. If you were just reading my posts about Dr then I'm not going to repeat why I found him scummy for you, you JUST read it yourself.-
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He said that he did eenie meenie whatever. When that didn't work he said he closed his eyes and pointed. Both of these contradict each other, apart from being wrong. He just made up reasons afterward when it would be incredibly simple to give whatever random reason he used.
If a large percent of respondents would hold fire on N0 as vigs, or vice versa, it would be indicative of whether there was a vig in a game with only one kill N0.-
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I think it obvious enough that I had read the flip. It's the reason that I asked specifically about vigilantes. As for your comparison to of me to Net, I hardly see the relevance or value of a connection based on my lack surety to his poor reading skills. Apples and oranges.
As for your second post; how many times do I have to repeat this. If you think it's just an excuse then stop obsessing and move on to something else. If you want you vote me over it then do so, but I can't imagine what new information you think you're going to procure by repeating it until you're blue in the face.-
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It was a mistake in one post. Your "can't get the story straight" angle shows that I made a mistake in that post. The rest of my oeuvre is more consistent. What I am not finding consistent is your line of inquiry with any goal that I can envision for you.
As for your generous helping along of Prox with his consideration, do you actually imagine that Al was telling the truth? After the lead up to the post where he eventually explained his vote as quoted in your post?-
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For the umpteenth time; okay, vote me. Then get on with it. We're on page eleven. I'm not going to elaborate my defense because there is nothing to elaborate. I can either wait for you to stop caring or make something up. I'll do the former. If you really want I'll keep reiterating this, but nothing new.-
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I'm not bullying, haranguing, or pressuring you to do anything. I don't know why you're acting like a victim here. I don't know why you're acting like I'm obstructing anything, either. The only possibility I can see is that you are so sure I'm lying that you will consider me to be 'obstructing' your investigation as long as I don't spill my guts about secretly being scum.-
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You foolish fool. There is no line of investigation. You just keep saying "Nope you're lying." Be dissatisfied with my explanation. I care just short of nothing. Cast a vote and hope to see me lynched. If you have an actual question, something that ends in a ? that I can give you a response to, do so, otherwise quit griping.-
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